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 Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:03 pm
"...some said Jesus uses the power of Beelzebul, the ruler of demons to force demons out of the people.... "Every kingdom that is divided against itself will be destroyed... "If I forced demons out with Beezubels's power what power do your people force him out?... If I use the power of God.. then the Kingdom of God has come to you."
-If ones faith is strong enough it would acts a s a sheild would it not?
-If what Jesus said about the kingdoms is true wouldn't it be a great power to turn the Demon Kings own power against him? After all Jesus himself had said "If Satan is divided against himself his kingdom would not continue." So wouldn't harnessing the darkness power result in the glory of the Trinity if the indivivuals faith is strong enough?
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:31 pm
I have no clue what your trying to get to with your first point. . . heck i dont even know what type of sheild you are talking about
Alright to turn the Devil's Kingdom against itself, the deamons would have to turn against each other, you cannot convience them, or you would have to turn the Satian against the Deamons. . . er something like that. And you cannot convince Satian.
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:43 am
ill write it out from my bible if it helps .here.
jesus delivered a man from a demon that had kept him speechless. The demon gone, the man started talking a blue streak, taking the crowd by complete surprise. but some from the crowd were cynical. Black magic. They said. "some devil trick he's pulled from his sleeve. " Others were skeptical waiting around for him to prove himself with a spectacular miracle. Jesus knew what they were thinking and said. "Any country in civil war for very long is wasted. An constantly squabbling family falls to pieces. If satan cancels satan, is sthere any satan left? You accuse me of ganging up with the devil. The prince of de3mons to cast out demons. But if you're slinging devil mud at me. calling me a devil who kicks out devils, doesn't the mud stick to your own exocists? But if its Go'ds finger im pointing that sends the demons on their way, then God's kingdom is here for sure.
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:06 am
That is very different from my script... are you in the new testment or the old?
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:21 am
Alright that passage is only in the new testiment. And she has the message version of the bible. It's more modern than NIV, I want one, but i dont want to pay for it. . . and I'm not to much for stealing either. So I gotta wait or something.
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:41 pm
lol yeah stealing a bible of all things where within the first 200 hundred pages the words "thou shall not steal" are written wouldn't be good.
yeah its called the message in contemporary language. It's really neat, and completely possible to understand. It helps you to understand what the bible says and how to be, and it's actually helped me grow closer to God.
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 6:29 pm
What? It says "Thow shall not steal" in the message bible, well that ain't eazy to read. I thought it would have changed it to something along the lines of do not steal, or maybe dont steal anything, but not "thow shall not steal".
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 6:44 pm
Her bible really is easy to understand though. today at church when pastor was reading us a passage she pointed to the same one in her bible and it was talking bout the same thing but much clearer.
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:31 pm
-our faith is a shield, but we will all be questioned and persecuted doing the Lord's work
-to turn the power of Satan against himself would mean that one would have to get close to Satan, which means going against God. corruption does not come from without, but within.
there are Bibles on the internet if you can't afford a new one, i found a site with several translations, including the Message Bible. here it is.
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 8:19 pm
Razsminion "...some said Jesus uses the power of Beelzebul, the ruler of demons to force demons out of the people.... "Every kingdom that is divided against itself will be destroyed... "If I forced demons out with Beezubels's power what power do your people force him out?... If I use the power of God.. then the Kingdom of God has come to you." -If ones faith is strong enough it would acts a s a sheild would it not? -If what Jesus said about the kingdoms is true wouldn't it be a great power to turn the Demon Kings own power against him? After all Jesus himself had said "If Satan is divided against himself his kingdom would not continue." So wouldn't harnessing the darkness power result in the glory of the Trinity if the indivivuals faith is strong enough? Okie-day. As for the shield thing, if you mean like from physical pain, then no. Take Job for example. Physical pain is a test basically. As long as you can endure the physical pain, the reward in Heaven will be great. Now, for the rest. Keep in mind that God is God. He could completely destroy Satan if he wished. The only thing is, he doesn't want to. He wants there to be a decision here on Earth. He wants us to choose to love him, not have no other choice. Now, I catch something in there about Harnessing the power of darkness...If one's faith is strong enough, one would not harnes the darkness. One's light would shine so bright to cut the darkness like a knife. Is this somewhat an answer you were looking for?
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