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 Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:10 pm
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:17 pm
There really isn't a reason to abort. You're just stating your reaction to the thread, which as it happens, weren't so positive. It's nothing troll ish or inappropriate.
In fact, you handled it quite better than others might have, in my opinion.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:45 am
I think he posted that same question in another guild.
confused
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:30 am
It's nicer than I would've been, honestly. I probably would have thrown in a, "What the ******** business is it of yours to be slinging her personal life around the internet as if it involves you in some way?"
I don't believe you were in the wrong at all. He asked for opinions, you gave it, then homebody is all coming in acting like it's a really big deal, you abortion-loving skank. neutral
Whatev. If you get banned for something like that, then it's not very well run guild.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:57 am
Everything you've said seems pretty civil I think you jumped the gun a little when you said he was insinuating that women who get abortions are sneaky sluts, I think he was more insinuating that a woman who would not include her husband in a decision like that is a sneaky slut. But either way, I don't think you did or said anything wrong.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:24 am
I don't think you did anything wrong.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:26 am
You did nothing wrong. I read that thread (and posted in the thread he made in another guild) and you said what I would have said. The person you're arguing with is an a**. He doesn't know what he's talking about, and he's jumping on YOU for being passionate. I guess it must be easy for people who don't actually have to worry about things like abortion, pregnancy, and the s**t women get for their decisions.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:21 pm
One thing that I think that OP should be confronted with... and that every ''ather's rights' pro-lifer should be confronted with is the reverse question:
What if the father wanted the woman to abort really really badly, but the woman wanted to keep it? Should he be allowed to force her to abort against her will?
...and then a follow-up (assuming they say 'no he should not):
If he should not be allowed to force her to abort, why should he be allowed to force her to carry to term?
...and then a final follow-up (Assuming they can't really provide an explanation or outright admit the reality of using this example; it's an emotional ploy to try to push a pro-life agenda):
If you do not believe the father's say rules over a woman in all abortion scenarios (which is misogynistic by the way), then it is obvious that you only bring this situation up (a father who wants the fetus but a woman who does not) as an emotional ploy to chip away at women's rights. This is dispicable.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:50 am
Talon - I was having a think as to why people are for guys being allowed to stop abortions, but not force them, even if they profess to be pro-choice (or have no problems with abortion), and the only answer I came up with is this - forcing someone to stay in the state they are in (pregnant) is a passive action. Forcing someone to change their state is an active one. I don't think the man should overrule the woman in any circumstance, but maybe that's a small insight. It's hypocritical and still misogynist and anti-abortion, but it could be the reason.
Trite: I don't think you were wrong, you were maybe a little less civil than I would have been but you were right to defend women who abort when their partners don't want them to. Also, since the woman in his story was cheating, she probably aborted BECAUSE it wasn't his, and didn't tell him because then he'd find out about the affair. Well, it's possible, anyhow.
That kind of reminds me of the episode of House recently where he's like "your girlfriend was depressed, alcoholic and had an abortion without your knowledge" and the guy was all like "nuuuuuuu I still love her though ;_;" but it actually wasn't his girlfriend... butstill. If only everyone were so understanding.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:32 am
I would have mentioned to the poster that its a couple to couple decision. It's something a couple needs to talk about before getting involved romantically or even sexually and it varies from couple to couple. It's not a decision that is universal and should not be treated as so. But ultimately I would have said it is her decision by law not his. It is a medical decision and thus left private. She has no control over his in medical decisions and thus he shouldn't has any inclusion in any decision that she makes.
Using personal experience is commonly used in the pro-choice/life debates and quite heavily at that.
Yes you did jump the gun about patronizing him about the "girls are all sneaky sluts". The best answer would have been the decision is situation to situation and couple to couple with legally the woman's right honored first because it is her body. However his poll as well was a bit biased as well. The "no" option is calmer and seems kinder but the "yes" option makes the person who clicks it as being cruel, unloving a**. Which at the end shows that the "correct" and "ethical" is "yes". I do say shame to him for how he set up the poll and how he handled the situation and judging his aunt.
EDIT (sorry, had to do something before I went to class I saw what time it was)
We had a classmate once in our speech class who used similar tactics during our persuasive speeches. He not only tried to sway the class by using the 100% number of Christians that were in the class (statistics were false because he threw mine out cause I wasn't and had to write in an option for my religion) using the "good Christian" reason, he used ambigious wording and contradictory statements on his survey and tried to appeal to emotion as well in the survey which the person in that post is doing through the poll. From what I have seen many of the pro-life polls are set up that way showing the abortion option as cruel and mean and the keep/adopt out the baby as good and correct.
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:41 pm
Fran Salaska I was having a think as to why people are for guys being allowed to stop abortions, but not force them, even if they profess to be pro-choice (or have no problems with abortion), and the only answer I came up with is this - forcing someone to stay in the state they are in (pregnant) is a passive action. Forcing someone to change their state is an active one. Umm.... no. Forcing someone to remain in a state is still forcing. It's by no means "passive". Instead of forcing a woman to have an abortion, the man is forcing her to give birth.
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:54 pm
PhaedraMcSpiffy Fran Salaska I was having a think as to why people are for guys being allowed to stop abortions, but not force them, even if they profess to be pro-choice (or have no problems with abortion), and the only answer I came up with is this - forcing someone to stay in the state they are in (pregnant) is a passive action. Forcing someone to change their state is an active one. Umm.... no. Forcing someone to remain in a state is still forcing. It's by no means "passive". Instead of forcing a woman to have an abortion, the man is forcing her to give birth. Oh, completely, forcing is still forcing and I don't condone it under any circumstances. But you have to do something to have an abortion, whereas you do nothing to remain pregnant. Plus nevar forget that abortion is teh wrong. rolleyes
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:56 am
I have always been of the opinion that Pro-Choice means choice in all situations, not just procreation. I believe in choice for women and men. If what is happening is happening in your body or with your body, the choice should be yours. period. Whether it pertains to pregnancy, illness or even life.
No one should force anyone, ever.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:24 am
Wait what? You got banned?
But I know the person that owns that guild, he's not retarded x-x this makes no sense
I posted there too, and I agree with you completely.. this is weird
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:08 pm
Abusive Mana Wait what? You got banned?
But I know the person that owns that guild, he's not retarded x-x this makes no sense
I posted there too, and I agree with you completely.. this is weird No no, she was saying she thought she was going to get banned, not that she did.
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