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 Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:31 am
Okay, this is off the subject about a fight like what's-er-face's. But, this one's more geared to the magic(k) subject.
Okay, everybody knows (or should know, I whouldn't doubt it if somebody didn't -Stares at everyone accusingly-) you have a magic life and a reality life. You know, your magic life is full of all your magic, and your reality life is revolving around... Reality, dur.
Okay, I got into a fight with my friend about who's magic life was worst. I kept saying mine (not that i'm emo -gives slightly forced smile-) because I have had my magic teacher (grandmother) die,i'm a healer and alot of people had high excpectations of healers, and basically I have pushed myself for years over the edge and downwards to study magic, oh and i've lost complete and utter memory of when I was young and studied magic, just of my magic life.
She goes "Just because magic hasn't hurt me doesn't mean i'm pampered" and crap. I told her to give me one reason and she just ignored me. She hardly works with magic, but then I do pity her. She doesn't know how fun of an obsession this is. But, she just wants people to feel sorry for her, or atleast that's what I think.
Basically, I have a qeustion. (How emo.) Has magic hurt anybody else in the guild? Or am I really like the only one? o-o (And, please help. I don't want my friendship to be torn apart)
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:38 am
What the hell is a magick life?
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:41 am
a**l Jesus What the hell is a magick life? >.> Agreed.
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:31 am
What's a reality life? sad
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:56 am
I have a question.
In either your "reality life" or your "magick life", do people often stare at you with a baffled look on their face, shake their head, advise you to slow down a little bit next time, and walk away?
Please, don't hyperventilate. I get the feeling that you're one of those people who talk so fast that they don't give themselves enough time to breathe. Just because, you know, I often feel lightheaded when reading some of your longer posts.
Take a breath, calm the hell down, and start over.
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:07 pm
However, I do have something else to say. And I don't feel like editing my post.
To address your final (and only) question, I do have something to add. I don't have any sort of "magick life." According to you, everyone has one, but since I don't practice magick, I can't exactly have one, now can I? Regardless of this fact, I do have something to say about things you dedicate a part of your life to. It's going to hurt you. Anything that you devote an extended amount of time to is almost certainly going to end up hurting you in one way or another. Especially since it sounds like you overload yourself with too high of expectations.
Quite frankly, I don't know where the hell you get your "facts", but it seems like most people in the guild haven't heard of them. You say people have high expectations of healers so you push yourself to work harder. Well, ******** people. Just because they expect you to be able to pull sage out of your a** and cure that kid of cancer doesn't mean you have to do it. Their expectations mean nothing. Don't do more than you can handle; it's not worth it.
Oh, and don't get into fights about whose life is worse. It never ends well. Perception is subjective. Just because Kid A can cope with living in a third-world country and being sold as a sex slave to a wealthy American family doesn't mean that Kid B, the middle-class white kid down the street with emotionally and occasionally physically abusive parents, has any less of a right to be "emo", as you so brusquely call it. So stop it. There will always be someone in a worse situation than you.
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:12 pm
I get what you're saying about having a magick and a reality life. I really do. To the point where two weeks ago in class I mentioned something similar and talked about how hard it can be trying to find the boundaries. I wasn't talking about magick versus 'real' life, I was talking liberal arts religious studies academia, versus everyday life. Like how I am constantly getting teased for how I speak when my filter switch doesn't kick in. The professor teased me relentlessly for this.
Let me give you some pointers. Don't call it your 'reality' life, that is extremely misleading and just begging for arguments. It's like when people use IRL (in real life) on the internet; well, hate to tell you folks, but in reality I am sitting on a computer talking to you, so it IS part of 'real' life. If the only spheres you struggle with are magickal and 'reality', maybe use 'mundane' or 'everyday' instead.
Second, not everyone is going to understand what you're trying to say, because not everyone separates the spheres of their life up in their mind like you, and I do. I don't have two spheres, I have many that I have to juggle: everyday life, job-life, writing-life, psychic-life, academia-life, religious academia-life, I could go on. But many people are able to move between those spheres seamlessly, to the point they don't even notice a difference, or don't see a point in separating them out. So assuming they do is going to get a bunch of mindless replies, unless you explain it better.
As far as the whole comparing life thing...whoa, I just got wicked deja vu. Sorry. whee
I'm basically going to be saying the same thing as Dras:
1) There is no point in comparing your life to another person's life in the way you are doing. It's meaningless, and will just end up in a pity-party argument that will get you nowhere, or will cost you your friendship.
2) We're all unique individuals in how we cope. For instance, I got through someone breaking into my house with ease, while other people may be traumatized by that for life. But, I haven't been able to get past moving to a new house after three years, while another person may adjust quickly. What one person finds traumatic, another person will brush off as nothing. So comparing how hard your life is to how hard another person's life is just based on objective events means absolutely nothing, since what really matters is the emotional, mental, and psychological impacts it has.
3) If you want to save your friendship, tell your friend it's pointless to compare how hard ya'lls lives are, and that you won't be doing that anymore.
