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 Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:35 am
So I am kind of scared. I have this friend. First, she always dresses in black (which I have no problem with, but she is stereotyped by most people as a goth), she is schizophrenic (sp?), she has severe depression, she has tried to kill herself countless times in various ways, she already goes to a therapist, which doesn't seem to be working, because I constantly see fresh slash marks on her arms.
I was talking to her the other day, and i found out she was pagan, so I'm like *w00t* I asked her if she was any particular sect of pagan (Wiccan, Druid, etc.) she said she didn't know. But she said that one time, she was really angry at her sister, so she cursed her, and her sis got really sick.
So basically, she practices dark magick, and does self-harm in the process. I hang out with her a lot, because my friend Justin and I always hang out, and she is always with him, so I can't just avoid her, even though she makes me incredibly nervous. And I want to help her, but I don't know if I should or not, or how to help her. Advice, anyone?
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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:37 am
Anaithnid So I am kind of scared. I have this friend. First, she always dresses in black (which I have no problem with, but she is stereotyped by most people as a goth), she is schizophrenic (sp?), she has severe depression, she has tried to kill herself countless times in various ways, she already goes to a therapist, which doesn't seem to be working, because I constantly see fresh slash marks on her arms. I was talking to her the other day, and i found out she was pagan, so I'm like *w00t* I asked her if she was any particular sect of pagan (Wiccan, Druid, etc.) she said she didn't know. But she said that one time, she was really angry at her sister, so she cursed her, and her sis got really sick. So basically, she practices dark magick, and does self-harm in the process. I hang out with her a lot, because my friend Justin and I always hang out, and she is always with him, so I can't just avoid her, even though she makes me incredibly nervous. And I want to help her, but I don't know if I should or not, or how to help her. Advice, anyone? First off, you can try a binding spell on her. Like what Sarah did to Nancy in The Craft. That is a spell that does work. I have used it before. You get some red ribbion and a photo of her and as you use up the whole length of the ribbon, you say over and over "I bind you _________. From doing harm to yourself and harm to other's." Second, try talking to your friend Justin and see if there's anyway he can work it out so you and she aren't around Third, just tell her the truth. Tell her she's scaring you and your scared for her well being and that you feel she could use some councling. If she lashes out at you with magic, then you PM me her name and I will help you break any spells she tries to throw at you
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Luck-In-Spades Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:21 am
She needs to be on medication. Just a therapist is not something that can help severe depression nor schizophorenia.
If you want to help her sister, then you need to do a hex-breaking spell. I am sure there is one in Cunningham's "Wicca: A guide for solidary practitioners," and can apply it to her to keep her safe.
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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:34 pm
Euthanasia of Sanity Anaithnid So I am kind of scared. I have this friend. First, she always dresses in black (which I have no problem with, but she is stereotyped by most people as a goth), she is schizophrenic (sp?), she has severe depression, she has tried to kill herself countless times in various ways, she already goes to a therapist, which doesn't seem to be working, because I constantly see fresh slash marks on her arms. I was talking to her the other day, and i found out she was pagan, so I'm like *w00t* I asked her if she was any particular sect of pagan (Wiccan, Druid, etc.) she said she didn't know. But she said that one time, she was really angry at her sister, so she cursed her, and her sis got really sick. So basically, she practices dark magick, and does self-harm in the process. I hang out with her a lot, because my friend Justin and I always hang out, and she is always with him, so I can't just avoid her, even though she makes me incredibly nervous. And I want to help her, but I don't know if I should or not, or how to help her. Advice, anyone? First off, you can try a binding spell on her. Like what Sarah did to Nancy in The Craft. That is a spell that does work. I have used it before. You get some red ribbion and a photo of her and as you use up the whole length of the ribbon, you say over and over "I bind you _________. From doing harm to yourself and harm to other's." Second, try talking to your friend Justin and see if there's anyway he can work it out so you and she aren't around Third, just tell her the truth. Tell her she's scaring you and your scared for her well being and that you feel she could use some councling. If she lashes out at you with magic, then you PM me her name and I will help you break any spells she tries to throw at you Careful there, don't give out 'spells'... If you bind someone, expesialy in that state, it will only cause more harm to herslef and others. Not in magic, but in physical harm. I STRONGLY disagree with the binding. I do agree with the defending yourself. Look in the book Luck-In-Spades mentioned, im sure you will find that useful. Again, don't bind. It will only make her grow stronger by being bound, and she will be more out of control when she is released, she breaks it, or absorbs it...
