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 Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:54 am
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1817314,00.html Quote: While every Republican party platform since 1976 has called for a constitutional amendment to ban abortion in all cases, the men who have run on those platforms have been careful to use more measured language. George W. Bush's frequent references to "the culture of life" fit that mold, borrowing a phrase made famous by Pope John Paul II that resonated with social conservatives but sounded innocuous to most pro-choice voters. When pressed in presidential debates, Bush even refused to say whether he wanted to see Roe overturned, choosing instead to talk about the importance of "changing hearts" about abortion. But in order to do that, Keenan and her allies will have to find some way to drive home the point that when it comes to the Republican presidential tradition of obscuring strong pro-life views with moderate rhetoric, John McCain is anything but a maverick. As usual, it's depressing to see this happen. It means that there are more politics involved here than in other place. I find where politics are most present, politicians do little to remedy the issue most. Honestly, all this "appealing" to the abortion-opinionated masses tells me this'll be another election where, if McCain gets in, it'll be another 4 quiet years on the abortion front.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:21 pm
I wasn't aware there were more than, like, 3 pro-choice conservatives on the planet. It boggles my mind that anyone who would have voted for Clinton would now vote for McCain. Unless they're some kind of weird racist Democrat...
s**t, I'M voting for Obama.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:59 pm
If I was going to vote, it would be for Obama (he seems more likely to help people and the country).
I would never vote for McCain or Clinton, pro-choice or not. I don't trust them.
Weither or not pro-choice women and men back him, I do not know. I think most people are supporting Obama at the moment.
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:43 am
La Veuve Zin I wasn't aware there were more than, like, 3 pro-choice conservatives on the planet. It boggles my mind that anyone who would have voted for Clinton would now vote for McCain. Unless they're some kind of weird racist Democrat... s**t, I'M voting for Obama. Well, the way I hear it, there were a lot of people who voted for Bill even though they were nominally Republicans, because of promises he made and never kept. I don't know personally, I didn't pay any attention to politics then, but I've got friends and parents of friends who voted for Clinton and now hate him. And seriously? Pulling the race card? xd Wow. You don't have to be racist to realize that Obama's pretty far left, at least by his voting record, and I'm sure there are Democrats out there who are closer to McCain politically than they are Obama. Myself, I'm voting for Stephen Colbert. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:56 am
I.Am La Veuve Zin I wasn't aware there were more than, like, 3 pro-choice conservatives on the planet. It boggles my mind that anyone who would have voted for Clinton would now vote for McCain. Unless they're some kind of weird racist Democrat... s**t, I'M voting for Obama. Well, the way I hear it, there were a lot of people who voted for Bill even though they were nominally Republicans, because of promises he made and never kept. I don't know personally, I didn't pay any attention to politics then, but I've got friends and parents of friends who voted for Clinton and now hate him. And seriously? Pulling the race card? xd Wow. You don't have to be racist to realize that Obama's pretty far left, at least by his voting record, and I'm sure there are Democrats out there who are closer to McCain politically than they are Obama. Myself, I'm voting for Stephen Colbert. 3nodding When you wake up in the morning... you're voting for Stephen Colbert.
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:50 pm
I.Am La Veuve Zin I wasn't aware there were more than, like, 3 pro-choice conservatives on the planet. It boggles my mind that anyone who would have voted for Clinton would now vote for McCain. Unless they're some kind of weird racist Democrat... s**t, I'M voting for Obama. Well, the way I hear it, there were a lot of people who voted for Bill even though they were nominally Republicans, because of promises he made and never kept. I don't know personally, I didn't pay any attention to politics then, but I've got friends and parents of friends who voted for Clinton and now hate him. And seriously? Pulling the race card? xd Wow. You don't have to be racist to realize that Obama's pretty far left, at least by his voting record, and I'm sure there are Democrats out there who are closer to McCain politically than they are Obama. Myself, I'm voting for Stephen Colbert. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:30 pm
La Veuve Zin I wasn't aware there were more than, like, 3 pro-choice conservatives on the planet. It boggles my mind that anyone who would have voted for Clinton would now vote for McCain. Unless they're some kind of weird racist Democrat... s**t, I'M voting for Obama. sorry...might not be so good either :/ This is what i found about obama and this stand on this, the "who would Jesus vote for" just happened to be in the same clip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xkT_W5l9-k&feature=related
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:53 pm
Siren of Saturn La Veuve Zin I wasn't aware there were more than, like, 3 pro-choice conservatives on the planet. It boggles my mind that anyone who would have voted for Clinton would now vote for McCain. Unless they're some kind of weird racist Democrat... s**t, I'M voting for Obama. sorry...might not be so good either :/ This is what i found about obama and this stand on this, the "who would Jesus vote for" just happened to be in the same clip. ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xkT_W5l9-k&feature=relatedUnless there is proof, that is kind of hard to believe (he doesn't see like the type to support killing of new borns). You can't believe everything that is on TV and people been try to make Obama look bad for awhile now. Besides I heared Hillary and Bill were the ones that supported that. If that is true, we are basically screwed no matter who becomes president.
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:00 am
It's true. We talked about it earlier, awhile ago I think. I mean he's getting really passionate about it, and it's slightly misleading unless you're familiar with the situation. It's not about killing newborns in general, it's specifically about killing a baby that is born alive during an abortion procedure or just plain allowing it to die without doing anything to try and save it. It really says something that this man is more pro-abortion than NARAL.
http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2008/01/top-10-reasons.html
Mm I wish I could find that thread. I'm digging through but can't find it. I've been going over this for half an hour. When I'm more awake I'll try again. I don't think that'll make a dent though. I mean, he did give the usual "They just want to make things harder for women," line. He is quite possibly slicker than Willy. My my, hope, hope for the future, change for the future, and it falls on desperate, starving ears. He'll win though, and time will tell. My advice though is don't trust him either. He's a politician, just like the rest of them.
