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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:13 pm
Okay i actually believe that jesus DID exist but he was just a good man. Same with budah and Muhamad. If you could would you go back and put 5 50 caliber rounds into them? I would it would save me from being moched and alot of peoples lives.
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 3:20 pm
I highly doubt Jesus existed. The story of Horus is identical to the story of Jesus.
But if Jesus was real, yeah, I'd put some lead in his head. Muhammad, too, but Buddhism isn't that harmful, is it?
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 11:52 am
This honestly comes across as simply antagonistic and rude to me. I certainly wouldn't do something like that if time travel were suddenly available; in fact, I'd rather go talk to these people and hear their ideas first hand. It's not their fault that their followers over the years developed such bloodlust - their words were misused, and that's no reason to wish to go back and murder them for it. Things like this are why people hate atheists so much.
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 12:21 pm
Yeah, I'm not much for murder. If I could go back in time, I'd meet my mom and dad before I was born, then take my mom to prom and play "Johny Be Good" on the guitar before I raced past the clock tower to return back to 1985!
 "Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads."
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 12:39 pm
Daffodil the Destroyer This honestly comes across as simply antagonistic and rude to me. I certainly wouldn't do something like that if time travel were suddenly available; in fact, I'd rather go talk to these people and hear their ideas first hand. It's not their fault that their followers over the years developed such bloodlust - their words were misused, and that's no reason to wish to go back and murder them for it. Things like this are why people hate atheists so much. I agree with this. If I had the option of going back in time and putting bullets into some people I'd put them in the people that corrupted the church and forced their ideas on others, not those that had good intentions.
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 12:53 pm
No to be totally rude here, but it's people like you that give people like us bad images. Personally, I think that someone who people held dearly as a "savior" and as a miracle worker did exist, but he just wasn't the son of the supreme being. He may of just been some lucky guy who's actions came a across as amazing and wonderful, but were really works of medicine and such.
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 4:15 pm
No, i would not kill him. I would tell him of what today's world is like religeon-wise. Things like how a (some) people are potentially corrupted by religeon, thinking that "God" will solve all their problems. Say a giant tsunami the size of the CN tower was closing in on the biggest city in the world, but people did nothing but pray to their god for salvation, instead of evacuating the city and potentially saving millions of lives. There would be carnage.
Maybe this would make him think that me should lay low, to help the future. Or maybe is should bring him to the future in my Delorian(spelling?).
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 7:35 pm
I believe that there was a person named Jesus who lived back then, although I don't believe he had any powers or lived the same life they portrayed in the Bible. He was probably just a regular guy who people just pegged as a messiah for some odd reason.
As for your question, I don't think I would shoot them, I'd see what they're ideology is/was, compare it to what we have now and if possible tell them how screwed up their religion is nowadays.
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:40 pm
Personally, I think that Christianity was just one of those cults that got off the ground. Not good, not bad. It's the people that make it bad--not all of them, but everyone knows who I'm talking about. It's the hypocrites of the group and everyone has them. See above. Sorry but hey, I agree. Why would more violence help our situation today? It wouldn't. All you need is love.
But seriously, talking like this isn't going to get anyone anywhere. OP and chick after him, you sound like that lady that wrote that editorial a few threads up. You sound ignorant and you make the rest of us peaceable atheists look the same. I don't mean to pick on you but busting a cap in someone's beliefs isn't going to help with your being mocked or going to make the countless lives lost due to evil people worth anything.
FIN.
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:15 pm
Of course. I mean, more violence can only help, right? >>
No. But I would shake their hands and give them a warning about things to come.
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:46 am
If I had a time machine, I wouldn't waste it on fictitious characters (There is no evidence to suggest that Jesus ever existed, and plenty to suggest that he was concocted and cobbled together from prior myths.) I would take down some popes and others who spearheaded inquisitions and crusades. If you really want to stop the carnage later, that's how you do it.
And those of you who are worried about "what will people think if we talk about violence in our own forums!!??" which is essentially the mentality of your comments about how this kind of talk is what gets us a bad image... you need to get your head out of your buttocks.
Xians see us as nasty and hateful because they see anyone who is not in their religious group that way. Monotheistic religions are built to create that kind of attitude in their followers. It doesn't matter what we say, they will still think that way. Self-censoring is one of the stupidest responses to slander that one could ever hope to come up with. That's the response that xian slander is aimed at creating in us, so that we develop a fear of being misunderstood and just shut up.
We can talk about whatever we want in whatever way we want in our own forums. The minute we can't do that, we are beaten. I mean... unless you are really convinced that we are going to take a time machine and go back and kill Jesus. Then maybe you should be concerned...
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 3:21 pm
My head is not within my buttocks, thank you. It doesn't accomplish anything to sit around here wishing to do violence to long-dead individuals, any way you look at it. It's antagonistic, childish, and gives people reasons to believe that we are belligerent, rude people. I'm obviously not worried about someone coming into our forums and reading it, I just wanted to make the point that when atheists go around spouting such ridiculous bullshit, it makes all of us become a bigger target for bigots. Basically, there's a difference between censoring ourselves unreasonably and simply refraining from posting offensive statements about murdering religious figureheads. Plus, I was actually repulsed and offended by the first two posts in this thread. Sky fairy forbid I should express this. Vote for me in the arena!
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 7:22 am
I wouldn't kill him. Instead, I would kidnap him, tie him up, interrogate him, erase his entire memory, and relocate him to Fiji.
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 11:14 am
Daffodil the Destroyer My head is not within my buttocks, thank you. It doesn't accomplish anything to sit around here wishing to do violence to long-dead individuals, any way you look at it. It's antagonistic, childish, and gives people reasons to believe that we are belligerent, rude people. I'm obviously not worried about someone coming into our forums and reading it, I just wanted to make the point that when atheists go around spouting such ridiculous bullshit, it makes all of us become a bigger target for bigots. Basically, there's a difference between censoring ourselves unreasonably and simply refraining from posting offensive statements about murdering religious figureheads. Plus, I was actually repulsed and offended by the first two posts in this thread. Sky fairy forbid I should express this. I am sure I am not alone in not giving a rat's buttocks what the kind of people who make those sorts of judgments think. I'll tell you what, you go around worrying about "what will people think" and thinking that doesn't put your head up your buttocks, and I will continue saying whatever the hell I want to whenever the hell I want to... how's that?
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 1:01 pm
So wait, if you killed Jesus to prevent religious fundamentalism, then religious fundamentalism wouldn't exist, according to you. If that was the case, you wouldn't need to kill Jesus, but then religious fundamentalism WOULD exist, so you WOULD go back in time to kill Jesus, but then religious fundamentalism wouldn't--
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