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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 11:30 am
I need an couple paragraphs on where we go after we die. I dont care how much you write. You cane ither say a little and win or go over the top and win. I just am looking for the best answer.
I dont want basic answers like "Oh i will either go to heaven or hell". I want to know what you really think happens when we no longer live.
Reincarnation, Purgatory, The Seventh Level of Hell, Nothing ness, Heaven, anything challenging.
This contest will end on May 12th I will Judge them on May 13th and Declare a winner on that same day.
Contest Winner wins:
Monthly Letter
Or
10k
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:27 pm
The awnser of 'where we go when we die', when taken literally (that is to say, physically) is nowhere. Our bodies stay in theground and rot away. Our minds and souls, however, dream. Death is an eternal sleep, and where you'go' depends wholly on one's own beliefs. Thus, a person who feels guilty will go to Hell, even if they were a 'hero' in the eyes of the people. Conversely, a terrorist who believes he has died for a noble cause will end up in heaven. However, this also means you can't force things either way. If the afterlife is truly a dream, it is made by the subconsious, not the consious mind (which has passed on, by this point, into oblivion.). Essentially, the afterlife is the subconcius mind's final victory over the mind and body.
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Kain M ShZual Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:30 pm
I'll be participating in this one. If I win, then the prize will go to second place. I'll be posting last, though. On the deadline.
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 11:25 pm
Kain M ShZual I'll be participating in this one. If I win, then the prize will go to second place. I'll be posting last, though. On the deadline. Oh goddess..... This will be interesting...
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 8:08 am
I will say i do love tori's answer. Especially that last bit.
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:32 pm
First off: There is no life after death. The phrase is a contradiction; to die is to be without life.
Second, I think I need to put Heaven and Hell in to perspective. We need to ask ourselves: What is Heaven? What is Hell? Is Heaven a realm of existence governed by angels and other holy beings where you live out the rest of eternity in peace? Is Hell a realm of existence filled with fire and brimstone where you burn and slave away for the rest of eternity under the rule of a fallen angel?
Honestly, I hate the idea of Heaven, or rather the mass populous' idea of Heaven. In order to get there, I need to waste my life as a slave to an invisible force that cannot be proven. There's a lot wrong with that. Going somewhere where my soul can be at eternal peace would be going to the greatest Harem you could dream with a lot of other sinful perks. Peace to me is BORING. I couldn't handle an eternity of peace, thus Heaven is Hell to me. So then would I go to Hell? It turns in to one big paradox. Hell to me sounds great, given I'm a freakin' sadomasochist with nothing but love for this "Evil Being" (Lucifer) that rose up against the REAL tyrant and was thus spanked to Hell for it. I got no problem helping this guy. So, Heaven to me is Hell, and Hell to me is Heaven. So where am I going to go in this scenario?
It's easier to believe that Heaven isn't quite the Religious place we think it is, just like Hell. I tend to believe that Hell is what we suffer if we can't cross over, or have some other problem. Hell is more or less the inability to accept your death or realize you're dead, and thus walk the human world without the ability of interaction. Think of it: You're a smoker, and you crave the nicotine but you can't hold a cigarette. You're forced to watch your family live great lives without you and thus might think they're better off without you, and your soul is torn. Or, you get to see your family suffer and live with the fact there is NOTHING you can do to help them. Heaven is the ability to slip from this world with knowledge of your death, or the ability to accept your death. From there, I believe this:
The spirit, or soul, is allowed to do as it pleases. Free from the chains of the material world, it is now given the opportunity to live another live. Something along the lines of reincarnation; you're given the ability to live yet another life and have another life's worth of experiences. I believe this "God-Given Reincarnation" is what triggers deja vu in us at times, when it feels like we've been here before, but you've never actually been where you are.
So, I believe in Heaven and Hell sorta. Hell's where you're stuck if you're a twisted soul that can't accept Death or haven't come to the conclusion they're dead. Heaven's the ability to look back on your life, learn those lessons, and then live another life to see what else we can learn.
