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| Where do you stand with abortion? |
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| Against It... After 3rd term |
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| For It... Only under special conditions |
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47% |
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| For It 100% |
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 Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:15 pm
ABORTION
What do you think of it?
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:19 pm
So I'm against abortion unless it puts the mothers life in danger.
(And I am a girl in real life, so no one better pull the "its the womans choice" crap... yes it is, but its your choice to use protection as well and you know what will happen if you don't use it! Learn from your mistakes!)
NO HARD FEELINGS ANYONE. I actually have friends who've gotten abortions and I don't hold it against them, or anyone else for that matter. I just don't think its right.
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:02 am
*steps back* I don't want any part of this train wreck... I personally am against the discussion of abortion lol..
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:09 am
lol smart move. (personaly I think guys should stay away from this debate because I dont think they have a say unless they have some type of medical back ground or their lover, wife or who ever has their child and is thinking of abortion or what not.)
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:38 pm
I'm against it 100%. See this is what bothers me about democrats, they say that "everyone" has their own choice, own lifestyle all that jazz. But when it comes to children and holding idiotic irresponsible teens that go around having sex for pleasure responsible for what they did, OH! that child in the girls stomach should die. cause you know even thought it has a heart and in the near future will be just as intelligent as you and I, it can't live.
You go against your own word. If you stick a dot on a sheet of paper *written from a pen or paper* thats when a infants heart starts to beat. That is a living being. Some people care more about their pets getting killed then the death of a child that will be more intelligent then the stupid dog!
And the girl is thinking "This will ruin my life! *sobs* I'm going to have no future!" A child will not destroy your life. If you most give it up for adoption. Don't resort to killing it. There are many other couples that are not able to have children that would accept the child.
I have no sympathy for women who have that happen because they knew, if they had sex, they could get pregnant. Oh, and don't bring me up on this rape junk. When a woman is raped, "normally* her body rejects the sperm. There are, though very very few, cases where the woman gets pregnant. If keeping the child will bring to much pain then give it up for adoption.
But what truly gets be P.Od. Is the fact that the guys that get the girls pregnant, they don't even care! What the heck is that about!?!?! if you go and have sex and get the gosh darn girl pregnant they you better MAKE SURE that that girl is healthy and taken care of and you better watch that child. You are just as responsible as the mom. I wish I could just punch every boy that ever got a girl pregnant.
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:46 pm
SongsOfTheEnchantedHeart I'm against it 100%. See this is what bothers me about democrats, they say that "everyone" has their own choice, own lifestyle all that jazz. But when it comes to children and holding idiotic irresponsible teens that go around having sex for pleasure responsible for what they did, OH! that child in the girls stomach should die. cause you know even thought it has a heart and in the near future will be just as intelligent as you and I, it can't live. You go against your own word. If you stick a dot on a sheet of paper *written from a pen or paper* thats when a infants heart starts to beat. That is a living being. Some people care more about their pets getting killed then the death of a child that will be more intelligent then the stupid dog! And the girl is thinking "This will ruin my life! *sobs* I'm going to have no future!" A child will not destroy your life. If you most give it up for adoption. Don't resort to killing it. There are many other couples that are not able to have children that would accept the child. I have no sympathy for women who have that happen because they knew, if they had sex, they could get pregnant. Oh, and don't bring me up on this rape junk. When a woman is raped, "normally* her body rejects the sperm. There are, though very very few, cases where the woman gets pregnant. If keeping the child will bring to much pain then give it up for adoption. But what truly gets be P.Od. Is the fact that the guys that get the girls pregnant, they don't even care! What the heck is that about!?!?! if you go and have sex and get the gosh darn girl pregnant they you better MAKE SURE that that girl is healthy and taken care of and you better watch that child. You are just as responsible as the mom. I wish I could just punch every boy that ever got a girl pregnant. *sigh* well Lunar I agree with what you said about guys staying out of it and I was going to stay out of it But she's really starting to push my buttons with all this anti democrat talk... I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything but here goes.... First things first.. NOT ALL DEMOCRATS ARE PRO ABORTION I wish people would understand that... And as far as that comment about boys not caring