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LadyInWhite

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:56 pm


Courtesy of Mens News Daily

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Glenn Sacks
More Progress on the Male Birth Control Pill

December 16, 2007 at 3:53 pm · Filed under Vox Populi

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Background: I've long believed that a male birth control pill would be a great thing for men, and that women might not be as happy about it as they may claim. In my column Do Women Really Want a Male Birth Control Pill? (Newsday, 4/11/05), I wrote:

"Women have long lamented the unequal burden they shoulder in the area of contraception. Today researchers are reportedly moving closer to perfecting a male contraceptive that is free of side effects, easy to take, and reversible. But do women really want a male birth control pill?

"Power is the reward which comes with responsibility. For example, during the Cold War Americans complained about the money and manpower spent protecting a reputedly ungrateful world from communism. Yet these sacrifices also helped give the United States great geopolitical power, with its attendant perks and privileges.

"Similarly, while women legitimately complain that biology has condemned them to bear the burden of contraception, this burden also gives women control over one of the most important parts of any human being’s life--reproduction. The male birth control pill will shift much of that control from women to men. Is the following conversation far away?

"Woman #1: 'My [husband, boyfriend, significant other] is selfish. He's on the pill and won’t get off. I’ve asked him to stop taking it but he always says he’s not ready. He just won’t grow up. I don’t know what to do.'

"Woman #2: 'That’s what the pill has given men—a right to be perpetual adolescents. It’s given them veto power over women who want to have children'...

"While most women are responsible and want to have children with a willing, committed partner, studies show that lack of reproductive control can be a major problem for men today. For example, the National Scruples and Lies Survey 2004 polled 5,000 women in the United Kingdom for That’s Life! magazine. According to that survey, 42% of women claim they would lie about contraception in order to get pregnant, regardless of the wishes of their partners...

"The advent of the female birth control pill greatly aided women’s struggle for autonomy and fulfillment. The male birth control pill will also create great changes, but these changes will not be to some women’s liking. Be careful what you ask for—you might get it."

From Sara Feldkamp's Male Birth Control Pill and Digestive Health Top List of New Medical Discoveries, AAPS Annual Meeting and Exposition Kicks-Off in San Diego:

"New research presented at the 2007 American Association of Pharmaceutical Scientists Annual Meeting and Exposition indicates that a new oral option for men to prevent pregnancy may be possible. The study shows the efficacy and side-effects of an oral contraceptive for males, which is similar to birth control pills currently available for women.

"To date, effective male contraception has been restricted to physical methods, namely condoms and vasectomy. However, the research conducted by scientists at GTx, Inc., the Ohio State University, and the University of Tennessee provides the first male oral contraceptive that has been found effective in preventing pregnancy.

"Additionally, the option is reversible: after the medication is stopped, fertility is fully restored.

"For 13 years, these researchers have been examining the reversibility of a compound that inhibits infertility by utilizing a non-steroidal hormonal therapy known as a selective androgen receptor modulator.

"'Past clinical studies using testosterone for male contraception were not effective at preventing pregnancy without producing significant negative side- effects,' said James Dalton, Ph.D., AAPS Fellow and lead researcher at GTx, Inc. and the Ohio State University.

"'Our recent study was doubly successful because it completely and reversibly inhibited fertility without unwanted side-effects.'

"In fact, the study proved that this male pill had positive effects on muscle and bone. Clinical trials are expected to begin in one to two years."


So, how do you feel about it? I'm asking both the guys and girls of the guild.

Personally, I would trust my partner to tell me if hes on the pill and when the time comes that we want children we will discuss it. I would not have sex with someone who doesn't respect me enough to ask for my input with something that involves both of us.
For me it is the same with discussing it with him if I decided to go on the pill.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:58 pm


I can see this pill going both ways with men still taking it to prevent children even after they have discussed with their partner they want kids and a male deliberately impregnating a female. I am slightly for it but against the idea of a male oral contraceptive, but I want control over my own body and for him not to get me pregnant without my consent or keep me from having children when I am ready.

