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 Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:14 pm
I've been wondering; If harry, as a baby, saw his parents die, then how is it that he could only see thestrals after he saw cedric die?
Does this make any sense to anyone else, because it seems to me that he should have been able to see them right away.
-discuss-
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:20 pm
I'm pretty sure the reason he had not always seen Thestrals was because when he was a baby he had been in a crib, or pushed behind his mother so that he was not able to actually see his parents die. He saw the green flash, but the actual curse and killing had not been in his view at the time. With Cedric he had been standing right next to him and had a clear view of the whole ordeal so after that he could see them.
I could be wrong though; that's just how I took the story to work out...
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:34 pm
I think that the be able to see thestrals has more to do with understanding death more than literally just seeing it. Even if Harry had seen his parents killed, he probably wouldn't have known what was going on or know and understand that he was seeing "death".
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:06 am
i see your point (to severussupporter)
i was gonna say something along those lines
plus,he wouldn't have remembered it happening as a baby
otherwise,he would've grown to understand it when he was older
or he could just simply not have seen it,like schnerkel said
idk,both of these ideas make sense
discussing things makes it even harder to figure out,as everyone has different ideas,and i'm extremely open-minded,so i see what everyone's getting at
so i'll come in thinking about one idea,then read what you've all said and be like "yeah,i understand where you're coming from.." and that goes on and on,lol
sometimes it'd be so much easier to be completely stubborn and be like "NOPE! I'M RIGHT! I'M ALWAYS RIGHT!" burning_eyes
idk what the emoticon's for,it just looks cool whee  name - salix
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Luna Lovegood - Ravenclaw
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:25 am
You know I was thinking this same thing the other day when I was reading the third book... because that is actually the first time Harry rides in the buggies up to the castle (remember first years cross the river and in the second they flew the Ford Anglia into the whomping willow) and it said the carts were being pulled by what Harry thought to be invisible horses....
And now I am going to write a letter to JK.
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:47 pm
I've been asking the same question lately. These answers above my comment sound like good answers .
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:52 pm
SeverusSupporter I think that the be able to see thestrals has more to do with understanding death more than literally just seeing it. Even if Harry had seen his parents killed, he probably wouldn't have known what was going on or know and understand that he was seeing "death". I completely agree, because I think that it's important for the death to really be understood, in its fullness. Not to mention, it very well may have been an oversight on JK's part, or possibly she just didn't think to bring the thestrals in until after Cedric's death. Also, the use of the thestrals and the fact that both Luna and Harry could see the thestrals brought them together, and Luna's a pretty crucial character. She's such a good foil for Harry that she's important enough to have something created from scratch just for her.
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:04 pm
I don't think that JK would have overseen something as large as death/thestrals in her books seeing as she has notebooks filled with little details about the plots. So I can't imagine something like that being over looked. But I do think that the whole understanding death bit sounds really good! In my opinion, I'll bet that was what Rowling had in mind.
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:08 am
SeverusSupporter I think that the be able to see thestrals has more to do with understanding death more than literally just seeing it. Even if Harry had seen his parents killed, he probably wouldn't have known what was going on or know and understand that he was seeing "death". I aggree with this answer.
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:27 pm
I think he couldn't see them before because he probably had his eyes slightly closed or something, but the big question is why he couldn't see them at the end of the fourth book. Then he would have really seen death.
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:25 pm
I think it's probably because he didn't understand what really happened at the time. Regardless of his magical ability, it wasn't a conventional killing. Not only that, that memory probably faded as he aged. Especially since as a child he was told they died in an accident. So he believed that all his life. And when he found out the truth, he couldn't call up that memory because he was just a baby. Ah but I over analyze.
In response to the poll, God it's mean but Cho should have died. She annoyed the heck out of me.
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:50 am
Maybe Harry just hadn't been exposed to them before. Or maybe it was an add-in that the writer liked.
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:06 pm
Schnerkel I'm pretty sure the reason he had not always seen Thestrals was because when he was a baby he had been in a crib, or pushed behind his mother so that he was not able to actually see his parents die. He saw the green flash, but the actual curse and killing had not been in his view at the time. With Cedric he had been standing right next to him and had a clear view of the whole ordeal so after that he could see them. I could be wrong though; that's just how I took the story to work out... You're not wrong. He was upstairs when James died, and in the crib when Lily died. [By the way, I didn't read any of the posts written in small font. My eye-sight is not that great, so I don't really bother to read those. So, sorry, if some of you already said something like this before.] Understanding death... Who'd be the judge of whether someone understood death? If you understood it partially, would you only see their heads or something?
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:12 pm
jillydepp is right how come harry couldn't see them his whole life it doesn't seem right
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:20 pm
Maybe because Harry didn't see the death of his mother. Maybe he was looking down or the other direction when the death happened. Or you have to understand death before you can see thestrals....well of course you'd have to see the death. We may never know why....
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