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I want to preface all this by saying the following.

A day doesn't go by where I don't see someone post something that makes feel... pretty bad. I mean like, sometimes it's just a minor groan but other times, I can feel my stomach fall out through my bottom. It just hurts that much to have people say some of the things they do. Sometimes, it's not even painful, it's just shocking, and when it's neither, it's just insulting.

A thread exists in the PCG that has now become a Pro-life bashing thread, of sorts, where they anonymously post things that they poke fun at and complain about the absurdity of it. Well I thought it would be fitting if we copied that. But then I realized... no. That doesn't help anything.

So instead, we'll make a thread about things that just... make us feel pretty terrible. But when it's posted here, it shouldn't be meant to depress other people but... we can at least, all share in the pain of it together. Hmm? What say you?

I'll begin with the post that Texas was mentioning in the main forum: (X). I saw that posted and I was just like... "What?!". What do you say to that? How do you disprove that? Can you? So many things you want to say but... you can't.

Everyone please keep in mind that we don't openly slander names here, too. That's all.

Oh and it doesn't have to be abortion related.

I hate people in general.

I'm getting more than a wee bit tired of that appeal to emotion "What about RAPE VICTIMS???" Well, what about them? Rape victims make up such a small portion of abortions that frankly it's irrelevant.

Social Reasons (given as primary reason)
- Feels unready for child/responsibility 25%
- Feels she can't afford baby 23%
- Has all the children she wants/Other family responsibilities 19%
- Relationship problem/Single motherhood 8%
- Feels she isn't mature enough 7%
- Interference with education/career plans 4%
- Parents/Partner wants abortion <1%
- Other reasons <6.5%
TOTAL: 93%
(Approx.)

"Hard Cases" (given as primary reason)
- Mother's Health 4%
- Baby may have health problem 3%
- Rape or Incest <0.5%


TOTAL:


7%
(Approx.)



Poll Fact: An April 2004 Zogby poll found that 56% of Americans support legal abortion in only three or fewer circumstances: when the pregnancy results from rape or incest or when it threatens the life of the mother.

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/reasonsabortions.html

I hear you there. I try to argue with Pro-Choicers who try to bring up the "hard cases". Rape is a bit more of an issue, since there are Pro-Lifers both for and against a Rape Exception. But almost no one is against life-saving abortions, and it's silly when Pro-Choicers try to act like banning elective abortion will suddenly ban life-saving abortions!

And, with things like emergency contraceptive, there will probably be even fewer abortions from rape. When debating about abortion, one really should keep in mind that the vast majority of abortions are elective, a result of consensual sex, and mostly done before 12 weeks of pregnancy.

The vicious cycle... can it ever be escaped, I wonder?

Sadly I have to agree with you now a days. People keep doing and saying that's that makes me angry or upsets me.

A pro-life bashing thread where they bash people? How much lower can people get?

We never said to ban abortions for life and death situations, we just disagree with abortions where there are many other options invovled and when both are healthly.
I suggest to look at all options first and gave some links that could help, but some of pro-choicers, just ignored it then and yell me at for that.


I hated it when I used facts (from both a dictionary and medical dictionary to support it) and they flame saying that it's old and don't count or it'a a Christian dictionary (why would I use that? I'm not even a Christian). Nobody really seems to listen so I found that debate pointless and a waste of time.

[sarcasm mode on] Don't you KNOW that tocophobia is LETHAL??? ALWAYS? [sarcasm mode off]

This quote is from Wikipedia: "In 2000, an article published in the British Journal of Psychiatry (2000, 176: 83-85) described the fear of childbirth as a psychological disorder, when it had previously received little to no attention as such, in addition to introducing the term tokophobia (from the Greek tokos, meaning childbirth and phobos, meaning fear).

Phobia of childbirth, as with any phobia, can manifest through a number of symptoms including nightmares, difficulty in concentrating on work or on family activities, panic attacks and psychosomatic complaints. Often the fear of childbirth motivates a request for an elective caesarean section. Fear of labor pain is strongly associated with the fear of pain in general; a previous complicated childbirth, or inadequate pain relief, may cause the phobia to develop.

Debate currently rages within the obstetric and psychiatric communities regarding the woman's right to choose mode of delivery -- be it the right of a women to request a caesarean section, or emphasis on the methods available to help them attempt to overcome their fear of vaginal childbirth. Preliminary Swedish and Finnish reports demonstrated the results of treatment during pregnancy, when more than half of the women withdrew their request after being able to discuss their anxiety and fear and vaginal deliveries after treatment were successful.[citation needed]

Tokophobia is a distressing psychological disorder which may be overlooked by medical professionals; as well as specific phobia and anxiety disorders, tokophobia may be associated with depression and post-traumatic stress disorder. Recognition of tokophobia and close liaison with obstetricians or other medical specialists can help to reduce the severity of tokophobia and ensure efficient treatment."

I find myself questioning such sweeping statements as "I'll DIE before I give birth!!!!" It smacks of the drama queen to me.

I agree that some people have issues.

I might not like being pregnant or give birth but I know that pregnany is only nine months and labour at most takes a few hours up to a few days, while death is permanent.

And if I don't want the kid or can't care for it then that's what adoption is for.