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Jou Kyoushu

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:39 pm


Yet another one of my famous theories....

My theory is that if you have an item (we'll discuss the finer details later) you can deposit psi into an item and then retrieve it at a later time. Any comments anyone?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:43 pm


Could you please give us an example as to the uses of this?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:23 pm


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Could you please give us an example as to the uses of this?


Think of it as an energy battery, basically.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:46 am


energy vanish over time.. so your battery doesn't last much long..

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DrasBrisingr

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:04 am


ChiyuriYami
energy vanish over time.. so your battery doesn't last much long..
Disregarding the incoherence...the Law of Conservation of Energy states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed. By that, energy can't "vanish". If you mean the energy would slowly leak out over time, then that's different. But then, if it was possible to store energy in an object, then why wouldn't you be able to safeguard it against any leakage?

Please explain yourself. Preferably in a more coherent manner.

As for the OP, I've read that certain stones have energy-containing properties. But since I can neither remember where I've read it nor which stones, it might be something that you want to research a little. I don't think it was any obscure little fact I read. Just start Googling s**t and see what you come up with.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:40 am


Yay! Something I know a little about. Theoretically. Magicians have used crystals and stones to store energy for a while. I don't know if it would work for Psi (don't know much about it) but it works for spiritual energy in general. I read about it in several places, the only one I can remember off the top of my head though is Liber Null.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:48 pm


I can imagine that it would work, yeah. It's been spoken of in stories and in folklore for centuries. Stones naturally carry their own energies, so I can imagine that psi energy wouldn't really disrupt anything too much. I wouldn't recommend putting it in a container of non-natural material, nor would I really see the point of it, per say, but I'm sure it could be done.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:14 pm


DrasBrisingr
ChiyuriYami
energy vanish over time.. so your battery doesn't last much long..
Disregarding the incoherence...the Law of Conservation of Energy states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed. By that, energy can't "vanish". If you mean the energy would slowly leak out over time, then that's different. But then, if it was possible to store energy in an object, then why wouldn't you be able to safeguard it against any leakage?

Please explain yourself. Preferably in a more coherent manner.

As for the OP, I've read that certain stones have energy-containing properties. But since I can neither remember where I've read it nor which stones, it might be something that you want to research a little. I don't think it was any obscure little fact I read. Just start Googling s**t and see what you come up with.


your so called law is about physical energy.. spiritual energy work differently.. or can you explain why this world isn't over flooded with the constant spiritual energy that is created every seconds of most living thing?

if the energy vanishing I have experience many many times is just the energy leaking from where I left it then I trully wonder where it goes for it to be unable to be sensed?..

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DrasBrisingr

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:37 pm


ChiyuriYami
DrasBrisingr
ChiyuriYami
energy vanish over time.. so your battery doesn't last much long..
Disregarding the incoherence...the Law of Conservation of Energy states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed. By that, energy can't "vanish". If you mean the energy would slowly leak out over time, then that's different. But then, if it was possible to store energy in an object, then why wouldn't you be able to safeguard it against any leakage?

Please explain yourself. Preferably in a more coherent manner.

As for the OP, I've read that certain stones have energy-containing properties. But since I can neither remember where I've read it nor which stones, it might be something that you want to research a little. I don't think it was any obscure little fact I read. Just start Googling s**t and see what you come up with.


your so called law is about physical energy.. spiritual energy work differently.. or can you explain why this world isn't over flooded with the constant spiritual energy that is created every seconds of most living thing?

if the energy vanishing I have experience many many times is just the energy leaking from where I left it then I trully wonder where it goes for it to be unable to be sensed?..
Ha. Hahaha.

Ok. I'm going to go nice and slow, because I'm about 3 seconds away from an aneurism. My "so called law" isn't my law at all. It's Galileo's. I'm not sure if you know him. He's this really cool Italian guy I met in elementary school. I'm pretty sure you did, too. You just don't remember him. Middle school, at least.

The Law of Conservation of Mass/Energy isn't just something I pulled out of my a**. It's been around for hundreds of years. We (as in, the human race) pretty much take it as fact. At the very least it has proven difficult to disprove.

Spiritual energy is physical energy, at least as I see it. The world isn't flooded over with energy because energy is not created. It's transferred from other things.

If you're going to argue this point farther, please explain what exactly you mean by "spiritual energy". Perhaps I'm not understanding you.

And please don't argue against my "so called law". I'd eventually just throw my hands up in the air and tell you to read more about it here.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:28 pm


Calling it your law was just my way of saying I only follow laws I found myself and in the case of spiritual/psi energy, I haven't found such a law yet..

even if everyone call it energy, it doesn't mean it is the same kind of energy you are used to.. People could also find a unique word for it but so far most people only call it an energy for it can be seen as one even if it doesn't act like all the others...

As I see it, spiritual energy isn't physical energy for one simple fact... unlike physical energy, Laws of physic do not apply to it..
It is created, it also vanish, gravity have no hold into it, no physical object can move it on it's own, can't be touch, heard, taste, smell or see it.. It doesn't have a mass on it's own and so on..

if your practice psionics, the energy manipulation part of it, you usualy understand this on your own. But I'll have to guess you are:
A) someone who doesn't do anything of the kind there is in this guild.
B) one of the magick user who doesn't do psionics that are around the guild.
C) a Psionic user that goes for the more direct approche (telekinetis and such..)

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DrasBrisingr

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:49 pm


ChiyuriYami
Calling it your law was just my way of saying I only follow laws I found myself and in the case of spiritual/psi energy, I haven't found such a law yet..

even if everyone call it energy, it doesn't mean it is the same kind of energy you are used to.. People could also find a unique word for it but so far most people only call it an energy for it can be seen as one even if it doesn't act like all the others...

