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 Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:23 pm
This argument really gets me.
A reason to support abortion because there are "too many unwanted children."
When has humanity become so arrogant that those already alive can determine whether there are more people wanted on this Earth or not?
I mean seriously, who can decide if you're wanted or not, obviously we can't go about saying the world is full of Unwanted Adults, but people can say there are Unwanted Children and it's okay?
Children are people too.
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:43 pm
I like to say that plenty of child are wanted. Plenty of people want or like to adopt (maybe to help them or they can't have children of their own) but many can't due to money and other complications and issues cause of the systm.
How would they know that someone doesn't want them or not.
To me it's more like they don't want the child and think others must not or wouldn't want it either and use it as an excuse to justify abortion.
It also bugs me how some pro-choicers think that we only care about fetuses and nothing else, how would they know? Plenty of people helped others and plenty want to help but might not be able to, ect...really they need to know that just like not all pro-choicers are the same, not all pro-lifers are the same either.
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:35 pm
What really bothers me is the argument from authority when there is no authority.
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:01 am
Well, what bothers me about the argument is it betrays that those people see no value in humanity, only in what individual humans can give to society. Which, while it may be logical, isn't very humane.
Bottom line, once we decide which humans have value and which don't, we get into dangerous territory. But we're safe as long as we contain it to the defenseless, worthless humans, right? As long as we don't get hurt. As long as it's to our advantage. We can treat humans however we want. Humans don't have value until we say they do, and what gives us that authority? Surviving this long. Since we came out on the top of the foodchain, we decide who lives and who dies.
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:32 am
lymelady Well, what bothers me about the argument is it betrays that those people see no value in humanity, only in what individual humans can give to society. Which, while it may be logical, isn't very humane. Bottom line, once we decide which humans have value and which don't, we get into dangerous territory. But we're safe as long as we contain it to the defenseless, worthless humans, right? As long as we don't get hurt. As long as it's to our advantage. We can treat humans however we want. Humans don't have value until we say they do, and what gives us that authority? Surviving this long. Since we came out on the top of the foodchain, we decide who lives and who dies. We should totally support euthanasia of the homeless, and third world countries. Heck, we should support the death of those who disagree with our political views right? It's not uncommon for some of them to say "population control hits" on a pro-life marching rally after all.
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:18 pm
FreeArsenal lymelady Well, what bothers me about the argument is it betrays that those people see no value in humanity, only in what individual humans can give to society. Which, while it may be logical, isn't very humane. Bottom line, once we decide which humans have value and which don't, we get into dangerous territory. But we're safe as long as we contain it to the defenseless, worthless humans, right? As long as we don't get hurt. As long as it's to our advantage. We can treat humans however we want. Humans don't have value until we say they do, and what gives us that authority? Surviving this long. Since we came out on the top of the foodchain, we decide who lives and who dies. We should totally support euthanasia of the homeless, and third world countries. Heck, we should support the death of those who disagree with our political views right? It's not uncommon for some of them to say "population control hits" on a pro-life marching rally after all. That's true, there are those who threaten violence an awful lot, aren't there? Well and that's the thing. I really don't know where the line gets drawn. If it's okay to place values on humans based on how much they're wanted (which it is apparently), then where do we draw the line?
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:51 pm
It's horrible how some think that they can put a value on life as if it's worthless or because they don't want it. This world can be a scary place at times.
If they want population control then use birth control.
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:06 am
lymelady That's true, there are those who threaten violence an awful lot, aren't there? Well and that's the thing. I really don't know where the line gets drawn. If it's okay to place values on humans based on how much they're wanted (which it is apparently), then where do we draw the line? It's not just a question of "where" do we draw the line, but "who" has that authority to draw that line.
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:55 pm
The intellectual elite, of course. They're smart enough to do it! Surely, with high IQs and PhDs, they are qualified to rule the world.
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:17 pm
lymelady The intellectual elite, of course. They're smart enough to do it! Surely, with high IQs and PhDs, they are qualified to rule the world. I don't it has anything to do with high IQs or PhDs, I think it has more to do with money. Money=Power.
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:47 pm
I'm pretty sure she was actually joking. xd And the rich usually think of themselves as the intellectual elite, as they have enough money to buy an education. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:11 pm
Money huh... kind of pathetic if you ask me.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:28 pm
lymelady The intellectual elite, of course. They're smart enough to do it! Surely, with high IQs and PhDs, they are qualified to rule the world. Surely being pro-choice means they're qualified to rule the world, because if they were stupid, they'd be pro-life. rolleyes
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:38 am
PhD's, Doctorates.... those really mean nothing in the long run. You're going to die anyway.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:04 pm
FreeArsenal PhD's, Doctorates.... those really mean nothing in the long run. You're going to die anyway. That's a rather... Fatalistic view of things. o.o Personally, I'd love to get a doctorate, just so I can make people call me Dr. or Professor.
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