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 Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:56 pm
Yes! Happy Holidays everyone!
(sorry I'm a bit late for Hannukah and a few others)
What holidays are you guys all celebrating this year? Do you just celebrate them because your family is? Or do you truely believe in the true meaning of the holiday and party out?
How many parties have you been to this holiday season so far? I haven't been to any, thank gods, I can't stand Christmas parties... Unless its with people I like. xp
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:05 pm
Thanks for accepting me into this guild!
And um, I celebrate Christmas with my family. Its awesome. I love my family, and the joy and magic this time of year brings..
However.. I dont celebrate the birth of Jesus.. as most of my family does. No.. and I hope this doesnt offend anyone, we are, after all, in a tolerance guild. Heh, but I dont believe Jesus was born on that day. I think that was an attempt by the church, successful as it has been, to assume the old pagan holidays into their own.
That shouldnt suggest that I do no believe in Jesus himself, no. I believe he lived, as a great man, with great ideals, who tried to teach the world a great lesson. But through the years, as history has always been written by the winners, his message has been construded and turned into a powerful weapon of control. Rule by fear, rule by mind control. That, and feminine opression, are why I hold such disregard for certain "organized religions". Im much more a fan of "individual spirituality".
A great writer once scripted something like.. "There are many gods, and many goddesses, and only one initiator. And for every man, his own truth, and the god within." Thats a profound and wise saying, if ever there was one.
Well, Happy Yule. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:44 pm
I will be celebrating yule this year with my mom, friend, and possibly sister.
I will also be celebrating christmas with my dad, then again with my mom (as if yule wasn't enough), and then with bot grandparents (parents are divorced, so I get 4 christmasses).
but before christmas, comes the most important day of the yr. Dec. 22, my birthday (should be a national holiday).
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:48 pm
Celes Thanks for accepting me into this guild! And um, I celebrate Christmas with my family. Its awesome. I love my family, and the joy and magic this time of year brings.. However.. I dont celebrate the birth of Jesus.. as most of my family does. No.. and I hope this doesnt offend anyone, we are, after all, in a tolerance guild. Heh, but I dont believe Jesus was born on that day. I think that was an attempt by the church, successful as it has been, to assume the old pagan holidays into their own. That shouldnt suggest that I do no believe in Jesus himself, no. I believe he lived, as a great man, with great ideals, who tried to teach the world a great lesson. But through the years, as history has always been written by the winners, his message has been construded and turned into a powerful weapon of control. Rule by fear, rule by mind control. That, and feminine opression, are why I hold such disregard for certain "organized religions". Im much more a fan of "individual spirituality". A great writer once scripted something like.. "There are many gods, and many goddesses, and only one initiator. And for every man, his own truth, and the god within." Thats a profound and wise saying, if ever there was one. Well, Happy Yule. sweatdrop you are right in saying that jesus this wasn't the time that jesus was born, he was born in the summer, the christians made christmas by blending the idea of saint nick (one of their saints) and the pagan holiday yule.
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:07 pm
chaoticpuppet Celes Thanks for accepting me into this guild! And um, I celebrate Christmas with my family. Its awesome. I love my family, and the joy and magic this time of year brings.. However.. I dont celebrate the birth of Jesus.. as most of my family does. No.. and I hope this doesnt offend anyone, we are, after all, in a tolerance guild. Heh, but I dont believe Jesus was born on that day. I think that was an attempt by the church, successful as it has been, to assume the old pagan holidays into their own. That shouldnt suggest that I do no believe in Jesus himself, no. I believe he lived, as a great man, with great ideals, who tried to teach the world a great lesson. But through the years, as history has always been written by the winners, his message has been construded and turned into a powerful weapon of control. Rule by fear, rule by mind control. That, and feminine opression, are why I hold such disregard for certain "organized religions". Im much more a fan of "individual spirituality". A great writer once scripted something like.. "There are many gods, and many goddesses, and only one initiator. And for every man, his own truth, and the god within." Thats a profound and wise saying, if ever there was one. Well, Happy Yule. sweatdrop you are right in saying that jesus this wasn't the time that jesus was born, he was born in the summer, the christians made christmas by blending the idea of saint nick (one of their saints) and the pagan holiday yule. Well... I actually just found out about this particular section of it... Wikipedia Saturnalia (from the god Saturn) was the name the Romans gave to their holiday marking the Winter Solstice. Over the years, it expanded to a whole week, the 17th through 23rd of December. It also degenerated from mostly tomfoolery, marked chiefly by having masters and slaves switch places, to sometimes debauchery, so that among Christians the (lower case) word "saturnalia" came to mean "orgy." It was traditional for Romans to exchange gifts during this holiday. These gifts were customarily made of silver, although nearly anything could be given as a gift for the occasion. Several epigrams by the poet Martial survive, seemingly crafted as riddling gift-tags for gifts of food. The customary greeting for the occasion is "Io, Saturnalia!" -- io (pronounced "yo") being a Latin interjection related to "ho" (as in "Ho, there"). It has been postulated that Christians in the fourth century assigned December 25th as Christ's birthday (and thus Christmas) because pagans already observed this day as a holiday. This would sidestep the problem of eliminating an already popular holiday while Christianizing the population. It created other problems because of the coexistence of the two feasts: see Bishop Asterius of Amasea's New Year's sermon in 400 CE, discussed at the entry Lord of Misrule. The medieval celebration of the Feast of Fools was another continuation of Saturnalia into the Christian era.
