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 Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:40 pm
What does everyone think of angels?
What kind of perceptions are there?
How do you see them in a fantasy/realistic sense?
How would they exist?
What are they?
Answer and discuss all of these questions and more.
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:54 pm
Well I think angels are cool. Most of the drawings and art I see of an angel is a beautiful, sexy looking woman with bird like wings. It's very rare to see an angel with more than two wings, right? I don't know how many perceptions of them are there really... I think that if they were to exist, they might end up being like they portrayed one in the show: Highway to HeavenThat's pretty much how I see them in a fantasy/realistic sense. I believe that angels are not actually creatures per se. I think that if one ceases to exist, it would not leave a skeleton like the one seen in "The Simpsons" show. I think the idea of an angel leaving a corpse is more than just silly. I wonder what does everyone else think on this matter...
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:28 am
It's the same as vampires turning to dust when they die. In my world they don't automatically disappear in a fiery puff of smoke like they do in Buffy, but it's more over a few minutes that their bodies just turn to dust.
Perhaps angels could be the same in many ways? Although they wouldn't leave anything behind like regular dust. I see angels as immortal beings, and the first race of God's servants. I believe it's said somewhere that God created angels long before He created the next authoritative race, humans.
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 11:27 am
Yeah, yer probably right. I like that you've made them different in yer world and not like in Buffy's world, where, vampirism seems a bit too much fantastic. I'm with you on that! Angels being immortal and such I mean. But I've seen that some people have made angels different depending on the story. If my perception of the angels in Magic (the gathering) is correct, some are actually creatures that can actually die and be resurrected. Some of them can actually fight almost endlessly and some even have protection against the evil forces (red & black). If I remember correctly, there was a planes walker named "Serra" who, made an entire plane (called Serra's Realm) for her angels and, I'm pretty sure she even created angels to live in it. She was a fair ruler and after a dark and powerful force attacked her plane, she was forced to leave it after it was left tainted with an unclean-sable evil. If you like the story so far, there's more info about Serra on this page. 3nodding
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 12:18 pm
I would explain how this works in my world, but it would a.) reveal too much about the plot and b.) expose my ideas.
It's got something to do with humans who have the souls of angels.
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:41 am
Another one of those wonderful questions that have different answers to fantasy worlds and this world.
As for how I perceive angels in this world, they are something like that shown in Philip Pulman's His Dark Materials, and at times choose to adopt a person to look over. They can choose their appearance and are immortal. Yes, created long before humans.
Fantasy, though, much more play room once again. My world lacks angels, much because they do not fit with the personality of those charged with creation. And, yes, also find that just copying and pasting the idea of angels into a new realm to be distasteful. But that's just me.
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 1:29 pm
Regarding my world's take on angels. They're not exactly angels per say, but that's the easiest explanation I can find for them. The main deity has subordinates that are also deities of some form themselves (only on not so high a scale), and there are those who are like angels, and then those who are born into human form who have the soul of something like an angel.
I've not decided whether they are called angels but they probably will be because I have so much going on in my world already.
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:55 pm
Hmm, this thread has gotten a neat start already... 3nodding
It's ok if you don't want to talk about it much Mel. I think we understand why and, I wouldn't want anyone stealing yer ideas anymore than you would.
It's too bad i have never seen or even heard about that "His Dark Materials" thing Gornwen is talking about. I'm a bit surprised to see that her world lacks angels... eek
But I think I understand why. mrgreen
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:18 am
I've heard that His Dark Materials is a fantastic read, but I have trouble with including this world in with fantasy unless we're talking about Earth in medieval-renaissance history.
Regarding angels, they're ethereal/heavenly beings and therefore one can create variations of them and how they'd work. An ethereal/heavenly being from another world may not be called an angel, and they may differ from angels as most people in this world perceive them, but in the end they're still from the same origin and are therefore deviants.
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:55 pm
Good point Mel! I've been wondering what else to discuss here but I'm drawing a blank right now so, I should come when I do. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:07 am
Okay, I'm going to have to do a book plug here, because His Dark Materials is one of my all time favorite reads. The first book, the Golden Compass or The Northern Lights depending on where you are, is a wonderful little steampunky gaunt into the story and is completely "here" free. So, I would at least give the first book a go, although it doesn't. And I would say that once you do get the second book, the Subtle Knife Pulman manages to merge this world and his fantasy worlds quite well together in a way that for his creation makes perfect sense.
Anyways... Completely agree with that point. Once everything else is boiled away they are divine in one sense or anther beings. From there on out it is up to the person's imagination to create and shape them.
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:08 pm
There's one thing I've found to be strange in two animes that I've seen though. With colours (or, non-colours) we think of white as representing good and black as representing bad. In D N Angel, Dark (the one with the black wings) is good, and the one with the white, Krad (Dark backwards - *snigger*) is evil. In Trinity Blood, the two crusniks (crusniks being vampires that feed on the blood of other vampires) are the same. They are Cain and Abel, and anyone who knows about Christianity knows about those two.
Cain & Abel (Wikipedia)
In the Bible, Cain murders Abel.
The Lesser of Two Evils
In Trinity Blood, Cain is still the evil one, but Abel is meant to have redeemed himself and he's the good guy in the story. However, Cain has white wings and wears white, whereas Abel is a priest of the Vatican (and wears black therefore) and has black wings.
Maybe it's just a metaphor saying that not all things that are black or dark have to be evil and that not all light things are good. Regardless, that was just one point, there's also the info there about Cain and Abel as two examples of good and evil despite them not being angels.
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:06 pm
I think I've just about seen all the episodes of Trinity Blood by now and I see what yer getting at Mel. I totally get that just cuz something looks good, it doesn't really mean that it is indeed good; and vice versa. I know the story of Cain & Abel all too well btw. I didn't remember the name of the other crusnik though... Isn't that funny? mrgreen
I must say, Abel looks like a fallen angel in his true form.
BTW, can we discuss fallen angels in this forum or is it a better topic for the catacombs? neutral
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:51 am
Fallen angels - Catacombs.
Crusnik 03 is the little sister who still looks like a child, Seth.
We can discuss more of Trinity Blood in the Vampirism thread because there are some interesting points that the series brings up that I feel I could elaborate on.
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 3:33 pm
Right! I should have known... Cool! I'll come by the vamp thread later. Just to keep in topic, has anyone ever seen black angels in any concepts or even paintings? I ask cuz I've mostly seen angels with white skin, I don't think I've ever seen a black angel. Have you guys? Check this avi I made for example: 
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