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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:56 pm
Thank you guys so much. I'm going to try to help her sister, and then just talk to Justin and see if we can hang out when she's not around. And I'll try to find a protection spell for myself just in case. Sound good?
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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:10 pm
With how unstable you are telling us this girl is....You should protect your friend as well...and maybe your own family and her's....I know that might sound like alot...but I would be worried about alot of people who would get on her bad side.
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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:17 pm
Anaithnid Thank you guys so much. I'm going to try to help her sister, and then just talk to Justin and see if we can hang out when she's not around. And I'll try to find a protection spell for myself just in case. Sound good? I'd add in to speak to her FAMILY. Also voice concerns to the school counselors when school restarts. The parents need to come to grips with the fact that their child is very very sick chemically, and needs to be forced into a hospital to be medicated to regularize her chemical output, or she'll probably kill herself, or her sister, or even your friend. sweatdrop It's a sad fact of life, but people with problems like that usualy never get better, because they refuse to take the medications and unless they're bound down against their will (which some human rights activists are trying to get made illegal... they're superficial and don't look at the big picture, in my opinion) theyw ill find away to keep the medicine from being in their system. They get paranoid and think the medicine is going to kill them. You need to get her condition as much attention as possible, and get your friend away from her.
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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:46 pm
Send her positive/ happy energy before you go to bed everynight...and definatly refer her to a person who can get her meds, and possibly more pscho therapy...
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 11:43 am
kyrana kirri Anaithnid Thank you guys so much. I'm going to try to help her sister, and then just talk to Justin and see if we can hang out when she's not around. And I'll try to find a protection spell for myself just in case. Sound good? I'd add in to speak to her FAMILY. Also voice concerns to the school counselors when school restarts. The parents need to come to grips with the fact that their child is very very sick chemically, and needs to be forced into a hospital to be medicated to regularize her chemical output, or she'll probably kill herself, or her sister, or even your friend. sweatdrop It's a sad fact of life, but people with problems like that usualy never get better, because they refuse to take the medications and unless they're bound down against their will (which some human rights activists are trying to get made illegal... they're superficial and don't look at the big picture, in my opinion) theyw ill find away to keep the medicine from being in their system. They get paranoid and think the medicine is going to kill them. You need to get her condition as much attention as possible, and get your friend away from her. Her family tried giving her medication before, and she just pretended to take it. And when they watched her and made sure she swallowed it, she just threw it up every time. Her parents aren't willing to really help her as far as I know. They really just don't seem to care. They see how depressed she is, and all they do is send her to a therapist twice a week, and try to get her to take meds. I could talk to her sister, and she could try talking to her parents.
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:51 am
maybe she really isn't pagan...... she posible could of made that up... just to be cool.... or made it up the fact her sister got hurt....
sorry... i just think
try and tell her about the pagan threefold law and "And ye harm none do what ye will"
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:57 am
Lilah-Clover maybe she really isn't pagan...... she posible could of made that up... just to be cool.... or made it up the fact her sister got hurt.... sorry... i just think try and tell her about the pagan threefold law and "And ye harm none do what ye will" I've noticed that alot of the younger generation around where I live, claim to abide by the rede, but they cut themselves, and constantly inquire me to teach them "Black Magic". These people disturb me, I've made one break down after a "Jedi"-like speech on the Darkside and the Power of light being greater.
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:12 pm
Dser Lilah-Clover maybe she really isn't pagan...... she posible could of made that up... just to be cool.... or made it up the fact her sister got hurt.... sorry... i just think try and tell her about the pagan threefold law and "And ye harm none do what ye will" I've noticed that alot of the younger generation around where I live, claim to abide by the rede, but they cut themselves, and constantly inquire me to teach them "Black Magic". These people disturb me, I've made one break down after a "Jedi"-like speech on the Darkside and the Power of light being greater. Haha, well, it's good to know someone out there is talking some sense into these crazy kids. Tis true, she could've just lied about being pagan, and/or her sister being sick. But there is just something about her that makes me uneasy. She gives off a strange and unsettling aura. I'm kind of hoping that if I leave this whole thing alone, the Threefold Law will just bite her in the a**, but that hasn't happened yet, so I will try to talk some sense into her.