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:14 pm
keep in mind, that romans weren't the only pagans, and the christians saw many other pagan traditions.
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:36 pm
chaoticpuppet keep in mind, that romans weren't the only pagans, and the christians saw many other pagan traditions. Yes. I know this...
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 5:08 am
I'll be celebrating Yule, on the 25th. I have 2 friends who were born on the 21st and my younger sister was born on the 22nd so I don't usually have enough time to do my celebrating on the 21st otherwise I would. Plus the rest of my family celebrates on the 25th and I'd rather celebrate with them. whee
On a note about the Christianity Christmas thing going on, it made me laugh as I had a discussion with my friend Nawal (Pronounced Noël.) about Christmas. She's Christian and was saying how it bugged her that people ruined her holiday because they lost sight of its meaning and stuff (Meaning the birth on Jesus.) so I said "But he was born in the summer." Apparently she already knew that because she said "Yeah. I know, that's weird." so I laughed and said "So technically you're killing the meaning of my holiday."
Sorry if that offended anyone. Nawal and I go back and forth at each other like that. It's not meant to be mean, I have many a Christian friend.
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 8:52 am
Yeah, I believe his birthday was actually suspected to be in August or something like that. Just the same, however, in our culture we "observe" many holidays on days that aren't exactly when particular events occured. Even if Jesus wasn't born on December 25th, that is the day people have chosen to celebrate his birth, so they should probably just stick to that instead of observing Christmas as solely a commercial holiday. If nothing else, it should at least be a time to enjoy family, and share closeness and be charitable.
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:54 pm
GameAngel64 Yeah, I believe his birthday was actually suspected to be in August or something like that. Just the same, however, in our culture we "observe" many holidays on days that aren't exactly when particular events occured. Even if Jesus wasn't born on December 25th, that is the day people have chosen to celebrate his birth, so they should probably just stick to that instead of observing Christmas as solely a commercial holiday. If nothing else, it should at least be a time to enjoy family, and share closeness and be charitable. Well, many people didnt "chose" to celebrate his birth on that day. They were either forced to, or just happened to be celebrating that day any way. I agree, it -is- very commercialized. This year I made evryones gift, instead of buying them..although, I did have to buy the supplies. Heh. But I knit scarves, and painted these wooden framed mirrors for my close friends and family. I also make a christmas ornament every year, for the past 6 years.. so thats another hand made gift everyone gets from me. Heh. I'll post it when its finished. I did it all digitaly this year, so that wont be hard. 3nodding Toxic ~ Haha, that story is pretty funny. I can relate!
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:39 pm
I'm celebrating Christmas with my family, mostly because I'm sixteen and my parents aren't particularly open minded in that area, much as they'd like to think they are. So, for the sake of a happy holiday, I'm just going with Christmas. The way I see it, the intent, at least for us, behind the holiday is the same - fun, good cheer and family - so it doesn't really matter right now.
Though of course, I plan to switch over to the Pagan holidays once I'm out on my own.
So while I don't necessarily believe in the Christian perception of Christmas, I believe it's an important day, and I believe in the feeling behind it. I also believe that Christ existed - perhaps as a Christian prophet, perhaps as the son of God, or perhaps as a simple man who knew a bit more about medicine and the Dead Sea than others (that SO explains the walking on water thing... Dead Sea + short and skinny man = miracle!).
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:17 pm
I just realized I didn't even answer my own topic questions. sweatdrop xp
I celebrate Christmas with my family, now personally, I don't care one way or the other whether Jesus was born on that day (No offense to anyone). I just like to get together with my favorite people in the whole wide world and have a good time with them. I don't believe in Jesus, but I don't not believe in Jesus. True agnosticism sucks xp . So celebrating any holiday in December is fine with me, so long as I'm not dragged to any boring parties.
Speaking of pagan traditions, most of the stuff people do on Christmas is pagan oriented: Christmas trees, yule logs, missletoe (I think, correct me if I'm wrong), and Santa Clause. Yes, he was originally a pagan spirit..I'll explain it if you want to know..
If I had it my way, there'd be a little of every religion in all the holidays. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 6:40 am
I'll be celebrating Christmas with my family, going to Midnight Mass and then to my Aunt's house. I may do a little something for the Winter Solstice too...
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Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 10:00 am
xdarktigress I don't believe in Jesus, but I don't not believe in Jesus. True agnosticism sucks xp . In a way... it does. I'm celebrating Christmas, but I stopped looking at it as Christ's birth when I was twelve. It has been my holiday to enjoy the peace with my family.
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Man-Hungry Conversationalist
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Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 10:27 am
I'll be participating in Christmas. I can't say I'll be celebrating it though... No one in my family places (or at least celebrates) the religious aspects of it anymore. And even just participating, gift-giving and christmas eve/day dinners are the only things we really do.
As for celebrating the sabbat, I'm not even sure if I'll have time, quite honestly. sweatdrop I have about 6 friends who are all visiting from various parts of the country all flying in at once, so I'm going to be incredibly busy for the next two weeks.
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