As I see it, spiritual energy isn't physical energy for one simple fact... unlike physical energy, Laws of physic do not apply to it..
It is created, it also vanish, gravity have no hold into it, no physical object can move it on it's own, can't be touch, heard, taste, smell or see it.. It doesn't have a mass on it's own and so on..

if your practice psionics, the energy manipulation part of it, you usualy understand this on your own. But I'll have to guess you are:
A) someone who doesn't do anything of the kind there is in this guild.
B) one of the magick user who doesn't do psionics that are around the guild.
C) a Psionic user that goes for the more direct approche (telekinetis and such..)
So...basically the only difference between "physical energy" and you "spiritual energy" is that it doesn't follow the laws of physics. Because "physical energy" doesn't really apply to any of those things, either.

But you still haven't told me exactly what it is. You've told me what it isn't.

Please don't assume s**t about me. I've been a mod of this guild for...a while, I've been with it since it started, and I've been involved in other Gaian communities similar to this one for years. I'm not stupid when it comes to psionics. A useful tool when you're trying to discuss a topic with someone is actually prompting them to give you their definition of the topic. It keeps us on the same page, so that we're not talking about 2 different things.

So I'm going to ask you again: define, to the best of your ability, this so-called "spiritual energy". Feel free to include properties (not things that it isn't), descriptions, and (short) personal anecdotes relating to the topic at hand.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:12 pm


There's really only one kind of energy in the world, that's the great thing about energy - it's extremely versatile. Energy always is, and always was, and always will be. It's an amazing chameleon, changing its shape and form to be and do many different things.

Take for example the cycle of life. We'll have to pick an arbitrary point, because our human brains can't really understand infinity.

So, say for example, a child is conceived. A part of the energy comes from the father and the mother and forms a zygote of energy that starts to grow, drawing more energy from the mother and the food that the mother consumes. The energy grows, becomes bigger, becomes formed into toes and eyes and brains and hearts and all that lovely stuff that makes up a human body. Eventually, the energy forms a solid being that can live independently of the mother and when the umbilical cord is cut at birth, the energy is neatly severed. Some of it goes back into the mother, some goes into the child, some is dissipated into the air around us. The child grows, taking it's energy from the food that it eats and the people that surround it and the air it breaths. Eventually the child grow into a woman who eventually shares her energy with a man and forms within herself a child, who shares her energy until the child is born and the umbilical cord is cut. The woman grows older and older until eventually the physical form is too decrepit with decay, a natural force in the universe, and must die. The soulic energy passes from the physical form and the physical form is interred in the earth where it begins to decay. The decaying matter becomes energy for the grass and the trees planted above the earth her physical form is buried in. The soulic matter may pass onto another realm, or it may hang around in the form of a ghost or spirit. The child she bore eventually visits her mothers grave and breaths in the oxygen that is released from the plants that surround her mother while the soulic energy of her mother touches the child as she visits her grave and passes into her, imbuing her with a sense of warmth and happiness and again the child becomes one with her mother. And on, and on, and on it continues, for ever and again.

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ChiyuriYami

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:12 pm


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Because "physical energy" doesn't really apply to any of those things, either.


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the Law of Conservation of Energy states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed.


that quite contradicting now isn't it?

I said that spiritual energy is created and can also vanish.. Now you say that physical energy does the same thing yet before you said it doesn't ...

So does it or doesn't it?


also I didn't say you are stupid about psionics.. just that you were ignorant about some of it.. Stupidity and ignorance aren't the same.

well that aside for now..

I did already try to explain what spiritual energy is..
It is something that most living beings create. It can't be touch, heard, taste, smell or seen... without it, those living beings wouldn't live at all. Dead things or unanimated things do not have spiritual energy on their own or produice some..

I really don't have much of a way to explain what it is other that then explaining what it isn't and a few little thing about it's existance and use..
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:37 pm


ChiyuriYami
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Because "physical energy" doesn't really apply to any of those things, either.


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the Law of Conservation of Energy states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed.


that quite contradicting now isn't it?

I said that spiritual energy is created and can also vanish.. Now you say that physical energy does the same thing yet before you said it doesn't ...

So does it or doesn't it?


also I didn't say you are stupid about psionics.. just that you were ignorant about some of it.. Stupidity and ignorance aren't the same.

well that aside for now..

I did already try to explain what spiritual energy is..
It is something that most living beings create. It can't be touch, heard, taste, smell or seen... without it, those living beings wouldn't live at all. Dead things or unanimated things do not have spiritual energy on their own or produice some..

I really don't have much of a way to explain what it is other that then explaining what it isn't and a few little thing about it's existance and use..
If you're going to quote me, quote all of what I say. I said that "physical energy" sounds similar to "spiritual energy" aside from the fact that "physical energy" obeys the laws of physics. Being created and "vanishing" are impossible of "physical energy" according to a law of physics. The one I stated.

Technically you didn't say I was ignorant, either. You led me to assume that you considered me stupid. If you wanted to specify, you should have done so. I don't, however, consider myself ignorant on many topics. If I'm ignorant about the topic at hand, it's because you have failed to explain to me exactly what the ******** it is we're talking about.

The closest thing I can...relate your "spiritual energy" to is some sort of..."life force"? So it's the energy that living things use to sustain life. Living things create it within themselves to...keep up vital life functions (keep heart beating, lungs expanding, stomach digesting, brain working, etc)? Or am I still missing what you're saying?

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