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Blind Guardian the 2nd

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:52 am


This featured story is entirely true.

Dr. John Hasted, professor of experimental physics at Birkbeck College, University of London, crowded with many other scientists, including Dr. David Bohm, Birkbeck's physics professor, and writer Arthur Koestler into a 15 by 15 foot lab as his test subject arrived.

The Doctor used a Geiger counter upon the subject to check for presence of radioactive materials. There were none. Backround radiation was also checked and documented, and those present confirmed it was impossible to manufacture a reading from the Geiger counter by manhandling it or the cable it was attached to.

The subject was then handed the Geiger counter and asked to produce a reading by paranormal means. After two minutes, the chart recorder registered two large pulses, one of around 25 counts per second. At the same time, the subject (who could not see the chart recorder) reported "feeling a shock". After a further 16 minutes of concentration there was another pulse registered on the recorder and again 5 minutes later, during which the subject claimed to feel "prickly". During the experiment, a second chart recorder connected to a gaussmeter (for measuring magnetism) registered two large pulses which happened at the same time as the two large pulses on the Geiger counter.

The experiment was repeated again the next day under similar conditions. During a 25 minute session, another four abnormal pulses of around ten counts per second were produced by the subject, on demand. At the end of this second session all observers were asked to leave except for Dr. Hasted and Arthur Koestler so the subject could concentrate fully on producing an abnormal reading by paranormal means. Within three minutes, the subject produced a reading which was off the scale of the Geiger counter, but, according to Dr. Hasted, could have been as high as 200 counts.

This subject also has a name, but I'm not going to tell you that yet. What do you guys think of all this?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:48 am


Some folks on that old website psipog got a hold of a geiger counter I believe and did the same thing, almost. I'm pretty sure they got results too, not sure of what they were though. I always found this to be interesting. What does the geiger counter pick up when people are concentrating?


josiv


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Blind Guardian the 2nd

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:11 am


Well that's the thing. No-one knows. It could be the electromagnetics of the brain playing about with the electronics in the Geiger counter, and this is the most supported theory. Either that or the subject was producing an amount of radiation dangerous to everyone around him.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:14 am


Produce radiation?

Isn't that like... against the laws of physics? xd


josiv


Loiterer


Blind Guardian the 2nd

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:02 pm


a**l Jesus
Produce radiation?

Isn't that like... against the laws of physics? xd


Well, quite.

However, Giorgio Piccardi, Directer of the Institute for Physical Chemistry in Florence in 1960 found that water is influenced by fluctuations in the Earth's magnetism and solar eruptions to such a degree that it could change how certain chemical reactions would take place in water (in his particular case, the rate at which bismuth oxychloride formed a cloudy precipitate when introduced to H^2O).

This research suggests that water is susceptible to changes in electromagnetic radiation. Research in Brussels University has confirmed this. The human body is at least 80% water, meaning our chemical reactions will be influenced by electromagnetism also. Until 1960 when these results were published, such things would have been dismissed as sheer lunacy.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:37 pm


Quite interesting. However, considering the fact that if this indeed did happen and could catch the eyes of people, it would have long ago when the experiment happened. Also, the lack of trials makes it difficult to say that he proved anything going by basic scientific standards. If someone were able to recreate the experiment again then it should be proven but finding a genuine psychic is difficult and with every "psychic" that fails comes worse odds in favor of the experiment's success.

Regardless, a very interesting story. I'm curious as to why you have hid the name of the subject though. neutral

VivoDePyre


Blind Guardian the 2nd

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:57 pm


Pyrokin132
Quite interesting. However, considering the fact that if this indeed did happen and could catch the eyes of people, it would have long ago when the experiment happened. Also, the lack of trials makes it difficult to say that he proved anything going by basic scientific standards. If someone were able to recreate the experiment again then it should be proven but finding a genuine psychic is difficult and with every "psychic" that fails comes worse odds in favor of the experiment's success.

Regardless, a very interesting story. I'm curious as to why you have hid the name of the subject though. neutral


The experiment was replicated by a different scientist, Dr. John Taylor of King's College, London.

I don't understand what you mean by "lack of trials"?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:59 pm


i second pyrokin but i am interested in finding out what made the Geiger counter do such a thing ninja

fluffysteel2


Blind Guardian the 2nd

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:54 pm


fluffysteel2
i second pyrokin but i am interested in finding out what made the Geiger counter do such a thing ninja


Maybe it'd be a good investment for the Guild to try a similar experiment?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:08 pm


Okay, everybody else can understand what you are saying, but I cannot read this. I cannot understand this. o.o

aki7the7worried


Asherah Delphinia

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:10 pm


OH damn the name escapes me...Isn't it Uri Something? Uri Gellar? Bah I dunno.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:08 pm


Knola
OH damn the name escapes me...Isn't it Uri Something? Uri Gellar? Bah I dunno.


When he said he wasn't going to reveal the name I automatically thought of Uri Gellar, even though I don't really know if he was involved in the experiment, or if the experiment even took place at all.

I've seen people talk about playing around with a geiger counter in order to demonstrate psi before. My impression is that no matter how many Zener cards you can correctly name, or how many keys you can bend, or how many geiger counters or EMF meters you can set off, it still hasn't proved anything except that there's something anomalistic going on.

And if it was actually Uri Gellar that participated then I'm all the more wary of the experiment. Experiments in parapsychology have been going on since the middle of the last century and still it's not a widely accepted thing, as the results are usually inconclusive or they aren't repeatable. If the paranormal was going to step out of the realm of belief then it would have done so already, in my opinion.

If it was Gellar, James Randi has probably already come up with a clever explanation of how he did it, as that douche is always raining on everyones' parade; especially Uri Gellar's.

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VivoDePyre

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:41 pm


Blind Guardian the 2nd
Pyrokin132
Quite interesting. However, considering the fact that if this indeed did happen and could catch the eyes of people, it would have long ago when the experiment happened. Also, the lack of trials makes it difficult to say that he proved anything going by basic scientific standards. If someone were able to recreate the experiment again then it should be proven but finding a genuine psychic is difficult and with every "psychic" that fails comes worse odds in favor of the experiment's success.

Regardless, a very interesting story. I'm curious as to why you have hid the name of the subject though. neutral


The experiment was replicated by a different scientist, Dr. John Taylor of King's College, London.

I don't understand what you mean by "lack of trials"?

Well, in most cases, they do a ton of trials with psi experiments to help give it more weight. I guess I skimmed over the part about somebody else replicating the experiment.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:01 pm


Obscurus
If it was Gellar, James Randi has probably already come up with a clever explanation of how he did it, as that douche is always raining on everyones' parade; especially Uri Gellar's.

That reminds me of the move "Starship Troopers" were theres a debate on the tv the characters breifly watch were a professor (I'm assuming) is insisting that the "bugs" must have some kind of intelligent bug thats running the show from behind the scenes. And the person on the other side of the debate is a really good actor, cause I wanted to throttle the character and drown him in an unflaturing circumstance. He respond with "A bug that can think, I'm insulted" and then goes of to make inappropriate and silly moves and faces while the formerly mentioned "professor" breaks down with "I'm trying to be serious" or something to that effect. Later on, turns out the serious first person was correct.

Dorian Requiem


DrasBrisingr

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:16 pm


I've read this post so many times, and I still find it interesting. Is there some sort of primary source you have access to? One that you could perhaps link us to?
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