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 Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:23 pm
 Besides me thinking this scene is not Cleris whatsoever due to the fact that if Tifa died, Cloud would have felt the same/worse, I thought of another thing.
When Aeris died, Cloud was still "Zack". Do you think some of his really strong feelings, were inspired by Zack's personality? Or do you think all of the painful things he felt, were all truly his?
I guess this doesn't really have to do with Cloti. Maybe I should move it to an off-topic area. rofl
*IsAmodSoGetsAwayWithItForNao*
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:32 pm
Well, I think a lot of the feelings he had were because well, even if he didn't love her, they were still pretty good friends at that point. I mean, how would you feel if one of the people you'd been fighting along side and become friends with just got stabbed through the stomach and murdered by the guy you were supposed to have killed 5 years ago, just after you were about to slice her head open? Not good I'd wager.
But anything beyond that, yes I would buy that those were spawned by Zack. A lot of Cloud's interactions with Aeris, probably had something to do with Zack -- not all, but a lot of 'em.
(Not gonna color code it because my brother's com has no right click and I'm too lazy to do it manually)
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:56 am
^^ I agree with Crisis Core Cloud. We all know Cloud and Aerith were friends, so of course seeing a friend murdered in front of you would do wonders on your emotions XD. Besides, Cloud had promised to be her body-guard and he failed to protect her (even though there was basically nothing he could have done to prevent it *grumbles about AC!Cloud*)...which really only aided that awakening of anger bit--"What about my pain? My fingers are tingling. My mouth is dry. My eyes are burning!" That isn't enough to base a claim of cloith on though...eh, I think he would have acted similar to any other fallen comrade--a little more so with Tifa though, purely because he's known her the longest an' depends on her mentally. All in all, I didn't see anything in that scene that could be interpreted as romantic....well, if you squint, lol, but that's only if you're looking for a Cloud an' Aerith moment.
About Zack...oh man, I really do stand by the fact idea that a lot of Cloud an' Aerith interactions were influenced by Zack. Aerith initially liked Cloud because he reminded her of Zack and Cloud...well, he was too screwed up in the head to pinpoint what he really felt an' what was bleeding through from Zack XDD. But about this scene...I think most of it was Cloud....even though I voted Zack, lol. I was confused.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:33 pm
The answer to all this is that....
Cloud never BECAME Zack.
Yes Cloud reminded Aerith of Zack, but NOT because his personality but because of his mannerisms.
Quote: Aerith: ......it's beautiful, isn't it? ......First off, it bothered me how you looked exactly like. Two completely different people, but look exactly the same. The way you walk, gesture... I think I must have seen him again, in you... But you're different. Things are different...
Basically it's the little things like the way he walked or how he holds his sword, that reminded her of Zack. It's not possible that Aerith could love Cloud because of Zack since they are nothing alike. And Cloud didnt adopt Zack's personality either.
Quote: Biggs "Cloud, eh? I'm..." Cloud "I don't care what your names are. Once this job's over... I'm outta here."
Not very Zack-like wouldn't you say?
And if you still think Cloud adopted Zack's personality you are wrong because Aerith says "Two completely different people, but look exactly the
same." Again, it's obvious that they are 2 different people but it's apperance and mannerisms that reminded her of Zack.
So to say that Cloud was 'inspired by Zack's personality' is completely absurd.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:03 pm
I'm not saying that Cloud took Zack's personality, but you can't say he didn't take some of Zack's memories. I think it's those memories that spurred things on. And you can't say that memories don't affect how you feel, because that's just idiocy. So, even if he didn't directly remember her, Cloud may have felt something from lost memories of Zack's that made him more drawn to her than he would be otherwise. That's all.
And you can't say he didn't take some of Zack's memories, because he remembers things that he as Cloud couldn't possibly remember, as said by Tifa even.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:56 pm
But I dont see any evidence for what your saying. :/ So which memories of Zack did he take, besides being a solider and such? There is no evidence to show Cloud knew anything about Aerith, especially not through Zack. You're really picking at straws here. That's all. : D
And I have something to add. If these also werent genuinely Cloud's feelings I'm sure SE would've said something about it.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:59 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. But I dont see any evidence for what your saying. :/ So which memories of Zack did he take, besides being a solider and such? There is no evidence to show Cloud knew anything about Aerith, especially not through Zack. You're really picking at straws here. That's all. : D
And I have something to add. If these also werent genuinely Cloud's feelings I'm sure SE would've said something about it. Let's see, that's a good point. The only memories Cloud seems to have taken are the ones from the past. Being a first class SOLDIER, etc. As for Zack's actual feelings--- that's debateable. Because Cloud does things that are "Zack-like" but he also does things that are "Cloud-like". And, what the hell are we to say what's "Cloud-Like" or "Zack-Like"? As being friends and such, they could've adapted some of each others personalities themselves. Though two people can be different, they can also share a few similar feelings and attributes as well, especially if they are close. And you're right Pink, if Cloud's feelings were cause by Zack's, I guess SE would've said something about it. Hmm. I guess it's something I will have to look more into. :] Believe me, I will! heart
Then, I'll report back here, lol.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:36 pm
I do think she would have roughed it out with Cloud after he got "better", had she lived. In fact, I think after he attacked her after getting the Black Materia she suspected something was wrong with him. In Advent Children, she does say, "I never blamed you. Not once."