Wouldn't it be nifty if when we die, we enter in to a state of existence where we know everything we've learned in all of these lives? It'd be like we're living these lives to compile our own gigantic library of infinite knowledge. Perhaps we even converse with others who share their experiences with us, and thus we CHOOSE to live as they did so we might experience what they did out of curiosity.
So yeah. That's all more or less what I believe in.
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Kain M ShZual Vice Captain
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Neko_Shinobi Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 9:09 pm
Where do we go when we die? Personally, I try not to think about it. I, like a majority of America was raised to believe that if you spread the word of God accept Jesus Christ as your Savior, then you'll be allowed into Heaven. I very much detest some aspects to that belief, because they also said that good deeds count for naught and that even if you live your life as a rapist/child molester/murder/thief/etc, so long as you're saved before you die then thats all erased and you can get into Heaven. Where as if you go through life doing good deeds, helping people, and living your life to the best of you ability and try not to do anything wrong, if you weren't saved you were going to Hell.
As I said, I don't entirely agree with this. It doesn't explain a lot of things that I've experienced in life, such as hauntings. It's said that if we die, our spirit leaves the body and goes to whatever plane of existence we are told or choose to believe in. If thats true, then what are hauntings? I've heard multiple theories as to why spirits/ghosts are trapped in between this realm and the next, and I've also heard that where they are is the next realm, and that there's nothing after it. If that is true, then what happens when a ghost "crosses over". The theory I've heard recently is that they are re-incarnated. I have yet to open that can of worms so I'll stray from that subject for now.
So, what if you don't believe in spirit, and instead only believe in mind and body? Well, then you die, the brain dies, and there for can not support the body so they both start to decompose. This in turn releases gases that some plants use to create food and energy. So basically you become fertilizer and return to the earth. Even if your cremated, this theory still stands, as ash is bio degradable and actually mixes will with soil for some plant life. Now a days when people are cremated, they don't have to have there ashes scattered if they don't want, nor must you sit on someone mantle for teh rest of there non existent life. You can be turned into a friggin diamond if you want, or used in artwork on canvas.
To summarize, where do we go when we die? Any number of places. Heaven, Hell, trapped as a ghost, come back as someone or something else, turned into plant food, be worn on your loved ones ring finger, or framed and hung on a wall for all to see.
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:52 pm
K, I know you're readin' all these, so you better gimme that damn guitar ya b*****d!
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Kain M ShZual Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 12:48 am
Kain M ShZual K, I know you're readin' all these, so you better gimme that damn guitar ya b*****d! ((Is this some bet between you two, or what? You already turned down the prize...))
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:33 pm
[]†[] Nah, his sorry presidential a** just owes me a freakin' guitar! []†[]
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Kain M ShZual Vice Captain
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Kain M ShZual Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 1:07 am
Kain M ShZual []†[] Nah, his sorry presidential a** just owes me a freakin' guitar! []†[] I've got conformation from GAIA that there are issues with the systems associated with giving and receiving items, thus I must apologize to K for the pressure. My bad! Sorry! sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 11:06 am
And you doubted me... DEMOTION!
Ha ha i kid. But no ive been calling customer support and everything. Will you believe the ******** number just has one person answering it. I MEAN SHE EVEN HAS HER OWN VOICE MAIL! Theres one person running phone teh support. AND I SENT FRIGGING EMAIL OVER A WEEK AGO. Sorry bastards will just lock my account and then not even give the courtesy of a ******** you.
But say akin where did you get those wings cause i like em. Im really into wings period.
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:00 pm
I think I'm going to take a same type deal as Kain...I'll write my thoughts, but I don't want the prize. (next place down if I win)
Now, what happens when animals and humans die? It's silly to think that they do anything different. Once you don't live, that's it, nothing more. The 8 characteristics of life include the following: Intake/Use energy, produce waste, reproduce, react to environment (sensory input), maintain stable internal environment, move/delivery, produce/contain proteins. Now, we do that as well as animals do. It's silly to think of anything after death. The part of your body that receives that which is a part of hellfire or heavenly clouds is gone, so who says you can even feel anything after death? To be conscious after death...pah, silly...