Clinton is not as liberal as Obama. Obama is the most liberal senator we have right now, and not every Democrat is happy with that. You don't have to be a racist to disagree with Obama's voting record. McCain gets a lot of flack for not being conservative enough, but that appeals to some people, people who would have voted for Clinton. She's more moderate than Obama, on record I mean. Obama is far too leftist for their tastes and worries them, so they say, "Lesser of two evils," and vote McCain. On the flipside that's going to lose him conservative votes. God Bless write-ins, because seriously, Colbert 08.
In reality, the president won't change a thing these days, not in terms of abortion. All that comes from it are judges, who might be able to overturn RvW, but who's to say that'd last? No matter what legislation may be passed, if politicians don't step up to address the root causes of WHY women get abortions then nothing will happen anyway. Abortion is here to stay until those things are addressed and I honestly haven't seen any politicians address those issues.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:12 pm
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:29 pm
I'm still not voting either way.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:06 pm
Lymelady brought up a good point in another conversation; Not voting at all just makes you another unheard voice. If you really want to protest the current system, a vote for Stephen Colbert is an obvious vote of no confidence against our current two-party system.
Plus, it'd be badass if Stephen Colbert got elected anyway; Best inaugural speech ever.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:14 pm
I.Am Lymelady brought up a good point in another conversation; Not voting at all just makes you another unheard voice. If you really want to protest the current system, a vote for Stephen Colbert is an obvious vote of no confidence against our current two-party system. Plus, it'd be badass if Stephen Colbert got elected anyway; Best inaugural speech ever. I think it's rig so it don't matter either way and I don't want to deal with jury duty. It they really cared about what people had to say, Bush won't have been president (at least not for the second time). What is the point of having a right with we can't exercise our freedom and choose to vote or not? And i'm not going to vote for someone I don't know, specially if I know that probably has no chance at winning. Many people run for president but you usually only here about three candidates.
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:05 am
With Jury duty, honestly, I think that dodging your civic duty is wrong. Do you know why we have jury duty? So that our courts are more fair than they would be otherwise; A jury of your peers. And if you want a jury of your peers, should you ever be falsely accused of a crime, you really have a duty to accept your being called to be a juror for someone else. But besides that, jury duty isn't even decided by voter registration, except in four states: Quote: * Jury duty is often given a reason for not registering to vote. * In reality, only four states currently use only voter registration (VR) roles for jury duty: AL, AR, MS, MT, some don't use voter registration at all, and others use many lists. And the election isn't rigged; Bush was elected president the second time with a -small- popular minority, because of how complicated our election system is. Now, if you want to protest the system, with electoral votes and whatnot, be my guest, but that doesn't mean it's rigged. (Sorry, I hate conspiracy theories.) And there are perfectly good, if possibly outdated, reasons for the electoral system; Namely, that it ensures that small state's concerns won't be swamped by what the more populated states want. The reason voting for Stephen Colbert's such a big thing, is that Stephen Colbert is a comedian who was, jokingly probably, trying to run for President at the beginning of the election. There's a big difference between voting for Colbert and voting for, say, the Green party. Because Colbert isn't a politician at all, and has no real stances; He's a joke. See the Rhino Party; A party in Canada that succeeded in showing popular dislike of all parties.
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:11 am
lymelady It's true. We talked about it earlier, awhile ago I think. I mean he's getting really passionate about it, and it's slightly misleading unless you're familiar with the situation. It's not about killing newborns in general, it's specifically about killing a baby that is born alive during an abortion procedure or just plain allowing it to die without doing anything to try and save it. It really says something that this man is more pro-abortion than NARAL. http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2008/01/top-10-reasons.html Mm I wish I could find that thread. I'm digging through but can't find it. I've been going over this for half an hour. When I'm more awake I'll try again. I don't think that'll make a dent though. I mean, he did give the usual "They just want to make things harder for women," line. He is quite possibly slicker than Willy. My my, hope, hope for the future, change for the future, and it falls on desperate, starving ears. He'll win though, and time will tell. My advice though is don't trust him either. He's a politician, just like the rest of them. Clinton is not as liberal as Obama. Obama is the most liberal senator we have right now, and not every Democrat is happy with that. You don't have to be a racist to disagree with Obama's voting record. McCain gets a lot of flack for not being conservative enough, but that appeals to some people, people who would have voted for Clinton. She's more moderate than Obama, on record I mean. Obama is far too leftist for their tastes and worries them, so they say, "Lesser of two evils," and vote McCain. On the flipside that's going to lose him conservative votes. God Bless write-ins, because seriously, Colbert 08. In reality, the president won't change a thing these days, not in terms of abortion. All that comes from it are judges, who might be able to overturn RvW, but who's to say that'd last? No matter what legislation may be passed, if politicians don't step up to address the root causes of WHY women get abortions then nothing will happen anyway. Abortion is here to stay until those things are addressed and I honestly haven't seen any politicians address those issues. I could not agree with you more with every word you said. eek Personally, I don't think Obama is a good candidate for presidency, but it's like my dad said when he was first upset that Clinton got voted: there's only so much a president can do. 4laugh Thank god we don't live in a dictatorship.
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