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 Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:00 pm
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:23 pm
I have no problem with it if two people are in love why should the Government stand in their way?
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:23 am
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:21 pm
Defently for it, Gays have need to have all the rights as everyone else.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:53 am
I'm for it. They should have all the same rights married heterosexuals have... especially when it comes to property.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:58 pm
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:01 pm
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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:32 pm
I'm for it. Here in New Zealand gays can have a 'civil union', which is essentially the same as marriage.
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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:51 pm
I'm for it, but in a somewhat different way.
Keep in mind as I write I am a married woman of 10 years in a heterosexual relationship with a child. In other words, a very normal American family. We're white, middle class, etc.
First of all, if your marriage (on a personal level) is shaken by Ed and Ted down the road living together, then what really is going on with your marriage? Mike and I, in our LP work, regularly work with activists in the GLBT community. We know one guy who is a bisexual who is good friends with a transgender person. It gets a little crazy out there.... "Uh, do I refer to you in which gender?" is a question I've had to ask. We've never split up over this. We've never had a fight about this. If you are having marital problems over the presence of gay people outside your marriage, you need a counselor.
Second, I don't think government should be involved in the process except perhaps as it regards survivorship and property benefits. I think churches and groves, atheist free gatherings and nondenominational wedding ministers can do the task of wedding people well enough. there are lots of religions that will marry GLBT people and they should be allowed to do so! I don't think we need DOMA OR a Gay Marriage Amendment, we just need government to get out of the way.
So yes I support the rights of GLBT people to share a lifelong union, blessed by the minister of their choice (or of an atheist freethought leader) free of the intrusions of the State
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:26 pm
I'm against it. I'm also against heterosexual marriage. Marriage is an outdated religious institution - if you are really ready for it you don't need it; if you think you need it, you shouldn't do it. You should trust the person you love enough to get by without making them wear a shackle on their finger. And you should never imagine that you will be together forever when you can't predict what will happen to you in the future.
Gay people shouldn't care about marriage. It's a dumb custom with no real future. They should focus on issues like gay priests and adoption laws instead, these are of actual importance to homosexuals.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:13 pm
Heteros take marriage for granted. It's interesting, Gays actually want to get married and heteros try to avoid marriage i.e. they make jokes and whatnot.
That's what I call taking marriage for granted.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:39 pm
CrazieDoily Heteros take marriage for granted. It's interesting, Gays actually want to get married and heteros try to avoid marriage i.e. they make jokes and whatnot. That's what I call taking marriage for granted. One thing we have in Paganism, or at least in Wicca (although I think there are equivalents in some of the other traditions) is a renewal of vows. Every year on our anniversaries, we renew our vows, or else we do it every Beltaine (May 1). It really helps to remind us that love is a volatile thing, and that love is a gift to be worked with and nurtured. I agree that the committment level among the GLBT community is highly laudable and something many heteros should be learning from instead of denigrating.
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:20 pm
I don't believe in 'vows'. If you have 'vows' it implies that you are a liar when you are not making a 'vow'. If you tell someone 'I love you', you should have the integrity to leave it at that and feel that that is enough, without having to say 'I vow that I love you.'
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:56 pm
Forsaken_Virgin I don't believe in 'vows'. If you have 'vows' it implies that you are a liar when you are not making a 'vow'. If you tell someone 'I love you', you should have the integrity to leave it at that and feel that that is enough, without having to say 'I vow that I love you.' i totally agree well put my friend
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:57 pm
Forsaken_Virgin I'm against it. I'm also against heterosexual marriage. Marriage is an outdated religious institution - if you are really ready for it you don't need it; if you think you need it, you shouldn't do it. You should trust the person you love enough to get by without making them wear a shackle on their finger. And you should never imagine that you will be together forever when you can't predict what will happen to you in the future. Gay people shouldn't care about marriage. It's a dumb custom with no real future. They should focus on issues like gay priests and adoption laws instead, these are of actual importance to homosexuals. I do agree that marriage is too religious and I don't like it either, and that its kind of outdated in a way, but people should still have the right to get married if they really want to.
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