I personally went through an experience not to long ago that totally negates that entirely... A very close friend of mine got his girlfriend pregnant but his mother kept pushing them both to get an abortion. he himself wanted to be a father But his girlfriend didn't really care to have a child... After I talked to him and told him what to tell her He basically got her to change her mind.. after all this happened she decided to have the baby and keep it out of his and his mothers life (a decision I entirely Respect). Now that just goes to show you that not all boys don't care. If/when My wife gets pregnant Sure I'll be a little scared at first because believe it or not having a child is infact a LIFE ALTERING event. But I can swear that the thought of abortion will never cross my mind. and not because of that republican propaganda showing babies getting aborted and torn apart at 7months but because I want to be a father. and again if abortion was illegal Millions (and I'm not kidding here) of young girls will be found dead in back alley ways with bloody coat hangers sticking out of them... It's happened before research it..... Oh yea and you might want to think about the fact that over P percent of rape cased don't get reported. So really any statistic about rape related conception is going to be WAY off... Just sayin.... I'm not trying to spark a fire here or anything I totally respect your opinion but I'm just a little offend that you'd insult democrats like that.... And I totally agree with putting the child up for adoption My cousin had to do that because both he and his wife were mentally unfit to raise a child. But our countries adoption processes are seriously Messed up and a lot of reforms need to be made but that's another topic for another time.. again sorry for jumping in... Edit: And song if you would like to talk about this Pm Me or something I've got no problem explaining//defending my views... I've been doing it for years (my grandma, wife, and all but 1 of my inlaws are republicans ((makes for nice family gatherings)) )
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:46 am
Song, Davis, I think you guys really started something here. Lol.
Still...Isn't it really up to the parents to decide? We can sit here and say all we want about the subject, but it is...ultimately...a decision they have to make on their own. Seeing all those protestors and stuff on TV literally makes me want to laugh. Do they really think that if they stand there and scream long enough they'll frighten the people wanting an abortion into keeping their children? What is the point in protesting this? The protestors, the politicians...us right now...we have no true part in changing the ones set on abortion. We have to sit on the side lines, a totally seperate third party, and let them decide for themselves. No amount of talk can change that. More extreme measures such as closing abortion offices won't help either. Becuase, like Davis said, teens would try to kill the children on their own. If people really didn't want the children in the first place, Perhaps they should have used protection or just refrained from sex all together. In my opinion, matters like that should wait until both the potential mother and father are BOTH ready to have a child. If that were to happen we wouldn't need abortion iat all. But, what can you do? And I mean TRULLY do? We can talk about it all we want, and insult people all we want. But is that really going to stop teens...and other people for that matter from doing things they may regret later? Sometimes, protesting works, I'll admit it. But most of the time it seems to me, that all the crowds' screaming and objecting is merely falling on deaf ears. After all our actions are up to each of us aren't they?
((If I offended anyone I appologise. I TRY to speak from a neutral point of view. But sometimes what I say gets taken the wrong way. Lol....))
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:55 pm
Protesters make it hard for expecting mothers to get in and out of the clinics ... and effectively prevent abortion... I mean While I don't think abortion is right... I think that we can't just make it illegal without offering another viable solution and right now the adoption agencies of this country are so .... think of a nice word.... Messed up... That there isn't really a way we can just shut them down... So if all the protesters put their minds to fixing the problem instead of complaining about it maybe we'd be able to get something done about it... But until then the problem's just going to sit there.... growing...
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devilisnotagoodlookingman
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:23 am
There should be limits to it but it should be legal, like in casts of incest rape and to save the mothers life it should without a question be aloud, and there should be other limits to it too, make everyone happy thats my thing
Well you can't make everyone happy but if the mother is in need all she has to do is go to the hospital. They can't turn her down. If everyone in the world were happy then someone would get jealous and take it away. My point proven with adulf hitler.
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:47 am
Yea. I know its kinda is off the side lines of the topic but if people weren't so freaked out about teaching in depth sex ed to teens then a lot of teen pregnancy wouldn't happen. (Trust me. One of my best friends had two kids by the time she was outta high school.) I know a lot of parents are like "oh no we cant teach kids about sex!" well what happens when they go and try to have sex without knowing what to do?