But isn't it also silly to think that it's that simple? That we're that simple? Are we the same as animals, then? I'll offer you differently. For one thing, animals don't believe in God, they don't have religion, they don't have our arrogance. An animal doesn't rush to a fight it knows it will lose. Humans declare they can do anything, they have that preconception already that they can win and will win, and that they're number one. An animal isn't capable of such. It can FIGHT and EARN the title of "Alpha Male" but it does not boast it will win before it fights. Subsequently, also, the animals respect the winner, unlike us humans, who still think we're better, and then later will challenge it, and other select principles.
We have what's known to some as a "soul." I don't personally believe animals don't have a "soul," so this is really just a matter of having different names. I might venture to call it the conscience. We've got society's thoughts in mind, that "Is what I'm doing right or wrong?" And to some extent, we can teach animals this, and to some extent they already have it. If it's afraid of what YOU will do provided it takes this action, it will show a hesitation, like when we do something we know is wrong. It's that same fear when you're near a lion, and you would also hesitate. Fear. For us it's our Morals--or again--our conscience. What else, then? Okay, maybe you don't want to say that, still: Philosophy. Do animals have that? Whatever it is that we have while we live as humans, who's to say that isn't something that doesn't deteriorate to nothing like everything else? That's the principle of the soul. This thing that rightfully humans shouldn't have, this oddity that separates us from animals (for better or worse), what is it? Soul or not, it would seem it does pass on and continue after the body is gone.
Why do we have it while animals don't? You can't answer that. You can't explain why we have those extra characteristic, beyond basic "life," or, for that matter, animals. It's a silly idea to think such a thing could happen, but guess what, it did. So who's to say there's not anything after life? Now that I prove it's possible for ANYTHING after death, I make my statement finally. Your heaven and hell, or perception of it, or the preacher's perception of it--I take to be the same. THAT'S RIGHT! I think heaven and hell are just two parts of the same place. Cast into the flames for those sinners, and embraced by clouds for the good folk. No. Nothing is neither completely good or completely bad, not white, nor black, just different shades of gray. I think if you are a generally good person, that you've done more good than bad, it's off to heaven for you, which I take to mean you might get your punishment, but also reward. I think whatever this heaven is, it is just like life here.
Now hell? Yes, I believe in hell, but not in the same way as you do, most likely. If you don't believe in God, that's fine, you don't need to. Also, don't need to believe in the devil to follow me on this one. I don't think that hell is just fire and the devil laughing at you. As I said, if you've stayed mostly good (though, what is "good?") I believe you receive that in heaven for you to atone for what wrong you did commit. Hell, in my opinion, is only for those who were nasty till the end, with a malicious and defiant attitude to the very end. And now, what hell actually is, in my opinion. Not torture, not fire, not being told "Bad boy! No! Bad!" not even a spanking. To an extent, that's even satisfaction to some. That means they have to acknowledge you, and thus you controlled them in a way. It's showing you could make them do it. I think hell is nothing. TRULY nothing: Just you all by yourself, a floor to walk on, but no walls, no people, no texture, no path, no trail, no sky, just a thick fog. All you see is that fog and the floor. Those truly bad are damned to walk this forever.
Hell on Earth is this, for me, as well. If I had to travel this for even a minute with nothing to grant me company, I would be despairing. An hour, I would have severe anxiety. For a number of days having to bear this, I would go insane. For all time? I'd beg for death. An end. Hell on Earth, or closest to it, is those that don't have anyone or anything there for them. Insanity is hell on Earth. Please, go to your nearest nut farm, loony bin, whatever you call it, and just HUG SOMEONE! Poor souls...
Just imagine what you'd do if you had nothing--utter nothingness--and that's where you will find hell. I find nothing worse than knowing I'll be walking that nothing forever. As expressed by Three Days Grace: Pain. "I'd rather feel pain than nothing at all." Me, too.
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:02 pm
Goodness! I could kick myself in the a**! Not again!!! crying Why do I write so much?! Oh well...
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:40 pm
If no ones post in the next 2 and one half hours. Johnny wins. Sorry guys.
Second place Kain For inspried heaven vs hell speech Third Tori For his last line. "Essentially, the afterlife is the subconscious mind's final victory over the mind and body."
Fourth Neko
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