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 Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:26 pm
Contrary to popular belief, it turns out that most cheeses aren't vegetarian. There is an enzyme used in many cheese and cheese products called "rennet" that is used to make the milk coagulate. This enzyme is obtained by slicing up cow and pig stomachs and grinding it down into the milk. Even a lot of chips with cheese flavorings have a listing of "enzymes" in the ingridents, which is often rennet.
I'm actually pretty upset at this. I had no idea that they used parts of an animal in the formation of most cheeses. Here's a website with further detail and a list of vegetarian and vegan cheeses.
http://www.natural-connection.com/resource/tnc_reference_library/cheese.html
I'm sorry if this is a repeat, but I was just so blown away by this. I feel terrible that I've been eating it.
What do you guys think? Is this completely old news that I somehow missed?
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:30 pm
U4ic_Tendencies Is this completely old news that I somehow missed? yes. not to mention the dairy industry is responsible for just as much animal abuse as the meat production industry, if not even more so.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:53 pm
Diabolic Kung Fu U4ic_Tendencies Is this completely old news that I somehow missed? yes. not to mention the dairy industry is responsible for just as much animal abuse as the meat production industry, if not even more so. I realize the terrible things that happen to produce dairy. However, when you're in the transition from being a meat-eater to vegetarian, its not normally a quick jump straight to vegan.
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:49 am
I didn't know that about cheese. WHO CAN WE TRUST IF WE CAN'T EVEN TRUST CHEESE??? Cheese is DELICIOUS!!! crying Now I can't have Christmas Eve dinner anymore... (My family always has grilled cheese and tomato soup.) I would rather have old-fashioned cheese.
Well, here goes the saying:
"Okay, this is really bad."
"What?"
"It either smells like bad meat or fresh cheese."
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 9:16 am
No! Why'd you say that? Now I'm going to cry!!!
I mean, I rarely eat dairy to begin with, but now I'm going to have to start phasing out the little cheese that I do eat? crying Damn you, dairy industries! *shakes fist angrily*
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 5:19 am
Even if there was no rennet in cheese, and there isn't in some cheeses, the dairy industry itself sends millions of calves to their death when we take their milk. I realise it's not easy for people to give it up if they're just getting used to vegetarianism, but those who are vegetarian and are not considering veganism really should try to make the switch - look more into the dairy industry and you'll realise how cruel it really is.
This isn't a post bashing vegetarians by the way! I think everyone's doing a great job, I just know that a lot of vegetarians don't know much about what goes on with the dairy industry, and if they did, they would be repulsed by it.
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:29 pm
 you had my heart, at least for the most part... cheese is basically the only dairy product i eat anymore(unless some dairy is incorporated in something i'm eating), && i've been trying to not eat it for the past couple of months. i've gotten down to where i only eat it every month or so, but my parents are resentful towards me wanting to go vegan. gonk ...'cause everybody's gotta die sometime.
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:10 pm
Actually, I just discovered this myself yesterday, when I was surfing around on wikipedia. (Discovered it in an article about Kosher foods).
I was hoping to get some advice from people... I am very poor right now (As in, every month I have to sell whatever I can to make rent), so I really can't afford to go for the more expensive vegetarian cheese. Nor can I give it up alltogether, because cheese has been the main source of calcium and protein for me in lieu of the more expensive calcium-rich vegetables and protein-rich nuts.
I find myself absolutely repulsed by this, but in all honesty, it comes down to morality or health. If I cut cheese out of my diet, as it stands now, I will be sorely malnourished. Is it wrong, then, to keep eating it, knowing the harm it does to other lives? I've thought of a compromise - eating it until I can secure a steady job and be able to make the switch to a less cruel alternative - but I'm not sure if that's morally acceptable given my current situation or just an excuse because more than half of my favorite foods have cheese in them.
I became a vegetarian because I don't want to be the cause of any undue suffering. I have suffered enough at the hands of others, that I don't want to cause any harm to life where I can help it. But I'm not really sure, at this point, that I can help that...
Any advice?
