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 Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:19 am
Am I the only person here who feels it's (kinda)wrong? sweatdrop
For the most part anyways.
Cats and dogs...I'm kinda iffy about, they usually have a choice. They could run out at any time, right.
But other animals. Like birds, rats, hamsters, bunnys, turtles, etc. They're trapped in a cage, and most veggies think it's totally all right. confused
Thoughts?
Opinions?
Counter-arguments?
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:03 pm
I feel that if the people are taking really good care of their animals and love them, then it's alright. But it's another story if they are abusing their animals.
I think it is a problem for people to keep tigers and the like as pets, though. But I suppose that is a whole other story, right?
My house has six people and six animals living in it, and I am perfectly fine. Heck, we even spoil our pets (even though it leads to obesity, which isn't healthy sweatdrop ) and love them. I feel much more comfortable in a house with animals in it (as long as it is clean), but that is just because I haven't gone one day in my life without an animal in my house.
-Abrasion
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:00 pm
I don't support buying animals; I only support adopting companion animals.
However, with small animals (rats, mice, hamsters) living "free" is dangerous - due to other companion animals, people (walking, rolling chairs), and housing hazards. However, these animals (rats especially) need time, in a safe, secure, room to run, explore, and play. Cages also need to be suitable, big enough, and clean. If you adopt an animal and take care of it well, I don't see the problem. Bunnies, on the other hand can live like dogs and cats, assuming you bunny-proof your house first.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:07 pm
I see nothing wrong in having an animal as a pet as long as you have the means to support the animal. By this I mean you must have some knowledge of all of the things the animal needs to live a happy, healthy life. People that do not have the financial means, living space, proper food, and time to support the animal then they should probably not have that animal as a pet.
I am so sick of seeing people bring in animals that they are not taking care of. Either they are too damn stupid to see what they are doing to their animals or they just don't care. I have been in endless situations where a dog or other animal is brought to me that has endured some form of neglect or abuse.
Too many people cannot take care of their pets properly and this is where I have a problem with people owning pets.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:40 pm
Domesticated animals cannot survive in the wild. I feel as if we should not keep companion animals, but we really have no choice for the time being. It is quite a complicated matter.
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:34 pm
Reverend Winter Domesticated animals cannot survive in the wild. I feel as if we should not keep companion animals, but we really have no choice for the time being. It is quite a complicated matter. That's very true. We've made a total mess out of this. The best thing to do is to adopt from an animal shelter, or take in strays in the neighborhood and never buy from a pet store or breeder. Those are just contributing to the problem, along with people's failure to spay/neuter their pets.
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:03 am
I know some of you will look down on me for doing this, but I have bought some of my pet rabbits from stores or breeders, but I don't think I'm "contributing to the problem", as deathpixie says.
There are, of course, certain stores that I refuse to even enter because of the cruel ways that they treat their rabbits, cramming them into small spaces, but I still know of one or two good places that are very nice to their animals and are very knowledgable about their care, and will even reccomend shelters to people who are interested. Of course, I still think that adopting from the House Rabbit Society shelters would be the best options, and I plan to do that next time, but I have no regrets about my other bunnies, because I love them all dearly...
Sure, some of you are no doubt starting to dislike me for this, and that's your choice, but hear me out. True, my late beloved bunny Susan was from a pet store, but he (I know, a boy named Susan... sweatdrop ) had a twisted leg that the pet store didn't even know where it came from, and it probably was there from birth, since he was the runt of the litter. Had I not bought him, he probably never would've gone to a good home because of his leg.
Another one, Pauken, actually came from an unexpected litter of one of my teacher's pets and would've been sold to a pet store or taken to a shelter had I not taken her in.
Ceilidh came from a breeder, but I don't think that breeders are quite as bad as some make them out to be. There's no crime in desiring a specific breed, and usually breeders are the only places to get them. As long as someone is careful and considerate in researching the breeder, and takes the time to visit where the pets are kept to make sure that the money does not go towards any sort of cruel treatment, I find nothing bad about getting a pet from a breeder. Where we got Ceilidh, the people were passionate about the Jersey Wooley rabbits, and wouldn't even let us take Ceilidh home without first having a lesson on proper care and diet, and made sure that we were experienced rabbit owners first.