The couple would struggle just like Cloud and Tifa do -- but they would question if their love was real or just a remnant of Zack.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:57 pm
Well, regardless, what I said is still my opinion, and my take on it. -shrug-
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:52 pm
Crisis Core Cloud Well, regardless, what I said is still my opinion, and my take on it. -shrug-  Agreed, agreed. We will all have our opinions, but I'd still like to research the matter further anyways. :]
@Talim--> Interesting! I always thought that the Cleris relationship didn't work as well because there were no conflicts. Really. But that's a conflict that could be a major problem! <3 IF they were together.
I wonder if they would be able to get over a conflict like that, or if it would tear them apart?
The world will never know. :]
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:53 am
Talim-Hime I do think she would have roughed it out with Cloud after he got "better", had she lived. In fact, I think after he attacked her after getting the Black Materia she suspected something was wrong with him. In Advent Children, she does say, "I never blamed you. Not once." The couple would struggle just like Cloud and Tifa do -- but they would question if their love was real or just a remnant of Zack. Mmm....another reason why I think Cleris doesn't work is the fact that Tifa is the only one who can bring the real Cloud back. If Aeris was still alive, Cloud would be in a constant state of conflict with himself. Random rushes of memory would attack him like at the Honeybee Inn and Aeris wouldn't be able to do anything about it.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:12 pm
Twindream Talim-Hime I do think she would have roughed it out with Cloud after he got "better", had she lived. In fact, I think after he attacked her after getting the Black Materia she suspected something was wrong with him. In Advent Children, she does say, "I never blamed you. Not once." The couple would struggle just like Cloud and Tifa do -- but they would question if their love was real or just a remnant of Zack. Mmm....another reason why I think Cleris doesn't work is the fact that Tifa is the only one who can bring the real Cloud back. If Aeris was still alive, Cloud would be in a constant state of conflict with himself. Random rushes of memory would attack him like at the Honeybee Inn and Aeris wouldn't be able to do anything about it.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:27 pm
But the fact that Aeris had Tifa do it instead of her, wouldn't that mean that Aeris was helping Cloud and Tifa get together? Or that Aeris was recognizing that Tifa would be more helpful in saving Cloud?
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:50 pm
Crisis Core Cloud But the fact that Aeris had Tifa do it instead of her, wouldn't that mean that Aeris was helping Cloud and Tifa get together? Or that Aeris was recognizing that Tifa would be more helpful in saving Cloud? Pink it's true that Aeris helped Tifa, but Aeris and Zack both said that Tifa was the only one who could be the one to help Cloud find his true self. Not just because she knew him in the past because really, according to some of you she didn't "know" him until they re-united in Avalanche. rofl
Anyway, Aeris even says that she's a bit jealous that Tifa is the one that is helping Cloud, and that she wished it was her instead. Zack then says it's something only "that girl" can do. Aeris agrees. Aeris would not have been able to help Cloud find his true self, and I think Maiden made that pretty clear. ^^;
I am a strong believer that Aeris did not know who the real Cloud was, until after Tifa unlocks his memories, and his true self.
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:00 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. Twindream Talim-Hime I do think she would have roughed it out with Cloud after he got "better", had she lived. In fact, I think after he attacked her after getting the Black Materia she suspected something was wrong with him. In Advent Children, she does say, "I never blamed you. Not once." The couple would struggle just like Cloud and Tifa do -- but they would question if their love was real or just a remnant of Zack. Mmm....another reason why I think Cleris doesn't work is the fact that Tifa is the only one who can bring the real Cloud back. If Aeris was still alive, Cloud would be in a constant state of conflict with himself. Random rushes of memory would attack him like at the Honeybee Inn and Aeris wouldn't be able to do anything about it. No, Zack was the one who pointed out that Cloud needed Tifa. Aeris was vexed until Zack pointed it out. And yeah, it's true that Cloud wouldn't have been able to go back without Aeris' intervention. (Wow....she sounds so otherworldly. xd ) Though, like Lunar said, Aeris was a bit jealous of Tifa because she's the only one who could take care of him now.
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