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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:57 pm
pro-choice politically and anti-choice personally?
In every case for whatever reason, I am completely pro-choice if the woman so chooses, but I myself feel that I could not bring myself to have one personally. It's just something about how much I care for children, I guess. The only reason I'm for the freedom of women is because I'm a huge feminist, and I know that my personal morals do not belong in the uterus of another woman (and I know its unconstitutional to be anti-choice...and I'm a huge feminist).
Does anyone else share the same views as me here?
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:32 am
I don't, but I understand.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:47 am
¨*:·.♥.·:*¨I don't think that makes too much sense.
If you support the choice, then even if you do not personally want an abortion, aren't you still pro-choice personally?
I mean, a choice implies that there's more than one option. Just because only one option fits YOU doesn't mean that you're against giving yourself one at all.
So you're still pro-choice all the way around, it's just that personally, you don't feel abortion is the right choice for you. And that's cool.
Honestly, if I'd probably have a similar view if it weren't for the fact my next pregnancy will be extremely high risk. I figure if I'm gonna risk my life, I'm going to do it on my terms, when I'm ready...and I'm not ready right now.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:44 am
Tiadaria ¨*:·.♥.·:*¨I don't think that makes too much sense.
If you support the choice, then even if you do not personally want an abortion, aren't you still pro-choice personally?
I mean, a choice implies that there's more than one option. Just because only one option fits YOU doesn't mean that you're against giving yourself one at all.
So you're still pro-choice all the way around, it's just that personally, you don't feel abortion is the right choice for you. And that's cool.
Honestly, if I'd probably have a similar view if it weren't for the fact my next pregnancy will be extremely high risk. I figure if I'm gonna risk my life, I'm going to do it on my terms, when I'm ready...and I'm not ready right now. I agree. I am personally and politically pro-choice, I will decide what I want to do once I am in the situation.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:47 pm
I think you're pro-choice all around.
I'm pro-choice and a parent, but I would abort if I ever got pregnant again. Pro-choice means supporting the choice, whatever it may be. It doesn't mean you have to abort, or that you even like abortion.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 4:29 pm
There are going to be a lot of choicers who agree with you, since obviously being pro-choice =/= pro-aborting in every case, although I don't see the need to say "oh, but I'd never have one." And you're not anti-choice personally unless you want someone telling you whether or not to have an abortion. I personally would probably have an abortion, but plenty of other choicers are already parents are would choose to have the baby.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:00 pm
Well, as practically everyone else has already said, being pro-choice doesn't just mean you are for a person's ability to choose to have an abortion. It also means being for a person's ability to choose not to have an abortion. Thus, you are pro-choice both politically and personally, although you would choose not to have an abortion. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:46 pm
Political Pro-choice, Personal pro-life (but I will abort for medical reasons)
I wouldn't abort unless it was a serious medical problem. I'm in a stable relationship with my fiance and he said he would accept parenting rather than putting the child up for adoption.
Personally, I would like to see more pregnant women actually find an adoptive family (not throwing the baby into an adoption agency) before going ahead with an abortion. However, I believe it is their right as a human being to do what they want with their body.
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:09 pm
I honestly don't know if I would be able to have an abortion, due in part to a pretty severe sharps phobia. I feel like I would want to, because I simply cannot handle being pregnant, and then a mother... now or ever. Unless I were to find myself pregnant, I wouldn't be able to give a solid answer.
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:44 pm
Anyway, getting back to the actual question, I really don't want to have an abortion. Really, really, really don't want to have an abortion. It's part of the reason (although not even the biggest reason) I am abstaining from sex. I am absolutely not in a position to handle pregnancy, childbirth, or a baby, but I'm also not in a mindset where I think I could handle an abortion.
The whole thing kind of amuses me. You know when Pro-Lifers say if you can't handle the consequences of sex, don't have it? Well, I agree with this statement entirely, although not what Pro-Lifers mean when they say it. I believe that if you are in a situation where you cannot handle the potential outcomes of sex (from emotional attachment to STDs) then you shouldn't have sex. But I consider having an abortion to be dealing with one of the consequences of sex. However, because I could not deal with the potential outcomes of sex (one of which is giving birth/abortion) I'm abstaining.
