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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:42 pm
Ok, for school, we have to do a research paper on an arguable topic. Of course, I chose gay marriage. Obviously, I'm STRONGLY for it. So what's the problem, you ask? Well, pretty much everyone else in my school is conservative and religious and they STRONGLY don't support it. I don't want people to hate me because of something I believe in, yet at the same time, the other side of my mind is saying, "Who cares if they hate you, as long as you stand up for what you believe in." I guess my point is: how do you guys deal with people that are strongly against homosexuality and gay marriage and how can I politely disagree with someone without wanting to rip their head off and parade it around town on a pike like in the French Revolution?
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:48 pm
xbookxwormx Ok, for school, we have to do a research paper on an arguable topic. Of course, I chose gay marriage. Obviously, I'm STRONGLY for it. So what's the problem, you ask? Well, pretty much everyone else in my school is conservative and religious and they STRONGLY don't support it. I don't want people to hate me because of something I believe in, yet at the same time, the other side of my mind is saying, "Who cares if they hate you, as long as you stand up for what you believe in." I guess my point is: how do you guys deal with people that are strongly against homosexuality and gay marriage and how can I politely disagree with someone without wanting to rip their head off and parade it around town on a pike like in the French Revolution? First off, is this paper only going to be read by your teacher, or will it be presented? If so, how - reading your paper, or participating in a debate about it? If you're simply doing a paper, then it shouldn't be a problem, since only your teacher will read it. If it's a debate, then make sure you can argue your point well. The way to politely disagree with someone is just that - politely disagree with them. Try not to condescend to people who disagree or start fights, because telling someone they're wrong and you're right in an insulting manner is both not how one debates and is a pretty poor way to get someone around to your point of view. Find out opposing points of view and do research to refute the arguments against you. Argue things logically and make sure you can back up your points, this is also good advice to follow on your paper. Good luck!
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the_forgotten_thought Captain
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:29 pm
i agree with Rosemary. about your question on how we deal with people who are against homosexuality, just think back to the closet and there's my answer. i mean, everyone is misunderstood about some factor in their life, and their gonna be hated for the misunderstanding. the easiest thing is to just ignore the haters and just hang out with cool people who accept you. but, if there's no one in your school who can except you, just don't advertise it. btw, if you have to present it but are afraid that people would hate you, the easiest answer would be to just change your topic. sorry if i wasn't a help or didn't make much sense. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:00 am
i would say to just respect their views, after all thats what your trying to get from them. if i were to express my views on it, it would be openly; not subjectfully. the most polite thing you can do is express your opinion when appropriate, and not to push it on people or be arogant as if that is the only way. i personally think that a number of people dont like it because they are religous. to that i say, god doesnt hate us. being gay is not a sin, it is the act of gay relations (intercourse, not dating) that is a sin. and we all sin, this one is no different. and number two, not everyone believes in god, or that practice that says its wrong. people all over the world get married, be that under god or ala, were all not subject to the same thing. i believe in god and know he loves me, even if i have sin, even if im bi. i hope this makes sence.
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:48 pm
Thanks everyone so far for your advice, I agree with everyone. I'm not sure if we're presenting or not. If we are presenting, I am not by any means going to change my topic. I think people need to be more open-minded and maybe I could persuade them to try to be more moderate and see both sides. I'm struggling because I don't want to be too biased since we have to state both sides of the argument. The things I've read that are against gay marriage are extremely religious and they also, not just say why gay marriage is completely horrible, but also bluntly bash gay people and say that the mean stereotypes about gay people are true. It makes me angry, but I'm trying not to be biased. I agree w/ what fave_lovie said, that I should respect their opinions because that's what I'm trying to get from them. That's true. I'll try my hardest to make the gay community look good (since we are). =]
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:10 pm
I dont think it is right that just because someone is different that they cant have the same rights as everyone eles....freedom my a**....its really not right of rour society to display that kind of behaviour just because someone has a different opinion of the AMERICAN WAY...
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:24 pm
The thing I like to point out is that accepting homosexuality is today's battle against prejudice. First it was Racial Integration, then it was women's rights, now its gay marriage. it was viewed very much the same way back then. society hasn't really changed.
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:56 am
well we all have extremly viable reasons and we are correct... the unfortunant thing is no one will listen to usplus the government keeps relying on the whole marriage is between one woman and one man thing to bcounter mormons homosexuals and paligamists of all kinds... ugh pig headed politicians always are the bane of open minded people ;-;
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:46 pm
i totally agree with all of you the project is long since been over but through my whole research, all of the articles against gay marriage pretty much just insulted gay people and failed to give good reasons against gay marriage i did get a good grade though mrgreen
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:13 pm
xbookxwormx i totally agree with all of you the project is long since been over but through my whole research, all of the articles against gay marriage pretty much just insulted gay people and failed to give good reasons against gay marriage i did get a good grade though mrgreen Awesome :3 How'd people react?
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Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:46 pm
I'm very catholic so I would have to say no for Church . *yes I'm gay but I'm still a very catholic person I don think God hates gay ppl but...I don't know in church it just doesn't fit... I don't know maybe it's just me. I consider it like "doing" it in you're parents room xD*
But in other ways it's should be legal. I mean people is people and deserve the same right as anyone else have. There for by state gay marriage should be legal. In my country in the capital it's legal. I'm happy that my country even if looked badly it's more open than others. They have same rights and obligations as everyone else because everyone is equal to the law and should be treated as equal . How ever I'm surprised that many 1st world countries doesn't have this law passed. It should because of the constitution of many of this which shares that "everyone it's equal to the law and have the same rights and obligations" it should be respected.
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:51 pm
xbookxwormx i totally agree with all of you the project is long since been over but through my whole research, all of the articles against gay marriage pretty much just insulted gay people and failed to give good reasons against gay marriage i did get a good grade though mrgreen i know whatcha mean about them only talking bad about gay people and not the actual marriage. me and my dad talk about gay marriage whenever we feel like debating (becuase hes only nice to gays when they're around and says mean things when their not crying ) all he ever says to back up his argument is that "it's gross and they shouldn't show that they do those things by wearing a ring. marriage is holy" blah blah blah. but so does that mean that your teacher believed in your position on the topic? better yet, did you have to present it? how did everyone feel?
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the_forgotten_thought Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:22 pm
hey
im strongly for it yet it is already very leagal in my contry i live in canada not every one is ok with gays but alot alot alot of ppl are ok with every thing like my familly my hole familly is ok with it so i think that they should make it leagal every where cus even some animals are gay why cant wee be biggrin
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:47 pm
oh i am so moving to canada now!!! biggrin
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the_forgotten_thought Captain
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:22 pm
There is no reason it should be illegal. It is sad that homophobia really governs peoples veiws and blinds them to see their decision hurts so many people. And wasn't marraige one of the basic rights in this country.
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