I know school didn't teach me much and I almost got pregnant a few times but the thing is, I didn't go running to an abortion clinic, my ex-bf and I decided we would stick through with it if I was, I wasn't pregnant after all, but I was willing to give it up for adoption or what ever if that did happen while I was in high school (my ex and I were together almost 5 years). So if I of all people can stick through my mistakes I don't see why others cant.
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:20 pm
Psy Yen Song, Davis, I think you guys really started something here. Lol. Still...Isn't it really up to the parents to decide? We can sit here and say all we want about the subject, but it is...ultimately...a decision they have to make on their own. Seeing all those protestors and stuff on TV literally makes me want to laugh. Do they really think that if they stand there and scream long enough they'll frighten the people wanting an abortion into keeping their children? What is the point in protesting this? The protestors, the politicians...us right now...we have no true part in changing the ones set on abortion. We have to sit on the side lines, a totally separate third party, and let them decide for themselves. No amount of talk can change that. More extreme measures such as closing abortion offices won't help either. Because, like Davis said, teens would try to kill the children on their own. If people really didn't want the children in the first place, Perhaps they should have used protection or just refrained from sex all together. In my opinion, matters like that should wait until both the potential mother and father are BOTH ready to have a child. If that were to happen we wouldn't need abortion it all. But, what can you do? And I mean TRULLY do? We can talk about it all we want, and insult people all we want. But is that really going to stop teens...and other people for that matter from doing things they may regret later? Sometimes, protesting works, I'll admit it. But most of the time it seems to me, that all the crowds' screaming and objecting is merely falling on deaf ears. After all our actions are up to each of us aren't they? ((If I offended anyone I appologise. I TRY to speak from a neutral point of view. But sometimes what I say gets taken the wrong way. Lol....)) You have the attitude as if were defeated. Closing the abortion centers WOULD keep the girls from killing their babies. Millions would NOT be dead because girls would actually have to think about what their doing before the do it. ((when we didn't have abortion centers we didn't have ThOUSANDs dropping dead. Look at the rates of pregnancies before and after.)) Girls would try and get ride of the baby and it's not as hard as you make it sound. People (few) would die but that doesn't amount for all the children that have had their limbs cut off and their brain sucked out. And our voices do matter. Look at the gay people. Their aren't millions of them but they protest loud enough and long enough and what they want is now becoming reality. Hope is never lost as long as there's some one fighting for it. And my I'm sure I'm going to become someone with some influence. If you act as if your opinion doesn't count, then it wont.
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:03 pm
SongsOfTheEnchantedHeart Psy Yen Song, Davis, I think you guys really started something here. Lol. Still...Isn't it really up to the parents to decide? We can sit here and say all we want about the subject, but it is...ultimately...a decision they have to make on their own. Seeing all those protestors and stuff on TV literally makes me want to laugh. Do they really think that if they stand there and scream long enough they'll frighten the people wanting an abortion into keeping their children? What is the point in protesting this? The protestors, the politicians...us right now...we have no true part in changing the ones set on abortion. We have to sit on the side lines, a totally separate third party, and let them decide for themselves. No amount of talk can change that. More extreme measures such as closing abortion offices won't help either. Because, like Davis said, teens would try to kill the children on their own. If people really didn't want the children in the first place, Perhaps they should have used protection or just refrained from sex all together. In my opinion, matters like that should wait until both the potential mother and father are BOTH ready to have a child. If that were to happen we wouldn't need abortion it all. But, what can you do? And I mean TRULLY do? We can talk about it all we want, and insult people all we want. But is that really going to stop teens...and other people for that matter from doing things they may regret later? Sometimes, protesting works, I'll admit it. But most of the time it seems to me, that all the crowds' screaming and objecting is merely falling on deaf ears. After all our actions are up to each of us aren't they? ((If I offended anyone I appologise. I TRY to speak from a neutral point of view. But sometimes what I say gets taken the wrong way. Lol....)) You have the attitude as if were defeated. Closing the abortion centers WOULD keep the girls from killing their