As far as magick hurting my life, that's a toughie. I don't have a magickal life in the matter of spells, or ritualized actions. My psychic life is the next closest thing that I consider my magickal life. Has it hurt me? Of course. Has it helped me? Of course. It's just there, it's a part of me, I live with it, I grow with it, I learn with it.
I can really relate to you in pushing yourself too hard, as well as expectations. People have really high expectations of me because of what and who I am. I can't offer advice there, because I'm still struggling with it. But ultimately, it's not other's expectations that matter, but your own.
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:06 pm
I don't really call them "magickal" and "real" but I get what you're saying. Sometimes I feel like my dealings with the occult alienates me from other people because I feel like I have a deeper understanding of things than they do. When I see rain and trees and the sun and the ocean I can't help but think about all the symbolism each one holds from various traditions of esoterica and strangely enough, it all fits together for me.
I feel like I have a better idea of the big picture. But maybe that's just me.
As far as it actually making my life harder, like getting attacked by this thing or that; I don't think so. I do occasionally see s**t that I don't think other people see, like blobs of color or shadows or colors around people. Doesn't change that I still have to get up in the morning and try to get by.
As far as expectations go: As long as you're living up to your own then to Hell with everyone else, right? We can only do what we can.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:32 am
Eh, not too sure I'd say 'to hell with everyone else.' You still need to be a functioning member of society in some way shape or form. I think it would be better to say that your own self-worth shouldn't be wholely determined by other people. Have inner strength and don't rely entirely on the approval of others for your self-esteem and sense of identity.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:48 pm
Keziah Rose As far as magick hurting my life, that's a toughie. I don't have a magickal life in the matter of spells, or ritualized actions. My psychic life is the next closest thing that I consider my magickal life. Has it hurt me? Of course. Has it helped me? Of course. It's just there, it's a part of me, I live with it, I grow with it, I learn with it.
I don't do spells since I started scaring people. That's not what I want. So, I stopped.
Hardly any of my friends know that I'm psychic. They may alude to the fact that I am, but they respect my privacy in not mentioning it. I was even told today by some girl that I shouldn't be ashamed of being psychic. [ ;o I was doing a reading in my spare time in Forensics class ]
So. There's my two cents.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:43 pm
I took some of those qeustions offensive. And quite frankly, Dras you're starting to get on my nerves with your cussing, and about the whole "Cure the kid with cancer" You have no clue what you're talking about. I don't cure diseases,I heal wounds. And I get my facts from a low source. I beleive in a differ world, that's what I beleive in. I'll tell anybody the name if they care, just PM me. Dras, that was pretty rude. The whole "I don't know where the you get your "Facts", but they seem like most people in the guild haven't of them." Oh, you think? Oh, i'm sorry I don't beleive in the same magic(k) as you. I'm sorry my religion isn't popular. And, I was mad. Don't tell me what to do. I'll get into fights if I want to. It's not like i'm emo, it's just I want to show that girl that she has a good life. Dras, you take that back. The whole Quote: I do have something to say about things you dedicate a part of your life to. It's going to hurt you. Anything that you devote an extended amount of time to is almost certainly going to end up hurting you in one way or another. thing. My grandmother dedicated her life to magic(k) and healing. She taught me alot that she knew, and she wanted to me to get involved in magic(k), she never actually taught me everything about healing, she wanted me to take my own path. A path that I was comfortable with, but she still taught me some healing in case of emergencies. But seeing as I shouldn't linger in the past, shouldn't get in fights -five minutes later- I'll stop. If you post back at this, i'll ignore it. I'm changing the subject now.Has anybody heard of The Underwater Dragon Palace? I remember having a dream about something like that, but I hardly researched it. It's fine if nobody doesn't, it's just been bothering me. -Shrugs-
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:59 pm
Christ, I didn't mean to offend you. I didn't know my profanity was offending anyone, and I always said if anyone had a problem with it that I'd try to remember to nix it when speaking to them (or around them, if I can help it). I've never said that "popular" religions" are good, and that everything else is bad. Quite the contrary, I hate organized religion. You can believe whatever you want. I don't mean to sound like I want you to believe anything else. All I'm saying is that you should assume everyone else knows what you're talking about. aki7the7worried Okay, everybody knows (or should know, I whouldn't doubt it if somebody didn't -Stares at everyone accusingly-) you have a magic life and a reality life. I'm just saying that if you want to talk about things that you know (or suspect) that we don't know about, you're going to have to dumb it down for us. I'm not going to take back what I said. It's what I believe. You asked for help. You can't get all offended and crap (does that count as cussing? I don't know anymore) and tell me to take stuff back when I sincerely tried to help you out. I'm not saying you shouldn't dedicate your life to things. It's good to find some sort of "calling". In fact, you're lucky to be a "healer". I wish I had that kind of dedication and defined path. Instead I'm just kind of...wandering around aimlessly. I'm just saying that something you devote your life to is going to come at a price. It'll come with great benefits, but will almost certainly hurt you again before your life ends. You can ignore my post if you want. I wasn't trying to offend you. I was just trying to help (though, granted, I did start off roughly). But you should at least acknowledge the other people in the thread who have tried to help you and relate to you. You know, they're just trying to help, too.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:06 pm