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:37 pm
I dunno, I wouldnt mess with the depressed person, just leave her be or maybe convince her not to do stuff like this? As for her sister maybe just counter it, cast a spell on her for good health or something.
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:47 pm
Anaithnid Tis true, she could've just lied about being pagan, and/or her sister being sick. But there is just something about her that makes me uneasy. She gives off a strange and unsettling aura. I'm kind of hoping that if I leave this whole thing alone, the Threefold Law will just bite her in the a**, but that hasn't happened yet, so I will try to talk some sense into her. Just because she's pagan doesn't mean she follows the rede or the threefold law. That's geared towards the Wiccan crowd. And did you ever think that maybe her karma HAS caught up with her, in some way or another? If she's suicidal, self-mutilates and is incredibly depressed, might those be repercussions of her negative actions? These actions/emotions/etc could also be what gives you your uneasiness in regards to her aura. People that are troubled, upset, depressed, suicidal, mentally ill, etc. tend to give off different auras than a "normal person". My aura/vibes are very unstable, because I have/had all of the above at one time or another, as well as the fact that my empathy can be overpowering. If you were going to label my aura as a color, it would be a very dark purple/black, shifting between the two, with random bursts of other things. If she cuts and goes to a therapist, it doesn't mean her therapy is working, but it doesn't mean it's NOT working. If she cuts and is less inclined to killing herself, then go her. If it stops her from doing something worse, then I don't have a problem with it. Cutting was my anti-suicide for ages, and IF that's the case with her, I'd say cutting is better than the alternative. Is she an active negative magic practitioner, or was it a one-time thing? I think shielding yourself is a good idea, if you are planning on hanging out with her as often as you say you do. This will protect you from her negative energy seeping into you. Just my opinions.
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:35 pm
Angellen Anaithnid Tis true, she could've just lied about being pagan, and/or her sister being sick. But there is just something about her that makes me uneasy. She gives off a strange and unsettling aura. I'm kind of hoping that if I leave this whole thing alone, the Threefold Law will just bite her in the a**, but that hasn't happened yet, so I will try to talk some sense into her. Just because she's pagan doesn't mean she follows the rede or the threefold law. That's geared towards the Wiccan crowd. And did you ever think that maybe her karma HAS caught up with her, in some way or another? If she's suicidal, self-mutilates and is incredibly depressed, might those be repercussions of her negative actions? These actions/emotions/etc could also be what gives you your uneasiness in regards to her aura. People that are troubled, upset, depressed, suicidal, mentally ill, etc. tend to give off different auras than a "normal person". My aura/vibes are very unstable, because I have/had all of the above at one time or another, as well as the fact that my empathy can be overpowering. If you were going to label my aura as a color, it would be a very dark purple/black, shifting between the two, with random bursts of other things. If she cuts and goes to a therapist, it doesn't mean her therapy is working, but it doesn't mean it's NOT working. If she cuts and is less inclined to killing herself, then go her. If it stops her from doing something worse, then I don't have a problem with it. Cutting was my anti-suicide for ages, and IF that's the case with her, I'd say cutting is better than the alternative. Is she an active negative magic practitioner, or was it a one-time thing? I think shielding yourself is a good idea, if you are planning on hanging out with her as often as you say you do. This will protect you from her negative energy seeping into you. Just my opinions. I thank you very much for your opinions mrgreen And yes, she does practice negative magick on a regular basis. I mean, she doesn't go about hexing people every day or something, but it was not just a one-time thing. I do know that people who have mental issues give off a funny aura, because I am one of them as well. Seasonal Affective Disorder. People get weird vibes from me as the days get shorter and winter approaches. And I was suicidal for a bit, and everyone seemed to just stay away from me altogether. Anyway, after she told me about her past, I asked her if she still wanted to kill herself. And she said yes. I didn't want to ask what was stopping her, because it doesn't seem exactly proper to ask, "Well, then why aren't you dead yet?" So I don't know if cutting is helping her or not. And true, I didn't think about the fact that perhaps her karma has already caught up with her. If I shield myself properly, is there any way I could try to help her? Because I don't want things to get worse for her. I can see how wonderful a person she is beneath all of her problems, but I don't know how to get to that. Should I try like.. sending her positive energy or something? And in this case, would it be against the rede to cast a spell on her to try to help her?
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