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 Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:08 am
This is something interesting I thought about in detail this morning.
We see Tifa go deep into Cloud's mind to find the real him and draw him out. To help Cloud piece everything together.
This scene is showing us that Cloud had feelings for Tifa, but more importantly, still had them.
Why does it show he still had them? Consider this. If Aeris has truely pushed his feelings for Tifa aside, why does Cloud's mind not reveal this?
Rather, his mind tells Tifa that he did everything for her. Would it not make sense to follow this up with, "But those feelings have changed."? Rather, not only does his mind not say that, but he tells Tifa to reveal her own feelings to Cloud. Cloud's mind is reinforcing that his feelings haven't changed, or else why tell Tifa to reveal hers? Why would Cloud be so happy to know she feels the same, if he has a new love?
We see Tifa obeying Cloud in the HW scene. Tifa knows what Cloud's mind told her, and knows how Cloud feels. She seems very upfront telling Cloud that words aren't the only way he can show how he feels. Whereas Tifa prior to the lifesteam, eg. her date with him, has a very difficult time even telling Cloud she has feelings, let alone giving him permission to express them with her. It is safe to say that she gains this confidence from what Cloud's mind has told her.
The fact that Cloud's own inner mind is telling her to believe in the two of them is proof alone that Cloud's feelings have not changed.
<3
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:05 am
smile Still pulling all these fantastic facts out
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:15 pm
A nice post, and a nice thought process. Not exactly breaking new ground, but still, it shows good sound thinking.
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:45 pm
Wow Ryu, so matter-of-factly. xd
But anways, I totally agree. biggrin If Aeris was of utmost importance, she would have appeared in his mind. Obviously this point is always vehemently attacked but it makes the most sense.
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:47 pm
"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I'm not." I agree with everyone else, heh heh. Your post was worded beautifully, and I could not agree more.
I've brought it up with Cleris fans many times before. Even if his memories were "from the past", who did they all revolve around? Cleris fans say "We find out who Cloud really is, not that Cloud loves Tifa."
But... the fact is that who Cloud is, includes Tifa. A lot of his "tender" memories are about her, and how he wanted to be strong for her, completly devotes himself to the promise they made... what more proof do Cleris fans need when the Ultimania says "Cloud and Tifa realize their feelings for one another". :/ Sheesh. heart
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:34 pm
VanillaStar16 smile Still pulling all these fantastic facts out Hey, I do what I can. XD @Ryushikaze: It shouldn't be groundbreaking eh? Though this kind of thought process would seem to be if I said it to Cleris. XP It's not really a new thought I had, but rather, the way to present it came to mind and I felt the need to share it. And also to hear comments and additions.
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:09 pm
Cleris fans like to say that the memories weren't all about Tifa and that she wasn't the utmost importance. Kinda funny since all three memories center strongly around Tifa...the promise, his secret wish, and how he saw Tifa sprawled on the ground close to death which ignited his anger to shank the lights out of Sephy. (Of course his village was part of it, but he said "Give mom, Tifa, and the villagers back!") <---Tifa is singled out. I heard one Cleris say that Tifa was just as important as his mom which was supposed to be a counter.....but if she's as important as his mom....then doesn't mean that she is extremely important to him? Lol.
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:08 pm
So I guess they missed the line when Cloud says everything he did he did because of her? XP
I agree. They are now trying to say Cloud only likes his mom as a friend? Hehe. That's just... sad. *shrugs* They'll say anything to try and suck all the romance out of iconic scenes like this.
I just find it amusing that Tifa and Cloud both have two very story dominant scenes. The lifestream, and the highwind. The first shows their feelings being revealed. The second shows them revealing them to eachother. These scenes stick out like a sore thumb, and yet, they are meaningless? Seems like bad storytelling to me.
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:16 pm
"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I'm not." There is only one scene that sticks out to me for Cleris, and that's when Aeris appears to Cloud in his dream after she leaves for the forgotten city. I won't deny that this seemed more than friendly, and a bit romantic, but I can still say that Cleris is quite obviously not intended, and this scene must be showing the importance of friendship and the perhaps foreshadowing of the loss of Aeris' character... rather than a "Cleris" scene.
Haha, Cleris fans seem to refer to Tifa as a mother all the time because she "is a part of Cloud's family" (Uh Husband Wife much? )
Even though Aeris is referred to as a mother on many occasions, and NOT just to the planet.
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:47 pm
I guess I never really saw it as romantic. *shrugs* To me that scene was more of Aeris coming to the main character, ie. you in the game, in a dream. Yes, Cloud's the main character, but I saw it as more of a, it's necessary to be Cloud who recieves the dream, than it's romantic that Cloud recieves the dream. Because we have Sephy coming in and stopping it from getting kinky... or does he? XP
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:29 pm
Balthea I guess I never really saw it as romantic. *shrugs* To me that scene was more of Aeris coming to the main character, ie. you in the game, in a dream. Yes, Cloud's the main character, but I saw it as more of a, it's necessary to be Cloud who recieves the dream, than it's romantic that Cloud recieves the dream. Because we have Sephy coming in and stopping it from getting kinky... or does he? XP "I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I'm not." No, kinkiness would definitely have to involve Zack too. *_*
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:42 pm
They want to label Tifa as the actual mother to Cloud AND the kids which annoys the heck out of me. Isn't it obvious that they have that "normal" family structure? Two adults, a man and a woman who both have fought together and shared intimate thoughts with one another. Do you label them as siblings raising two kids? No, you label them as parents raising two kids because parents raise kids! Plus, the staff themselves said that AC centers around the theme of family! One of the main conflicts, here's the tagline, "I guess that only works with real families."
Could it be anymore obvious?
A family broken apart, a father who left his family. Reunion Files: Tifa acts like any woman who was left behind by her man. <----
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:22 pm
Hehe, I love that line. Tifa acts like a woman who's been left by her man. Funny they'd say this while still trying to hit home the Cloud loves Aeris idea. SE really likes to show us just how much of a couple these two are eh? Even going on to say that Cloud and her compliment eachother. Quote: Nomura and Nozue worked hard to make Tifa to be a perfect balance with Cloud's character. Who really needs explaination of this quote eh? XP
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:48 pm
It doesn't get any better than that. biggrin Even their appearances in clothes were made to complement each other as said in Reunion Files.
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:03 am
Yes. Why make two people who aren't suppose to be seen as a couple compliment each other? XP
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