So, I guess the point of this long rant is that nothing is quite as black-and-white as some might think. Even though shelters are really the best option, there are caring breeders and pet stores, and while some places are really bad, if someone is careful about finding humane places to get pets, then there is nothing wrong about it. The only people, in my opinion, who contribute to the problem are the ones who treat owning pets as impulse shopping and buy pets as birthday presents, without the careful planning and education that is neccessary to getting a pet.
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:38 pm
I do think breeding is a crime. There are billions of homeless animals and when there are "purebred" animals available, people will buy them. I don't understand how somebody could breed animals when there's an overpopulation crisis and animals being killed every day because there aren't enough homes.
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:43 pm
i have a pet bunny.
now that i've revamped my lifestyle, i feel terrible owning him. he is the most precious thing in the world, but by buying him, i support a terrible industry and speciesism. i love him to pieces and i'm glad that i offered him a good home, but i still feel bad. i'd let him free, but i can't, for obvious reasons.
i strongly doubt that i will ever own a pet again.
if i do, it MUST be adopted from a shelter. none of this breeding crap.
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:01 pm
Toasty Marshmallow i have a pet bunny.
now that i've revamped my lifestyle, i feel terrible owning him. he is the most precious thing in the world, but by buying him, i support a terrible industry and speciesism. i love him to pieces and i'm glad that i offered him a good home, but i still feel bad. i'd let him free, but i can't, for obvious reasons.
i strongly doubt that i will ever own a pet again.
if i do, it MUST be adopted from a shelter. none of this breeding crap.
If you have the time, love, resources, and ability to adopt a companion animal, do it! Millions are killed every year because there aren't enough homes. They would definitely appreciate a loving, compassionate, human friend and a safe home. (:
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:27 pm
v e g a n l i c i o u s Toasty Marshmallow i have a pet bunny.
now that i've revamped my lifestyle, i feel terrible owning him. he is the most precious thing in the world, but by buying him, i support a terrible industry and speciesism. i love him to pieces and i'm glad that i offered him a good home, but i still feel bad. i'd let him free, but i can't, for obvious reasons.
i strongly doubt that i will ever own a pet again.
if i do, it MUST be adopted from a shelter. none of this breeding crap.
If you have the time, love, resources, and ability to adopt a companion animal, do it! Millions are killed every year because there aren't enough homes. They would definitely appreciate a loving, compassionate, human friend and a safe home. (:
there's also foster care through the SPCA and i could raise kittens for adoption [:
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:03 pm
It depends.
Agreement:
They are being bought and sold, given away, they can be put down, etc. This is no better than slavery in many ways. They have no say in it, as they are unable to speak for themselves. They do not have the same rights as people.
Argument:
Unless the owner abuses them, I see no problem. I myself get my cats from shelters, hence why I have six. Two cats were going to be put down on the same day, so I got them both. I love them and take care of them. Only one of my current cats is not from a shelter, as she was born in my house. Her mother, God bless her soul, was feral and we took her in. We, unfortunately, had to put her mother down. She was dying of two failed kidneys and there was no way to do a transplant. I would give anything to have her back, but we put her down to stop her pain. It was completely ethical; they gave her something to numb the pain before. But, people who put the animal down because they can't take care of it or do not want it should be behind bars. If the pet is in a kind, loving home, it is fine. They are safer in most cases.
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:42 pm
Over time, I've changed my opinion on this issue. I support adopting companion animals and spaying/neutering all domesticated animals so no more are born.
Companion animals do add a lot to our lives but the vast majority are mistreated. 70% of dogs are given to new guardians or abandoned at shelters within the first 2 years of their lives, which is traumatic. Not to mention the many who are neglected, abused, tortured, murdered, etc. Some forms of torture (such as filling a pit with water and holding a dog's head underneath to "teach them not to dig") aren't even legally considered abuse.
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:07 am
I don't like people keeping fish or birds. Because... it's just too small... Dogs and cats and all the like I'm fine with, so long as they are taken care of properly and are happy.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:00 pm
Honestly, as a bit of an animal rights activist myself, this is a tricky one.
Personally, I think that if the animal is well cared for, fed, excercised, and given at least a marginal amount of freedom regularly (dog park for my dogs, and an hour or so of free reign in my "entertaining area" for my lizards); I don't have a problem with owning animals.
Unfortunately, the fact is that many breeds of dog have been so bred for their looks, size, and color of fur, that they could no longer survive in the wild. I think that it is only humane to care for an animal companion and that animal companions are capable of loving just as much as we humans do.
And honestly, a cold-blooded lizard could not live through Chicago winters if on its own.
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