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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:05 am
I dont' know what this movie is called, I just caught the rather dumb plotline. and here it is:
Basically, a girl wants kids but cannot get pregnant no matter how hard she tries. A single wannabe mom, too, I believe. So what does she do?
logical choices A) Give up and be grateful you're infertile B) Marry someone with kids, possibly. C) Adopt
nope, she gets some (no offense) dumb blonde teen girl to get pregnant and have a baby for her... The girl looks like a ditz and it's basically another movie that goes down the road of pregnancy and all the "humor and joy" while, I imagine, avoiding the trauma and pain associated with it.
Seriously, I can barely stand teen pregnancy movies as it is, but someone getting pregnant on purpose for someone else? -_- This goes too far. This plain crosses the line. I think that this only furthers the media stereotype that all girls should go out and be fertile. Opinions?
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:25 am
¨*:·.♥.·:*¨It's called Baby Mama.
I wanna see it. It looks funny. I don't think the blonde woman is a teen though. Just a little...trashy. xD
In reality, many people choose to use surrogate mothers. It's just another option in the matter of infertility for those who do want children. Remember, pro-choice is about choosing to have children if you want them...not just aborting, and hellacious pregnancies.
And yes, this is another movie that doesn't touch on extremely problematic pregnancies so much...but I wouldn't want it to. It's a comedy. It's supposed to be light hearted and entertaining. Not gruesome and scary and drama-filled. D:
I really don't see what's so horrible about exploring surrogacy. It's just another choice. Right?
I think you're over-reacting a bit to the movie. ):
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:02 am
I'd probably see it if Amy Poehler weren't in it. She isn't funny, and her character just looks like a crass ditz. Laaaame.
I'm tired of people putting pregnancy and parenthood on a pedestal. Could we put "adopting an orphan" on a pedestal? Please? I find it to be harmful selfishness; to sate your desire for "your own" child, or a little pink newborn, you pass up millions of existing children who need homes. Just because it's another choice doesn't mean that I have to like it.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:08 am
Yeah, Amy Poehler's character is not a teen. She has her own apartment if you watch the trailer. I do want to see it, it looks amusing.
While I agree that hollywood puts parenthood/pregnancy on a pedestal, there's not much humor or interest in an adoption case. The best that can be done with those is a drama, and thats usually reserved for lifetime, lol.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:30 pm
Deformography: I agree; the children we have should be adopted out first. I cannot see why surrogacy is used instead of adoption...I wonder which a pro life person would support more? Curiously, on a related note, they are definitely poking around this guild; one I know from the forums PMed me with the movie title and lead actress... eek I was a bit freaked out.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:42 pm
They always lurk. Ignore it aslong as they are civil.
Is anyone else freaked out by the glorification of pregnancy movie-trend that has been going around for quite a while now?
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:04 pm
LadyInWhite They always lurk. Ignore it aslong as they are civil. Is anyone else freaked out by the glorification of pregnancy movie-trend that has been going around for quite a while now? *raises hand* yes...me...
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:36 pm
LadyInWhite They always lurk. Ignore it aslong as they are civil. Is anyone else freaked out by the glorification of pregnancy movie-trend that has been going around for quite a while now? Yes.
Movie about a waitress getting pregnant. Movie about a one night stand resulting in a pregnancy. Movie about teen pregnancy. Movie about surrogacy.
I might watch 'Baby Mama', simply because it's a Tina Fey movie (I LOVE 'Mean Girls'). She's smart, funny and probably didn't make this movie out to be gushy, and act like pregnancy is all rainbows, and sunshine. It'll probably have a lot of stuff about the actual issues that come up with pregnancy, because I know there's a little part where a woman is speaking, and says women who opt to have an epidural are being 'selfish'.
However, I'm not a fan of this whole 'let's show how the pretty white women deal with pregnancy and live happily ever after' crap.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:38 pm
Surrogacy is usually used in cases where people want their own child, but lack the ability to carry it to term. Say what you will, but some people really just want the child to be theirs genetically. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, but thats its purpose. The surrogate mother serves as a holding tank for the other woman's (and her sperm donor of choice whether it be her mate or a anon donor situation like it would appear this movie has) baby. Its not uncommon, and I remember that Phoebe on Friends did it for her brother & his wife. Sometimes thats what people have their heart set on, and again, its a choice.