babies. Millions would NOT be dead because girls would actually have to think about what their doing before the do it. ((when we didn't have abortion centers we didn't have ThOUSANDs dropping dead. Look at the rates of pregnancies before and after.)) Girls would try and get ride of the baby and it's not as hard as you make it sound. People (few) would die but that doesn't amount for all the children that have had their limbs cut off and their brain sucked out. And our voices do matter. Look at the gay people. Their aren't millions of them but they protest loud enough and long enough and what they want is now becoming reality. Hope is never lost as long as there's some one fighting for it. And my I'm sure I'm going to become someone with some influence. If you act as if your opinion doesn't count, then it wont. ... Good luck with that and I hope it works out as pristinely as you envision it. You know your right about one thing though...... I did exaggerate about the number of girls who would die... But abortion has been going on since biblical times... Even before we had clinics There is talk about whores out side of a temple that jesus goes to taking an herb that I want to say is called Rue or something... But I'm not sure ... I'll look into it... But in any event the herb they were taking causes the womans body to flush the uterus basically... So your right It wouldn't kill as many young girls as I thought But it wouldn't stop the problem by any means... Seriously if you want to help change things change adoption then abortion... Give people a Viable solution first and they're more likely to join you in your cause.... It would be ALOT easier for me to say "lets shut down the clinics" if adoption was easier... But the fact is it is insanely hard... but that's another topic for another time... I think I've made my point.... Again Not saying your wrong just saying I disagree with your method.. Abortion is wrong entirely But I don't think just shutting down the clinics and hoping the problem will just disappear is a good idea. EDIT: yeap it's rue... here's a link [ X] edit I will have luck with it XP lols. I understand how you would disagree but I've looked at some other stuff and it doesn't seem to work out as well. *sigh* oh well I'll just keep fighting.
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devilisnotagoodlookingman
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:39 pm
Okay let me put this, they band abortions and parents so no no to sex, CHILDREN WANT TO DO IT THEN, serously teens want to break teh rules and abortion was band once I think and it was still praticed its better to have the option so girls don't have to go toe shade people to get it done, but if there was limits for like teens it would kill the mother, they were raped, or incest or something
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:34 pm
Okay I just read everything and man, LISTEN TO DAVIS he really has the right idea here and its truely has to be the choice of the parents but still you gotta relieze it completely changes your life, and song millions would die BECAUSE MOST OF AMERICA DOESN'T THINK plus allot of times you don't relieze someting till its to late an mistakes happen so yeah, allot of people don't know what they are doing, allot of paretns don't want sex taught in school because they think its wrong but it really just makes it worst for hte kids, if you link this back to were it beings you can link this with religion
(which brings me to my friends and me's idea, if there was no religion TONS OF THE WORLDS PROBLEMS WOULD BE SOLVED)
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devilisnotagoodlookingman
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:03 am
Final-Destiny-Zein Okay I just read everything and man, LISTEN TO DAVIS he really has the right idea here and its truely has to be the choice of the parents but still you gotta relieze it completely changes your life, and song millions would die BECAUSE MOST OF AMERICA DOESN'T THINK plus allot of times you don't relieze someting till its to late an mistakes happen so yeah, allot of people don't know what they are doing, allot of paretns don't want sex taught in school because they think its wrong but it really just makes it worst for hte kids, if you link this back to were it beings you can link this with religion (which brings me to my friends and me's idea, if there was no religion TONS OF THE WORLDS PROBLEMS WOULD BE SOLVED) Actually without religion society as a whole would fail... No religion was one of the primary keys attributing to the failure of communism... Religion brings hope, and without hope man cannot survive... Every one needs something to believe in... Sorry to let you down bro but if your saying listen to me you should re read my last post man I admitted that I was wrong about the millions dieing... And zein if you really want to debate religion you should make a new topic I'm Christian and I'd be more than glad to carry on a pleasant debate about it. That is if you think you'd be able to keep your temper in check (that was my main problem in my last religious debate the other guy kept getting pissed off and making personal wisecracks).
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