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 Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:17 pm
http://www.kswo.com/Global/story.asp?S=8142091Quote: Senate passes bill requiring ultrasounds prior to an abortion Associated Press - April 9, 2008 3:55 PM ET OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) - A bill to require abortion providers to perform an ultrasound examination on a woman before terminating her pregnancy has won final passage in the state Senate. The bill by Senator Todd Lamb was approved today on a 38-10 vote and now goes to Gov. Brad Henry. The measure expands on anti-abortion legislation passed in 2006 which requires abortion doctors to tell a woman she has a right to a free ultrasound exam at an offsite location. Lamb says his bill offers "sound, strong, good, family public policy." He says it's needed to give women more information before having a procedure they may later regret. Opponents say the measure is punitive to women having abortions. They also say the bill should exempt females who are the victims of rape or incest.
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:53 pm
I think that is a good idea, it might get them to think twice before going through with it and it proves our point that it's a living human being.
What I don't get is why a fetus conceived from rape or incent (which if forced is still rape) any different from the fetus that wasn't. A fetus is a fetus no matter how it was concieved.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:15 am
sachiko_sohma I think that is a good idea, it might get them to think twice before going through with it and it proves our point that it's a living human being. What I don't get is why a fetus conceived from rape or incent (which if forced is still rape) any different from the fetus that wasn't. A fetus is a fetus no matter how it was concieved. I agree, it's a wonderful idea, and I'm glad it was approved. 3nodding I also agree about your opinion on rape or incest. I know they are both terrible things... and I wish they didn't happen, but I don't think that a child should be aborted for that. Nonetheless, few of the abortions that occur are because of rape or incest anyway.
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:52 am
One thing I'm not understanding...
If it's a free ultrasound, why would the proponents of pro-choice protest? I mean, whether or not you get the ultrasound, what's going on inside is still going on whether you can feel or see it or not.
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:24 pm
FreeArsenal One thing I'm not understanding... If it's a free ultrasound, why would the proponents of pro-choice protest? I mean, whether or not you get the ultrasound, what's going on inside is still going on whether you can feel or see it or not. Because they see it as emotional manipulation to try and get women attached to those little parasites. Let me quote from an article from a really old thread. Quote: The latest weapon in the arsenal of these CPCs is showing pregnant women ultrasound images of the developing fetus, and it seems to be having a major effect on women. Focus on the Family, a Christian fascist organization that funds and promotes CPCs and has spent nearly $1.2 million on ultrasound machines, claims that nearly 70 percent of the women shown ultrasound decide against abortion. For a woman who is looking forward to giving birth, seeing an ultrasound image of her developing fetus can be a joyful thing. But the use of ultrasound to trick women into motherhood has nothing to do with providing decent medical care. It is an ugly act, using modern technology to yank women back into the ancient role of mothers and producers of babies. CPCs play on the fact that most women who grow up in this society have little knowledge about their bodies and that there is a certain mysticism attached to ultrasounds. The sound of the fetus's heart, amplified through the ultrasound machine to much louder than in real life, is used to tap into the enormous pressure so many women face from the cult of motherhood and the superstitious awe surrounding pregnancy. The CPCs tell these women that this is a baby they will be killing. Which, if a fetus is just a lump of tissue, I don't see why they're worried. You'd think it'd be better to make sure women see, well, as much as they can about it, so that they don't go on to have children later, see the ultrasound at the same point in time, and get affected the same way they would have earlier, only now, they're horror-stricken that they had an abortion. If it's really going to affect them that much, wouldn't it be better for them to know instead of having it hidden so they can make the most informed decision possible?
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:10 am
To "trick" women into motherhood?
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:36 pm
Yeah, apparently, knowing what's going on inside of her is a trick. The only way to not trick someone into something is to not have them see everything before making a decision. I mean, they might be tricked into thinking they're aborting babies instead of lumps of tissue, so that'll guilt them so they HAVE to go through with birth instead of abortion. It's a dirty, rotten trick.
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:07 am
Oh no, see, ultrasounds are actually just CGI images that are totally shopped. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:24 am
CGI's huh, wow we must have a lot of money or we're playing the same CGI over and over. mrgreen
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:56 am
Oh no, It's a procedurally based program that goes by one of two basic images, for male and female, then makes them move differently every time, within certain bounds. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:47 pm
I.Am Oh no, It's a procedurally based program that goes by one of two basic images, for male and female, then makes them move differently every time, within certain bounds. 3nodding Ah I see, kind of like a video game. mrgreen
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:40 pm
I love how they get pissy with us and say that we thing women can't make their own informed decisions about their body. Then when they try to pass a law which will inform women about what's going on in their body, they're all up in arms.
Seriously, if the woman can't handle seeing an ultrasound before her abortion she REALLY shouldn't be having one because chances are she's going to see one sooner and later and it's better she has the option of stopping herself BEFORE she does something irreversable than regretting her decision years later.
But of course this might take away from the profits of places that provide abortion and so it must be bad!
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:16 pm
FreeArsenal I.Am Oh no, It's a procedurally based program that goes by one of two basic images, for male and female, then makes them move differently every time, within certain bounds. 3nodding Ah I see, kind of like a video game. mrgreen Exactly! In fact, there's an easter egg where you can play Asteroids if you hit the right buttons. ninja
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:21 am
Beware the Jabberwock I love how they get pissy with us and say that we thing women can't make their own informed decisions about their body. Then when they try to pass a law which will inform women about what's going on in their body, they're all up in arms.
Seriously, if the woman can't handle seeing an ultrasound before her abortion she REALLY shouldn't be having one because chances are she's going to see one sooner and later and it's better she has the option of stopping herself BEFORE she does something irreversable than regretting her decision years later.
But of course this might take away from the profits of places that provide abortion and so it must be bad! There's also the danger that they'll become anti-choice and join the sidewalk counselors. If that happens enough, the public opinion on women's rights might start to go backwards as more and more women start joining the ranks of the anti-choicers, all from a trick designed to make them feel emotionally attached to the parasites invading their bodies. And of course this is at a time when women aren't thinking clearly because the parasites make their hormones go crazy, so they really aren't in the right state of mind, and are more likely to see that parasite as a baby. No I've seriously seen that argument before.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:07 pm
Yes we can't have that happen. Tricking people into mother with images of the parasite and educating them before they make their choice is evil and wrong.
Though playing Asteroids on it seems like fun, it reminds of an episode of Scrubs I just saw, where the medical doctors where all playing Pacman or something.
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