As far as the trend, there have always been movies about having babies, pregnancy & parenting. Because they can be funny, truthful & still enjoyable. The other topics are usually going to be dramas, if they are the focal point of the movie. Like if a girl chooses to have an abortion, its all about her course of actions to make that decision, or dealing with other peoples opinion of her choice, or fighting for her right, or (god forbid) her regret. Or if its about adoption, its probably about some parents fight to adopt a kid. Its not really as lighthearted as pregnancy can be. While its a tad bit of glorifying pregnancy, there are just as many if not more movies that have NOTHING to do w/ babies. But its a subject many people can relate to in one way or another, whether they are or want to be parents some day, or know someone who is a parent, or who deals with kids.
Again, while strictly speaking prochoice is about bodily intergrity, I think we all agree its a bit more, including the choice of when to become a parent (if at all), and every time you want to put down a movie about pregnancy it makes it seem like we think no one should like pregnancy at all. I look forward to it! But its not for right now. So I enjoy movies about having babies.
Also, its not really a trend, there have always been these kind of movies. Like 9 Months, Look Who's Talking, etc. It just happens to be a situation people love to laugh about, because as a species, we love it. It's in our instincts, and statistically speaking, most people will probably become parents some day. What I would actually find disturbing is if there was a trend of movies demonizing women who choose not to have kids ever. (Not even speaking about abortion but just being child free). That would be something to actually be concerned about.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:37 pm
Actually I was thinking more along the lines of how abstinence-only "education" is being proven to be really bad and there is even a Congressional Committee examining the impact it has on peoples lives going on at the moment, so the way the ab-only crowd can save face is by pushing to have more pro-pregnancy movies come out right now to combat people seeing the damage it really is doing. I think it's sending a hidden message since movies are something practically everyone watches and therefore the perfect medium to portray the pro-ab-only political agenda (which tells us if we get pregnant we must carry to term). Or I'm just being really paranoid again (that happens a lot lately) and they are not related. But your right FallenEverdark there are a lot of movies about pregnancy, that is not the problem. The problem is making pregnancy seem like its all sunshine and rainbows and your biggest problem when you get pregnant is getting sick in the mornings. It's not really realisitc. Yes, a lot of women have complication free pregnancies but there are plenty of women who do have all sorts of issues and the movie industry tends to forget those women. I could write a comedy about a woman having a miscarriage, or about a women who has a mal-deformed fetus. Bad things don't always have to mean drama. Also if you put a happy/funny twist on something bad then people who go through it themselves might see that it's not so bad after all. I'm not sure what I wanted to say go through or not.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:37 pm
What LadyInWhite said is absolutely true. We are living in a society where abortion, women's rights, and women's health issues are being attacked every day. Not to mention the rate of teen pregnancies is rising, because of a lack of comprehensive sex education. It's not that people here have a problem with pregnancy movies. There's nothing stopping someone from avoiding a movie. The problem lies with movies portraying this idealistic view of pregnancy. Now, it wouldn't be so bad if it was 'just a comedy', but look at movies like 'Juno'. http://womensissues.about.com/od/teenpregnancy/a/JunoAntiChoice.htmQuote: But for one woman who long ago found herself in the same situation as Juno, and has since become a leading advocate of choice for women and girls, the film has very real flaws. Primary among them is the fact that Juno fails to portray the issues surrounding teen pregnancy in an authentic and responsible manner. [...] There's very little angst that Juno experiences over carrying the baby and giving it up - the character is almost disconnected from the many deep-seated emotions that pregnant teens feel. Is that deliberate - or naive?[...] Many see Juno as heroic for carrying out of her pregnancy. The real issues surrounding pregnancy isn't discussed in the film Knocked Up either. In Hollywood it's verboten. When you have a society that's trying to chip away at a woman's right to choose, force teens to seek parental consent when seeking abortions, denying teens access to contraception, and sexual education, all while hyping up pregnancy, how is that not a problem? Here is another article about Juno, and it's unrealistic view of teenage pregnancy, and even mentions the lack of people of colour, and the way they're portrayed in the movie. Quote: To be blunt, this movie’s plot went to great lengths to normalize whiteness and white middle-class family culture as much as possible. It’s not perfect, no — just a little dysfunctional. Classy with the crassness. Everyone makes an effort to keep unpleasantries hushed up. Young love gets a sexy component, and a consequence that’s remedied. Life returns to its idyllic procession. I say that it went through great lengths to normalize because it took something like teen pregnancy, couples adopting from the womb, young parenting, family and social acceptance — Very Big Deals — and kinda canned them all into a convenient, easy-to-digest package. The normal standard is keeping white middle class America’s faith in finding easy solutions for Very Big Deals intact. This movie kinda clinches that. Pretty much sums up my views of these types of movies. I find it pretty convenient that the main character of 'Baby Mama' is a well off, white woman who can afford to have a stranger come live with her, and pay all of her bills, probably has maternity leave, and various other benefits just waiting in the wings. What about the women who feel pressured to have kids, but they can't afford fancy doctors, and classes? What about the woman who can't even afford their medical bills? What about the women who can't find a job, because they have kids, or they can't afford day care? Movies like these pretty much push aside the women who don't fit into the cookie cutter ideal these movies portray. We (Pro-Choicers) are trying to get things changed, but it's hard to get people to see just how bad things really are, when there are movies like this that say "Hey, why are bothering with that 'right to choose' stuff! Look at the cute baby, and happy happy fun times! There's nothing wrong with the way things are!"
