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I find this quote from the ADT to be highly ironic. "Facts are not slanted either way, however, the pro-life side does not like facts." After all, WE'RE not the side dismissing a basic biological fact, i.e., z/e/f are nothing more and nothing LESS than vital stages of HUMAN development. They claim to love and value babies and children, totally ignoring the fact that without those basic stages, there would BE no babies and children. Every time I see someone casually dismissing it as "just a fetus", I have to cringe.

From my Psychology Professor:
"On that, I entirely agree with you. The significance of scientific findings tends to be blown out of proportion these days and it does more damage than benefit to science."

Moreover: These "FACTS" are like erect poles sticking up out of the ground. Either side can bend the foundation to make them favor their side.

Many "FACTS", too, are entirely, IRRELEVANT.

One just has to be quick to notice.

There are entire pages of spam. Just idle chatter.

If we wanted, we can report those.

Sometimes it's all fun.

Sometimes it's all very painful.

I don't know.

It's really funny because today, when I interjected a fact, someone told me I was committing a fallacy (Which I wasn't xd ) and that I was trying to manipulate people by using the word human, and I was trying to conjure up images of full-grown humans. It's not like I was using it because a fetus is, you know, biologically human.

I'm serious. This was the accusation when I pointed out how a fetus is biologically a human. From a rather reasonable person, too.

It's...amusing to me.

I didn't make any claim to fetal personhood, or even say that fetuses should be protected.

At all.

It was funny that she read that into my statement, and she did so because she knows I'm pro-life, but I said nothing of the sort, nor did I mean a fetus is a human being with the right to life by saying that a fetus is a human. I wasn't even trying to imply it, but since I'm pro-life, that MUST be what I was trying to do! I must have been saying that since a fetus will become a newborn human if it lives, it deserves to live! Sure, I never said it, or anything remotely like it, but that must be what I meant, because she says so.

But yeah, it's funny to me that we're the ones who don't like facts, because pointing out facts without debating seems to be a crime the way she's reacting. Not only is it a fallacy to use biology, it's an emotional appeal. I had no idea, I am going to march right up to every teacher and professor who ever taught me biology, and I'm going to slap them and go, "Why did you teach me fallacies and emotional appeals? You were supposed to teach me facts dammit!"

Initially I was going to say the same thing as everyone else here. Try picking up the literature that each side passes out and the pro-life literature is saturated with fact after fact, while most "choice" literature I've picked up was just rhetoric and twistings of words with few facts and fewer actually relevant ones.

They don't want us to know how many abortions occur. They don't want us to know the reasons, or the situations or the consequences. They definitely don't want us to know how many people get hurt or killed.

On the other hand, I do sometimes find myself shying away from "facts" in the debate. Unfortunately, because the people with the control of information about what actually goes on at clinics also have direct interests in keeping that same info as hidden and secret as possible. Furthermore, I believe that the statistics that do get published are only the ones they can get to look favorable, either by displaying misleading comparisons, or by omitting parts of the info.

For example, the people in the ED love to compare the publicized stats on deaths due to legal abortion to deaths due to illegal abortion and or deaths from childbirth. However I've never seen these published as actual, comprehensive numbers, and even if I did I'd doubt how accurate they are. Also, the stats I've seen compare deaths per 1000 pregnancies. Say there's 1000 pregnant women, and 300 of those have abortions. If 1 woman dies from her abortion, and 1 dies from childbirth then they pro-choicers will come back saying that 2 of 1000 women died from being pregnant and that abortion only caused 1 death per 1000 pregnancies so abortion is safer. In reality the women with abortions were twice as likely to die and not twice as safe, but it's so easy to twist statistics like this. That's not even accounting for the likelyhood that 5 women could have died from abortion and probably only 1, if any, of them would have actually been reported as death from abortion complications, and not "death from internal bleeding" with the records from the abortion being sealed.

So, with that in mind, I can see how they could claim that I don't like facts. The truth is that I LOVE facts, but I also don't trust facts when they come from clearly biased sources and are shrouded in secrecy and clever spins.

I was once in an abortion debate. This girl said that abortion is like a period. All the other choicers agreed with her. They said "Yeah, in-between menstruation cycles, the egg comes out..." etc.

That's the stupidest "fact" I've ever heard.

Yes they do make most of their arguments by twisting the truth and out right lying. But do you truly expect people who have no qualms about killing children to be bother by twisting of truths and lies?