Now, although my desire to not have an abortion is strong, I am also aware that there are circumstances where I would have an abortion. Some examples of these situations are my life/health being at risk, the father being abusive, or the fetus having some kind of defect. Oddly enough, these are all situations where I would be perfectly ok with having an abortion. I'm not sure how the logic fits in, but this whole thing isn't very logical to me. When it comes to myself and this issue, I'm operating on emotions, not reason, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:48 pm
saying "i'm pro-choice but would personally never abort" is just like saying "i support gay marraige but i'm straight". you're subconsciously (or concsiously) separating yourself from those people you "support". it really is not necessary to add the "but i'd never abort" part, and i find it quite annoying. lots of people support a choice but would personally never abort, but if you're pro-choice, you're pro-choice. in short, it bugs the s**t out of me when people say "i'm pro-choice but i would never get an abortion". all that's doing is feeding the social stigma surrounding an already stigmatized subject.
i'm having a really hard time putting my thoughts into words right now so perhaps i'll edit this post later on.
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:11 pm
Peppermint Schnapps saying "i'm pro-choice but would personally never abort" is just like saying "i support gay marraige but i'm straight". you're subconsciously (or concsiously) separating yourself from those people you "support". it really is not necessary to add the "but i'd never abort" part, and i find it quite annoying. lots of people support a choice but would personally never abort, but if you're pro-choice, you're pro-choice. in short, it bugs the s**t out of me when people say "i'm pro-choice but i would never get an abortion". all that's doing is feeding the social stigma surrounding an already stigmatized subject. i'm having a really hard time putting my thoughts into words right now so perhaps i'll edit this post later on. I understand that you think this stems from a subtle desire to say something akin to, "I'm not like them!" but I honestly believe this isn't the case for many people. I think it is important to make sure that people know both that A) Not all people who support homosexual marriage are gay B) Not all people who support the right to abortion. I cannot count the number of times people have assumed that in order to be in favor of either, you must also be in a position to obtain the benefits that come from them. You know, the people who think that we support abortion or gay marriage not because it is right, but because we get something out of it. Regularly when I tell someone I am for gay marriage, people assume I'm gay. One person I was talking with over the internet even decided I was a gay man and refused to believe otherwise. With abortion, people constantly assume that I'm having sex and the only reason I support the right to choose is that I want to have sex without worrying about giving birth. People are actually surprised to hear that I'm Pro-Choice and a virgin. The same applies to people who are pro-choice but who would choose to continue the pregnancy. This is simply not the case, and I think it is important to let people know.
Simply, I see it as correcting a false assumption. When I tell people I'm Pro-Choice, people often assume I'm having sex and that I would choose to have an abortion. Sometimes they assume I have already had an abortion. When I tell people I am for gay marriage, many times people assume I am gay. But these assumptions are not accurate. It has nothing to do with thinking those who I am allying myself with are inferior and everything to do with being unholy tired of people believing I'm someone that I'm not.
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:58 pm
Peppermint Schnapps saying "i'm pro-choice but would personally never abort" is just like saying "i support gay marraige but i'm straight". you're subconsciously (or concsiously) separating yourself from those people you "support". it really is not necessary to add the "but i'd never abort" part, and i find it quite annoying. lots of people support a choice but would personally never abort, but if you're pro-choice, you're pro-choice. in short, it bugs the s**t out of me when people say "i'm pro-choice but i would never get an abortion". all that's doing is feeding the social stigma surrounding an already stigmatized subject. i'm having a really hard time putting my thoughts into words right now so perhaps i'll edit this post later on. I don't think I'd add it on unless it came up. Such as, some anti-choice person in the Pro-Life guild has a signature about women who support abortion being low-lives and deadbeats because we choose not to be mothers. I commented and told him that I'd never get an abortion, but support it. I think that by pointing this out when necessary, you prove against the stereotypes like the person's image puts us in.