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:02 am
Speaking of Juno Feminsting had this article up a while ago: The trouble with Juno which discusses the movie from the birth-mothers aspect.
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:04 am
MipsyKitten Pretty much sums up my views of these types of movies. I find it pretty convenient that the main character of 'Baby Mama' is a well off, white woman who can afford to have a stranger come live with her, and pay all of her bills, probably has maternity leave, and various other benefits just waiting in the wings. What about the women who feel pressured to have kids, but they can't afford fancy doctors, and classes? What about the woman who can't even afford their medical bills? What about the women who can't find a job, because they have kids, or they can't afford day care? Movies like these pretty much push aside the women who don't fit into the cookie cutter ideal these movies portray. We (Pro-Choicers) are trying to get things changed, but it's hard to get people to see just how bad things really are, when there are movies like this that say "Hey, why are bothering with that 'right to choose' stuff! Look at the cute baby, and happy happy fun times! There's nothing wrong with the way things are!" Yeah, I agree with this completely, I just kept getting the feeling that what was being said was more "ugh pregnancy" rather than "ugh ideallic white people comedy about pregnancy." But I agree, the number of girls that i graduated with (and this was only 4 years ago) that either had one (or more) kids when we graduated or have since then is shocking. I can't understand why any of them didn't just abort. I guess I'm lucky not to have the moral confusion about it thanks to my mom always teaching me to have an open mind about things, but while I found it a tough decision to choose to abort, I know it was the 100% right choice. One of my best friends DID have a daughter when she was 19, and it was the best thing to happen to her. But she got pregnant again a couple years later and aborted. And she has said that it was one of the smartest things she ever did. I too wish other girls realized what you're really doing when you choose to have kids, and I suppose that these movies aren't helping, but I've never seen them that way because I suppose I'm smart enough to not feel like that. :/ ETA: !!! I did just remember a pretty awesome movie about teen pregnancy. Its still a little bit "happy happy" but not all. Its mostly a drama, and you never actually see the baby, the movie ends before she delivers. It's called Quinceañera. It dealt a lot more w/ the emotional issues, especially about the relationship between parents, that a teen might deal with when she's pregnant. I liked it a lot. And its not about white people lol.
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:49 pm
Mipsy has pointed out a lot of the problems I saw with Juno, and I felt Knocked Up did a better job of it but it was still a bit squeaky clean. Like, the dude gets a girl pregnant, and then gets a job and becomes respectable and then they're a perfect couple? Nah, doesn't happen so often in the real world.
I think maybe it's because we have a pro-choice angle, where we feel that there are situations in which women probably should abort, although we'd never make the choice for them. Like Everdark said, the girls with kids and she wondered why they didn't abort. The amount of people for whom abortion is 'just not an option' is scary - hell, I was one of them until quite recently.
I hadn't heard of Baby Mama, I'll probably see it and let you know my thoughts then.
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:22 am
Yeah, while I'm also a little worried about the kind of message these movies might send, I also think that when people watch these kind of movies, they want to feel good about it, not a slap of reality about how much it sucks having a baby. Most people do see having a baby as a great blessing, and want to see things work out for people. I would like to see some more serious movies about it, but I really just don't think they would do real well at the box office. :/
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