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:17 am
Kaioto_Katsuma Actually, I just discovered this myself yesterday, when I was surfing around on wikipedia. (Discovered it in an article about Kosher foods). I was hoping to get some advice from people... I am very poor right now (As in, every month I have to sell whatever I can to make rent), so I really can't afford to go for the more expensive vegetarian cheese. Nor can I give it up alltogether, because cheese has been the main source of calcium and protein for me in lieu of the more expensive calcium-rich vegetables and protein-rich nuts. I find myself absolutely repulsed by this, but in all honesty, it comes down to morality or health. If I cut cheese out of my diet, as it stands now, I will be sorely malnourished. Is it wrong, then, to keep eating it, knowing the harm it does to other lives? I've thought of a compromise - eating it until I can secure a steady job and be able to make the switch to a less cruel alternative - but I'm not sure if that's morally acceptable given my current situation or just an excuse because more than half of my favorite foods have cheese in them. I became a vegetarian because I don't want to be the cause of any undue suffering. I have suffered enough at the hands of others, that I don't want to cause any harm to life where I can help it. But I'm not really sure, at this point, that I can help that... Any advice? Here's a couple of recipes for a cheese substitute that's cheap, really easy to make and tastes good. It's a sauce, not actual cheese, but it works good on pizza and pastas and whatnot. Melty Pizza Cheese Makes 1 1/4 cups/5 servings 1 c. water 1/4 c. nutritional yeast 2 T. cornstarch 1 T. flour 1 tsp. lemon juice 1/2 tsp. salt 1/4 tsp. garlic granules OPTIONAL: 4 tsp. calcium carbonate powder 2 T. water OPTIONAL: 1 T. canola oil (my addition - 1/4 tsp. turmeric) Place all ingredients, except the 2 T. water and additional oil, in a blender/processor and blend until smooth. Pour the mixture into a small saucepan and stir over medium heat until it starts to thicken, then let it bubble for 30 seconds. Whisk vigorously. Or pour the mixture into a microwave-proof bowl; cover and cook on high for 2 minutes. Whisk, then microwave for 2 more minutes, and whisk again. Whisk in the water and optional oil. The oil adds richness and helps it melt better, but the cheese still only contains 2.6 g. of fat per 1/4 cup. Drizzle immediately over pizza or other food, and broil or bake until a skin forms on top. Alternatively, refrigerate in a small, covered plastic container for up to a week. It will become quite firm when chilled but will still remain spreadable. You can spread the firm cheese on bread or quesadillas for grilling, or heat it to spread more thinly on casseroles, etc. Variations Melty Jack Cheese: Omit the oil and add 1 T. tahini to the blender mixture Melty Suisse Cheese: Omit the oil and use only 1/4 tsp. salt. Add 1 T. tahini and 1 T. light soy or chick-pea miso to the blended mixture Melty Cheddar Cheese: Use 1/3 c. nutritional yeast flakes and add 1/4 tsp each sweet Hungarian paprika and mustard powder. Use only 1/4 tsp. salt and add 1 T. light soy of chick-pea miso to the blended mixture Smoky Cheese: To the basic recipe or any of the above variations, add 1/8 tsp. liquid smoke Cheese Sauce, Rarebit, or Fondue: Add 1 cup to 1 1/4 cup non-diary milk, dry white wine, or beer (can be non-alcoholic) to any of the cheese variations. (Try using the Suisse for fondue and the Cheddar for Rarebit). You may add a pinch of nutmeg and white pepper. Add salt to taste. Nacho Sauce: You can add drained, canned black beans, chopped jalapenos or other chiles, chopped olives, a pinch of cumin, etc., using Jack or Cheddar as a base. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Melty Nutritional Yeast "Cheese" 1 cup nutritional yeast flakes 1/3 (third) cup white flour (I use sifted wholewheat or wholewheat pastry flour) 1 tsp salt 2 cups water 1/4 - 1/2 cup margarine (I use oil) 1/2 tsp garlic powder (optional) 2 tsp wet mustard (I use Meaux Mustard in the pottery jars) (opt) Mix dry ingredients in a saucepan. Gradually add water, stirring with a whisk , making a smooth paste and then thinning with the remaining water. Place on heat and stir constantly until it thickens and bubbles. Let it bubble for about 30 seconds and remove from heat. Whip in the margarine (and mustard). The sauce may get thick if it sits for a while. If so, heat it up and whip in a small amount of water. VARIATION: For a richer, stretchier sauce that's good on pizza, substitute for the flour 3 Tbsp cornstarch and 1 Tbsp flour, whip in 1 cup oil instead of margarine, add as much as 1 cup more water at the end, as needed to make a thick, smooth, pourable sauce. Pour it on your pizza and for the last few minutes of baking, put it under the broiler (grill for those in the UK), until it forms a stretchy, golden-brown speckled skin.