DrasBrisingr Christ, I didn't mean to offend you. I didn't know my profanity was offending anyone, and I always said if anyone had a problem with it that I'd try to remember to nix it when speaking to them (or around them, if I can help it). I've never said that "popular" religions" are good, and that everything else is bad. Quite the contrary, I hate organized religion. You can believe whatever you want. I don't mean to sound like I want you to believe anything else. All I'm saying is that you should assume everyone else knows what you're talking about. aki7the7worried Okay, everybody knows (or should know, I whouldn't doubt it if somebody didn't -Stares at everyone accusingly-) you have a magic life and a reality life. I'm just saying that if you want to talk about things that you know (or suspect) that we don't know about, you're going to have to dumb it down for us. I'm not going to take back what I said. It's what I believe. You asked for help. You can't get all offended and crap (does that count as cussing? I don't know anymore) and tell me to take stuff back when I sincerely tried to help you out. I'm not saying you shouldn't dedicate your life to things. It's good to find some sort of "calling". In fact, you're lucky to be a "healer". I wish I had that kind of dedication and defined path. Instead I'm just kind of...wandering around aimlessly. I'm just saying that something you devote your life to is going to come at a price. It'll come with great benefits, but will almost certainly hurt you again before your life ends. You can ignore my post if you want. I wasn't trying to offend you. I was just trying to help (though, granted, I did start off roughly). But you should at least acknowledge the other people in the thread who have tried to help you and relate to you. You know, they're just trying to help, too. .-. .... ...... .. ..... ... Heh, you'd think because i've been writing stories for so long i'd have words. sweatdrop sweatdrop << >>
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:22 pm
Quote: I do have something to say about things you dedicate a part of your life to. It's going to hurt you. Anything that you devote an extended amount of time to is almost certainly going to end up hurting you in one way or another. *raises hand* Permission to speak? I understand totally what Dras was saying, and it's not offensive or mean or rude...it's just the truth. Maybe I'm beating a dead horse (I HATE that phrase--anyone have a good substitute for it?) but I just feel I might be able to make it more clear. For instance, I'm an empath. I devote a good deal of time to it, because it's a part of me and it's important. It's a great thing, just like you can help heal physical wounds, my empathy lets me help heal emotional wounds by being there and understanding a person. I wouldn't get rid of it if I could. However, my empathy has also hurt me; I'll often go through what the person is going through as if it were my own emotions. Also, knowing how someone feels before they do sometimes can cause problems and fights. A more mundane example, hmm...art. I like to draw. I took art four years in high school. It was a great thing, it helped inspire others, and it helped provide me an outlet. However, when I went to school my style of drawing wasn't considered 'art', so I got a lot of heavy criticism, which made me drop out of art in college because I got stung too much. My self-esteem is still pretty low from that. It's not a bad thing, it's how life works. In fact, I think in the long run it's a good thing--it allows you the opportunity to truly stand for what you believe in. It makes you certain what things truly are important to you, and worth sticking through to the end despite the pain (I'm still an empath, and I started taking art classes again last semester). That, I think, is closer to what Dras meant. If I'm wrong, please correct me. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:27 pm
Keziah Rose Quote: I do have something to say about things you dedicate a part of your life to. It's going to hurt you. Anything that you devote an extended amount of time to is almost certainly going to end up hurting you in one way or another. *raises hand* Permission to speak? I understand totally what Dras was saying, and it's not offensive or mean or rude...it's just the truth. Maybe I'm beating a dead horse (I HATE that phrase--anyone have a good substitute for it?) but I just feel I might be able to make it more clear. For instance, I'm an empath. I devote a good deal of time to it, because it's a part of me and it's important. It's a great thing, just like you can help heal physical wounds, my empathy lets me help heal emotional wounds by being there and understanding a person. I wouldn't get rid of it if I could. However, my empathy has also hurt me; I'll often go through what the person is going through as if it were my own emotions. Also, knowing how someone feels before they do sometimes can cause problems and fights. A more mundane example, hmm...art. I like to draw. I took art four years in high school. It was a great thing, it helped inspire others, and it helped provide me an outlet. However, when I went to school my style of drawing wasn't considered 'art', so I got a lot of heavy criticism, which made me drop out of art in college because I got stung too much. My self-esteem is still pretty low from that. It's not a bad thing, it's how life works. In fact, I think in the long run it's a good thing--it allows you the opportunity to truly stand for what you believe in. It makes you certain what things truly are important to you, and worth sticking through to the end despite the pain (I'm still an empath, and I started taking art classes again last semester). That, I think, is closer to what Dras meant. If I'm wrong, please correct me. sweatdrop No, I mean, that's correct. I guess I should have provided examples or something. I just kind of assumed she'd...get it. Perhaps I should start taking my own advice, eh? Edit: Afterthought: I really didn't mean it to be offensive or rude. I mean...I can name things in my life that it applies to. I won't, but I can. It's something I believe is an inevitable part of life. People who never get (at least somewhat) hurt by the things and the people they love never really...live.
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