I believe this pill can be used in the hands of a mature male and trusting partner. I believe this is one pill that should be only prescribed to married partners for it's first run. And then after maybe 5 or 6 years of research with married couples, open it up for publicly prescribed. My reason for this, a married couple is more likely to be stable enough relationship wise for such a study than a just-dating couple. Or at least be clinically tested on a married couple for both pill effectiveness and the behavioural patterns that come with it. Then again, this is my opinion and I wouldn't enforce it on anyone.

Despite taking oral contraceptives myself for medical reasons, I still prefer condoms, because I can examine the package comes in, make sure he puts it on properly, takes it off properly, and disposed of properly. You can't replace that knowing that everything is present and accounted for.

Streex


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:01 pm


i think it's a great improvement. all the arguments expressed in that article can be applied to female oral contraceptives as well. i mean, it's not like we have to stop using condoms or taking our birth control pills, right? if we don't trust him to take the pills then we need to keep taking ours. if a woman wants children but her partner doesn't/isn't ready for kids then she should consider whether or not her desire to continue a relationship with said man is greater than her desire for children. if it is, then maybe she should look into finding a man willing to have kids. it goes the same way for women who don't want to be mothers, right? shouldn't it be the same for men?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:22 pm


Quote:
"Similarly, while women legitimately complain that biology has condemned them to bear the burden of contraception, this burden also gives women control over one of the most important parts of any human being’s life--reproduction. The male birth control
So... women oppose male birth control because it puts them on equal footing?

Um... that's ******** up.


I fully support male birth control. Perhaps we'd see some equal treatment, then, with regards to men's reproductive rights (e.g. childsupport is currently terribly unfair since men do not get a choice to opt out, as women do with abortion). This would be one step closer towards permitting men to avoid those "oopses" that are allegedly so prevalent (though probably exaggerated, like those teenage sluts getting their tenth late-term abortion for shits and giggles).

Talon-chan


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:44 pm


I think that the male B.C. pill is great! (My husband already wants on it.)
I believe men should have the same control over their body that women do. If they don't want a baby they should be able to try to prevent conception, and let's face it condoms are pretty much the only protection they've got.

*Edit* After reading through the entire thread I noticed the rest of this post is pretty much the same as talon's, so if you want to save time just skip ahead to the next post.*


It's a great equalizer in that way too.. Though a lot of people are probably going to disagree with me...

If two people have sex with the understanding that they don't want kids and she gets pregnant, she can easily decide to keep it and force her partner into paying child support for the next 18 years.
With the male b.c. pill men will finally be able to make sure that even if there is an 'accident' he won't be forced into fatherhood or 18 years of child support.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:39 pm


What's with those women? If a man doesn't want to be a father, he shouldn't have to.

Lupine Pyrefly


PhaedraMcSpiffy

PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:41 pm


Really... it creeps me out that all of these arguments can be applied to female contraceptives and that some women don't want to be on equal footing.

Streex
I believe this pill can be used in the hands of a mature male and trusting partner. I believe this is one pill that should be only prescribed to married partners for it's first run. And then after maybe 5 or 6 years of research with married couples, open it up for publicly prescribed. My reason for this, a married couple is more likely to be stable enough relationship wise for such a study than a just-dating couple. Or at least be clinically tested on a married couple for both pill effectiveness and the behavioural patterns that come with it. Then again, this is my opinion and I wouldn't enforce it on anyone.


...Imagine what it would be like if you said the same things for a new female contraceptive pill. I mean, I understand that the guy needs to be mature and trustworthy, but the idea that men are less trustworthy and mature... well, it's a little insulting.

Also: Marriage is not automatically commitment. You can be married and uncommited, and unmarried and commited.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:07 am


I'd just be glad for the extra protection. I wouldn't stop using my own contraception, simply because then I know that I've done what I can. And my partner is probably mature enough to take this and remember to take it, because he is so intent on no kids for quite a while.

But other than that I agree with Phaedra and Talon.