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:47 pm
;o;!
I did not know this!
However, due to my lack of money and my lifestyle, I hardly ever get cheese. Plus, I've cut out all meats from my diet, so I need all the nutrition I can get. ._.;
I feel a bit selfish for saying that, but I can't help it.
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:00 pm
Is veggie slices included in that, too?
.____.
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:36 pm
Kaioto_Katsuma Actually, I just discovered this myself yesterday, when I was surfing around on wikipedia. (Discovered it in an article about Kosher foods). I was hoping to get some advice from people... I am very poor right now (As in, every month I have to sell whatever I can to make rent), so I really can't afford to go for the more expensive vegetarian cheese. Nor can I give it up alltogether, because cheese has been the main source of calcium and protein for me in lieu of the more expensive calcium-rich vegetables and protein-rich nuts. I find myself absolutely repulsed by this, but in all honesty, it comes down to morality or health. If I cut cheese out of my diet, as it stands now, I will be sorely malnourished. Is it wrong, then, to keep eating it, knowing the harm it does to other lives? I've thought of a compromise - eating it until I can secure a steady job and be able to make the switch to a less cruel alternative - but I'm not sure if that's morally acceptable given my current situation or just an excuse because more than half of my favorite foods have cheese in them. I became a vegetarian because I don't want to be the cause of any undue suffering. I have suffered enough at the hands of others, that I don't want to cause any harm to life where I can help it. But I'm not really sure, at this point, that I can help that... Any advice?
Soy milk for your calcium and vitamin D. One glass has 33% of your recommended daily values. As for protein, tofu, tempeh, seitan, beans, & nuts. Trader Joe's has ridiculously inexpensive nuts. Beans though, seriously, they're high in protein, super cheap, easy to find, and great for you. Soy milk also contains 6 grams of protein in every cup. These products are also much less expensive than cheese. Cheese is also pretty shitty for your body - high cholesterol and saturated fat.
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:39 pm
Jin_the_Kaze ;o;! I did not know this! However, due to my lack of money and my lifestyle, I hardly ever get cheese. Plus, I've cut out all meats from my diet, so I need all the nutrition I can get. ._.; I feel a bit selfish for saying that, but I can't help it.
Cheese isn't really a great food for you - it's loaded with cholesterol and saturated fat. There are much less expensive and way healthier ways to get calcium, vitamin D, and protein. A glass of soy milk contains 33% of both your calcium and vitamin D, as well as 6 grams of protein per cup. It's also cholesterol free and much lower in fat. Nuts contain good fats & protein, they're ridiculously inexpensive at Trader Joe's. You could also opt for natural peanut butter, not the best option, but inexpensive and contains a fair amount of protein. Of course, the best and most inexpensive sources would be tofu, beans, seitan, and tempeh. Seriously, beans are so inexpensive and great for you.
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:52 am
there are better ways to get more calcium. also, you need to worry about other minerals that help your body absorb calcium (magnesium comes to mind.) imagine your body like a living chemistry system- you need to balance everything, not just one specific part.
anyways, here are some foods that have good calcium, magnesium (and phosphorus, which i think helps, too)
(all is one cup)
raw spinach is really, really, really good for you (as all leafy green veggies are.) it has 30mg calcium, 24mg of magnesium, 15mg of phosphorus (among a lot of other good things, like fibre.)
raw okra: has 81mg calcium, 57mg of magnesium, 63mg of phosphorus
raw dandelion greens: has 103mg calcium, 20mg of magnesium, 36mg of phosphorus (i bet you have some neighbours that just pull this weed out of the ground....look, it's free! haha)
raw garlic: has 246mg calcium, 34mg of magnesium, 208mg of phosphorus
compare to your average cheddar cheese: it has 952mg calcium, 37mg of magnesium, 676mg of phosphorus
i know this "looks" better then a lowly cup of spinach, but you're not getting all that calcium without the magnesium. it you're looking for more bang for your buck, i'd suggest finding foods that are more complete on their own, instead of mixing stuff up. the best way to do that is to eat lots of vegetables and fruit.
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:41 pm
GESUS!
I feel like vomiting now that I found that out.
D;
Goodness me, I need to take a nap.
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