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:26 pm
ShadowIce Peppermint Schnapps saying "i'm pro-choice but would personally never abort" is just like saying "i support gay marraige but i'm straight". you're subconsciously (or concsiously) separating yourself from those people you "support". it really is not necessary to add the "but i'd never abort" part, and i find it quite annoying. lots of people support a choice but would personally never abort, but if you're pro-choice, you're pro-choice. in short, it bugs the s**t out of me when people say "i'm pro-choice but i would never get an abortion". all that's doing is feeding the social stigma surrounding an already stigmatized subject. i'm having a really hard time putting my thoughts into words right now so perhaps i'll edit this post later on. I understand that you think this stems from a subtle desire to say something akin to, "I'm not like them!" but I honestly believe this isn't the case for many people. I think it is important to make sure that people know both that A) Not all people who support homosexual marriage are gay B) Not all people who support the right to abortion. I cannot count the number of times people have assumed that in order to be in favor of either, you must also be in a position to obtain the benefits that come from them. You know, the people who think that we support abortion or gay marriage not because it is right, but because we get something out of it. Regularly when I tell someone I am for gay marriage, people assume I'm gay. One person I was talking with over the internet even decided I was a gay man and refused to believe otherwise. With abortion, people constantly assume that I'm having sex and the only reason I support the right to choose is that I want to have sex without worrying about giving birth. People are actually surprised to hear that I'm Pro-Choice and a virgin. The same applies to people who are pro-choice but who would choose to continue the pregnancy. This is simply not the case, and I think it is important to let people know.
Simply, I see it as correcting a false assumption. When I tell people I'm Pro-Choice, people often assume I'm having sex and that I would choose to have an abortion. Sometimes they assume I have already had an abortion. When I tell people I am for gay marriage, many times people assume I am gay. But these assumptions are not accurate. It has nothing to do with thinking those who I am allying myself with are inferior and everything to do with being unholy tired of people believing I'm someone that I'm not.and most of those people are idiots, aren't they? why do we feel the need to justify our moral stance on a subject to someone stupid enough to assume all people who support gay marraige MUST be gay? honestly, why should we give two shits what they think of us, especially if they're wrong? frankly, i don't think that's a very good reason. these people may not want to sound like they're putting themselves on a pedestal, but to me that's exactly what it sounds like even if that isn't what the person intends. like it or not, saying "but i'd never abort" or "but i'm straight" is feeding the social stigmas surrounding both gay marraige and abortion. i can put my personal feelings about it aside, but you're still feeding that wonderful stigma.
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:36 pm
20 Shades of Crazy Peppermint Schnapps saying "i'm pro-choice but would personally never abort" is just like saying "i support gay marraige but i'm straight". you're subconsciously (or concsiously) separating yourself from those people you "support". it really is not necessary to add the "but i'd never abort" part, and i find it quite annoying. lots of people support a choice but would personally never abort, but if you're pro-choice, you're pro-choice. in short, it bugs the s**t out of me when people say "i'm pro-choice but i would never get an abortion". all that's doing is feeding the social stigma surrounding an already stigmatized subject. i'm having a really hard time putting my thoughts into words right now so perhaps i'll edit this post later on. I don't think I'd add it on unless it came up. Such as, some anti-choice person in the Pro-Life guild has a signature about women who support abortion being low-lives and deadbeats because we choose not to be mothers. I commented and told him that I'd never get an abortion, but support it. I think that by pointing this out when necessary, you prove against the stereotypes like the person's image puts us in. i suppose that's one way to do it, but people who think that way are pretty generally a pack of morons. it just irritates me that people tack that "but i'd never abort" on to their pro-choice stance. i respect a choice, any choice, and i surely respect choicers who wouldn't abort. however, i don't think it's necessary to add to a social stigma for the sake of correcting a few dumbasses who probably won't even listen to you. if you're pro-choice you're pro-choice, just leave it at that.
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