Streex: your first paragraph happens with the female pill too. Women saying they're on it to get pregnant, or saying they aren't but still are to avoid pregnancy. I'm glad for the equal ground - now pretty much everyone can have similar control over their fertility and future. ^_^

Fran Salaska


[Ernie]

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:55 pm


I love how the guy who wrote the article never bothered mentioning that hormonal contraception isn't exactly the easiest thing to get for women. It's written like women can walk to their local pharmacy and get some, without having to worry about the pharmacist implying that they're sluts and whether or not they can afford it.

So he talked to two women, and determined that women as a group may not want a male birth control pill--in other words, a bullshit way to research.

Oh, and women don't have the Pill Burden because biology landed most of us with 95% of the reproduction process--we have the Pill Burden because society decided it was up to only women to make sure they didn't get pregnant.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:05 pm


[Ernie]
I love how the guy who wrote the article never bothered mentioning that hormonal contraception isn't exactly the easiest thing to get for women. It's written like women can walk to their local pharmacy and get some, without having to worry about the pharmacist implying that they're sluts and whether or not they can afford it.


Not to mention that you can't ever just go to a pharmacy, it has to be prescribed by a doctor. Which isn't bad, actually, with all the different types and possible side effects and such. It just makes it hard to get if you don't have a good doctor or something like that.

Quote:
Oh, and women don't have the Pill Burden because biology landed most of us with 95% of the reproduction process--we have the Pill Burden because society decided it was up to only women to make sure they didn't get pregnant.


Thank you! Something bothered me about that statement, but I shrugged it off because technically, a lot of it is biological. But you're absolutely right, a lot of it is societal and we're much more burdened than we should be.

PhaedraMcSpiffy


Streex

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:06 pm


PhaedraMcSpiffy
Really... it creeps me out that all of these arguments can be applied to female contraceptives and that some women don't want to be on equal footing.

Streex
I believe this pill can be used in the hands of a mature male and trusting partner. I believe this is one pill that should be only prescribed to married partners for it's first run. And then after maybe 5 or 6 years of research with married couples, open it up for publicly prescribed. My reason for this, a married couple is more likely to be stable enough relationship wise for such a study than a just-dating couple. Or at least be clinically tested on a married couple for both pill effectiveness and the behavioural patterns that come with it. Then again, this is my opinion and I wouldn't enforce it on anyone.


...Imagine what it would be like if you said the same things for a new female contraceptive pill. I mean, I understand that the guy needs to be mature and trustworthy, but the idea that men are less trustworthy and mature... well, it's a little insulting.

Also: Marriage is not automatically commitment. You can be married and uncommited, and unmarried and commited.


I can understand that but a married couple is more likely to be stable than an unmarried one. I am not saying that men are untrustworthy and immature, there are some that are and some that aren't. As in I wouldn't trust a male to be on that pill unless he was both trustworthy and mature. (then again, come to where I live, you'll see why I wouldn't trust 95% of the males here...).
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:45 pm


I support a male contraceptive pill 100%. A man should have every right to control when he reproduces. The statements saying men can be 'immature', and 'untrustworthy' can apply to women. Women also 'con' men and stop taking birth control to get pregnant. It's the job of both parties to make sure they're protected. Unless both partners have the exact same views, a condom should always be involved. Neither my boyfriend, or I want to be parents, so I would be comfortable trusting to take a male birth control pill. I actually know that he is interested, as long as there are no side effects.

Quote:
"Woman #1: 'My [husband, boyfriend, significant other] is selfish. He's on the pill and won’t get off. I’ve asked him to stop taking it but he always says he’s not ready. He just won’t grow up. I don’t know what to do.'

"Woman #2: 'That’s what the pill has given men—a right to be perpetual adolescents. It’s given them veto power over women who want to have children'...


These situations are insulting to women, and men. If a man not going off of his birth control is 'selfish', what does that make the woman? I'm tired of people being called 'selfish' for not wanting to reproduce, regardless of sex. It is easier for a women to find a way to get pregnant, than it is for a man to find a woman to impregnate.

