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 Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:56 pm
This is where you should discus the validity of any genre associated with metal.
Genres that are based on solely on lyrics:
Pirate Metal
Battle Metal
Genres that do have validity, but either have a really small number of bands, and/or are just usually mixed in with an already existing genre:
Symphonic Metal (there are bands that fit this but most bands classified as such are usually just another metal genre with symphonic elements added in)
Industrial Metal (Same as Symphonic)
Genres that are either just a scene, or are catch-all terms:
Post-Metal (catch-all term for anything with post-rock influence)
Avant-Garde (used for bands that are have so much mixed in you can't really place them into a single genre)
NWOBHM (name for the scene surrounding the uprising of many bands in britain during late 70s early 80s)
Hair Metal (Just a name for the scene, bands within this are either hard rock or just plain heavy metal)
Viking isn't listed because there is a musical basis for this genre, and there are plenty of bands within it, the main debate with this is really whether or not these musical differences are enough to warrant a new genre.
You are welcome to discus and debate validity of these genres (or any others not mentioned).
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:00 pm
As for Symphony X, yes they are Symphonic, but they are still firmly rooted in Prog/Power.
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:03 pm
Well, fine, I'll make a concession there.
But moving on...how about Epica? Particularly, their latest album "The Divine Conspiracy"? Aside from the very gothic single, Never Enough, that's about as symphonic as you can get, I think. Side note: there are a few passages and bridges that actually use drumming and male vocals from black metal.
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:10 pm
ashlander_alpha Well, fine, I'll make a concession there.
But moving on...how about Epica? Particularly, their latest album "The Divine Conspiracy"? Aside from the very gothic single, Never Enough, that's about as symphonic as you can get , I think. Side note: there are a few passages and bridges that actually use drumming and male vocals from black metal. I don't know, I'm not familiar with Epica, and I have only heard a couple songs. So I can't really say if it's different enough.
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:14 pm
Gravechylde ashlander_alpha Well, fine, I'll make a concession there.
But moving on...how about Epica? Particularly, their latest album "The Divine Conspiracy"? Aside from the very gothic single, Never Enough, that's about as symphonic as you can get , I think. Side note: there are a few passages and bridges that actually use drumming and male vocals from black metal. I don't know, I'm not familiar with Epica, and I have only heard a couple songs. So I can't really say if it's different enough.
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:23 pm
as for dimmu, stormblast was BM, and for al tid...maybe. but pretty much everything else theyve done i thrown into symphonic metal - although as you mentioned, goth metal could work.
and cof as "vampiric BM" is just a laugh
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:43 pm
ashlander_alpha Gravechylde ashlander_alpha Well, fine, I'll make a concession there.
But moving on...how about Epica? Particularly, their latest album "The Divine Conspiracy"? Aside from the very gothic single, Never Enough, that's about as symphonic as you can get , I think. Side note: there are a few passages and bridges that actually use drumming and male vocals from black metal. I don't know, I'm not familiar with Epica, and I have only heard a couple songs. So I can't really say if it's different enough. It definitely has more focus in the symphonic elements, but I wouldn't say that it's enough for it to move into a new genre.
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:49 pm
Gravechylde It definitely has more focus in the symphonic elements, but I wouldn't say that it's enough for it to move into a new genre.
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:54 pm
ashlander_alpha Gravechylde It definitely has more focus in the symphonic elements, but I wouldn't say that it's enough for it to move into a new genre. I'd say that they're still Gothic Metal, but with a stronger focus on the symphonics.
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:58 pm
Gravechylde ashlander_alpha Gravechylde It definitely has more focus in the symphonic elements, but I wouldn't say that it's enough for it to move into a new genre. I'd say that they're still Gothic Metal, but with a stronger focus on the symphonics.
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:00 pm
ashlander_alpha Gravechylde ashlander_alpha Gravechylde It definitely has more focus in the symphonic elements, but I wouldn't say that it's enough for it to move into a new genre. I'd say that they're still Gothic Metal, but with a stronger focus on the symphonics. No I wouldn't, Nightwish have a female singer, but I know they're Power not Gothic. And Paradise Lost's newer stuff is Gothic but they still have a male singer.
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:06 pm
Gravechylde No I wouldn't, Nightwish have a female singer, but I know they're Power not Gothic. And Paradise Lost's newer stuff is Gothic but they still have a male singer.
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:54 am
NWOBHM, great movement or greatest movement? Though... I don't know that many NWOBHM bands, I'd definitely say it's a splendid movement and you can still feel it's influence today.
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:34 pm
MegaTherion777 as for dimmu, stormblast was BM, and for al tid...maybe. but pretty much everything else theyve done i thrown into symphonic metal - although as you mentioned, goth metal could work. and cof as "vampiric BM" is just a laugh Last time I checked Dimmu was being lumped in the Extreme Gothic Metal category~ their later stuff anyway~ like Cradle of Filth. But since I do not follow the band I do not know whether or do it is still their official standing.
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:41 pm
The War Starter NWOBHM, great movement or greatest movement? Though... I don't know that many NWOBHM bands, I'd definitely say it's a splendid movement and you can still feel it's influence today. I'd say the greatest, of what I can think of of the top of my head at least.
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