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After arguments and many heated debates with many pro-choicers(including my parents) one thing I see in common with all of their arguments is that in order to make thier point they have to degrade human life. The first and foremost way it must be undermined is by claiming the unborn child is nothing more than a clump of cells with no brain function and as such it deserves no rights. This puts them in a position where they can determine which people have rights and which have none. We can already see this philosiphy spreading not only from abortion, but to grown people, as in the Terrie Schiavo case. They have determined that the inconvinence some mothers may have during pregnancy justifies the killing of the child.

Next after degrading the life of the child they must then degrade the state of living. They say that death is better than living in poverty or unfavorable conditions, they go on the assumption that living in society without optimum conditions is worse than death, and as such they have the right to determine wether the child lives or not. They do not stop to consider that just mabey the child would rather live even not in perfect conditions, than never to have the oppurtunity.

After they degrade human living they must next degrade pregnancy and provide the "benifits" to abortion. They must paint the image that pregnancy is horrible, painful, degrading, unfavorable, and burdensome. They must make the nine months it takes to give birth seem as if its destroying a womans life, and abortion the only remedy. They will point to high population increase and say that we do not need more people. They will point to problems in adoption systems and poverty, and try and show abortion as a "remedy". As the unborn child is not a human(in thier minds), it is not as important as "real" people.

Finally and most importantly, morality must be left out of the debate at all cost. We are not to talk about what is right and what is wrong, one must only talk in legal terms. It is crucial to thier arguments, because in reality thier debates cannot hold up on the grounds of what is moral. Thus religion, morality, and god cannot be included otherwise they will point to "separation of church and state" or say the you cannot "legalize morality". If abortion debates were to be based solely on what is moral, abortion would be legal in very few countries today.

In conclusion it is very obvious that the pro-choice argument lies in the defamation of life and the destrution of our basic principles. To them there is nothing special about humanity only clumps of cells, with morality being nothing more than something to be hidden.

Well, I don't agree with you. I treasure and love human life, and I'm pro-choice. It may seem contradictory, but I do see the fetus as human, and I think that it has all the potential in the world to be like you and me. There's one difference though-- It has to effect, greatly effect, someone's life to be born. People say there's always adoption, but I don't know if some people are strong enough to give birth to a child, and then give it away. Although, indeed, it is better than destroying the life altogether, not everyone sees it that way, and I have to respect that.

If someone wants to have an abortion, I have no right to decide if they should, or not. It doesn't matter if it's a life, or if it's living, or if you find it morally wrong. It's not your life to live, and you can't make decisions for people with what they should do with their lives.

So that's what it came down to, for me.

I've always had the opinion that People can be allowed to make mistakes, or choices that maybe aren't the smartest in their lives, because it's -their- choices, and they shouldn't have to make apologies for them. If they feel it's right at the time, and it was right in the context in which they did it, then no one has a right to judge.

I can't make the choices, or the judgements, on the women who feel what they are doing is their right. The fetus is a living human person, in my eyes, and it makes me sad that I have to make a choice in a issue between the independent life choices of a person, and the life of another, but... I guess that's why abortion's such an issue for me.

No, not really. Pregnancy and abortion are seperate, isolated situations all their own. They don't really have parallel situations.


You -could- do these things. You just would get punished for them. One of the main reasons I support abortion is because of its' legality. It's been made an isolated situation where it is perfectly legal to kill another person; No other situation like that exists in the world. Except maybe self-defence.

Morally, abortion is wrong in your mind. Morally, I see it as something that people need to dictate their own choices in life. It would be wonderful if abortion didn't exist, because I feel sympathy for the fetus. However, it does exist, and people are going to use it. As long as they don't abuse this medical procedure by having a flippant attitude about killing off the fetus, I wouldn't judge them at all. Ever.



I wish it was that black and white, lymelady. It can't JUST be about 'This is a human life inside you growing, you can't kill it, that's it.' I'm against the death penalty, and I think murder is atrocious, but we shouldn't punish people by ending their lives. I know it seems like I'm supporting the punishment of the fetus when it hasn't done anything, but what I'm really supporting is the right to make the choices in life you feel are right, without judgement from other people. I'd hate to think that I'd be judged for having sex at a young age, stealing chocolate from a store when I was 4, or anything like that. I'm not stupid, and I realize that you're not killing anyone in those scenarios, but there we are.

I'm trying to respect human life the best I can, but something inside me doesn't want me to go against the choice to abort-- it just resists so vehemently. Maybe it's my conscience, maybe it's something else. But it's hard for me to hear "You're degrading human life" because I know that's maybe what it looks like what I'm doing, even though it's not my intention.

So if abortion was illegal you would cease to support it?

Someone's attitude when they kill another does not dictate wheter what they did is wrong or not. The fact is that they did the act, wheter with malice or reluctance makes no difference. The question is do you feel more sympathy for the selfish whims of the mother or the life of the unborn child?

Not all choices are acceptable, if it was completely about what we chose to do with our lives, we would have anarchy. The only choices that we should have are ones that do not harm others and there is no way abortion falls into that catagory. Judging someone and standing up and saying what you are doing is wrong are two completely different things.

I know that, and I wish I didn't have to.

But not supporting abortion isn't something I'm ready to do, as long as abortion is a legal and viable choice.



Of course not-- but this, to me, is an isolated situation where I think that the choice to kill another is allowed. It's not something I support with sign-waving and dead-baby jokes, it's something I have to support because I don't feel right telling a woman what choice she has to make when it comes to a situation where she might have to support (or bond with and then give away) a child. It just doesn't seem fair or right to me.

I'm trying to be as rational as I can about this, because I don't support killing in any other situation in life, but I do support abortion. And... I don't know why, really.

No one in here supports putting mind control devices into the brains of women to keep them from making their own choices. We just don't support abortion being a legal option. It'll always be a choice, just like any other choice, but most of us feel it shouldn't be legal.

Saying it is wrong to kill is judging. But hey, I'll keep on judging then. I'm not about to tell anyone who did something wrong that moral relativity excuses their actions. I'm not going to tell Hitler and Stalin that they didn't have moral objections to their actions, so I'm not going to judge them.

You feel more sympathy towards the woman. No matter how much you wish you could feel equally sympathetic, if you did, you would not support abortion. You know me, and you know that I admire, respect, and like you. I think you're very compassionate, sympathetic, and always try to do the right thing, even if it costs you your personal comfort. I can say with all honesty that you are prochoice because you believe it is the best thing for humans. I cannot say, though, that you feel that the life of the mother and the life of the unborn child are worth the same.