Streex
I can understand that but a married couple is more likely to be stable than an unmarried one. I am not saying that men are untrustworthy and immature, there are some that are and some that aren't. As in I wouldn't trust a male to be on that pill unless he was both trustworthy and mature. (then again, come to where I live, you'll see why I wouldn't trust 95% of the males here...).
That says nothing about married vs. unmarried, and more about you and your experiences. Saying the pill should be tested with married couples first because they are more stable, would be good if almost half of all marriages didn't end in divorce.

I wouldn't say a married couple is more emotionally, or mentally stable than an unmarried couple who'd been together for the same amount of time. If anything, children and the stress they bring put more strain on a marriage. It should be up to the man to decide when, and how long he's on the pill.

MipsyKitten
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:22 pm


*thumbs up*

I don't see why male contraception should be a problem. More contraception options means that couples can plan their lives better. Especially if integrating more than one contraception option.

Open honesty and communication in relationships should be default... if not, then there's a problem bigger than the existence and manipulation of contraception can provide.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:42 am


I think it's the greatest invention since sliced bread. Yes, it'd take some getting used to not being the one responsible for anti-conception. Definitely.

But to be able to go off the pill... Heaven. I loathe the pill for what it does to my mood. The amount of hormones catapults me right into depression, and to be able to remove that burden without risking pregnancy - great.

_Morgane Fay_


Streex

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:13 am


MipsyKitten
I support a male contraceptive pill 100%. A man should have every right to control when he reproduces. The statements saying men can be 'immature', and 'untrustworthy' can apply to women. Women also 'con' men and stop taking birth control to get pregnant. It's the job of both parties to make sure they're protected. Unless both partners have the exact same views, a condom should always be involved. Neither my boyfriend, or I want to be parents, so I would be comfortable trusting to take a male birth control pill. I actually know that he is interested, as long as there are no side effects.

Quote:
"Woman #1: 'My [husband, boyfriend, significant other] is selfish. He's on the pill and won’t get off. I’ve asked him to stop taking it but he always says he’s not ready. He just won’t grow up. I don’t know what to do.'

"Woman #2: 'That’s what the pill has given men—a right to be perpetual adolescents. It’s given them veto power over women who want to have children'...


These situations are insulting to women, and men. If a man not going off of his birth control is 'selfish', what does that make the woman? I'm tired of people being called 'selfish' for not wanting to reproduce, regardless of sex. It is easier for a women to find a way to get pregnant, than it is for a man to find a woman to impregnate.


That's good you would trust your boyfriend with it. However, I can see where the guy could be selfish about not getting off of the pill. Especially in cases where a female has to have children before a certain age or if they have agreed to have kids by a certain age. Then again, it is her fault for having trust in him that valuably to have it thrown into her face that he's gonna postpone kids. If he's the one who has broken the agreement about when to have kids that the couple has discussed, then he is the selfish one. If she is the one pushing him about children when they haven't agreed for a time to have kids, then she is being selfish. It is not discussed in those quote scenarios if there was previous talking about having children at all. Perhaps the writer intends to make women feel like bitches for wanting kids in the first place or the writer has simply forgot information that would be relevent. However, it is selfishness upon the male's part if they have already discussed that they will have children by a certain point and then he refuses to go off of the pill. And it is selfishness if they have agreed to kids and keeps on taking the pill without her knowing.

MipsyKitten
Streex
I can understand that but a married couple is more likely to be stable than an unmarried one. I am not saying that men are untrustworthy and immature, there are some that are and some that aren't. As in I wouldn't trust a male to be on that pill unless he was both trustworthy and mature. (then again, come to where I live, you'll see why I wouldn't trust 95% of the males here...).
That says nothing about married vs. unmarried, and more about you and your experiences. Saying the pill should be tested with married couples first because they are more stable, would be good if almost half of all marriages didn't end in divorce.

I wouldn't say a married couple is more emotionally, or mentally stable than an unmarried couple who'd been together for the same amount of time. If anything, children and the stress they bring put more strain on a marriage. It should be up to the man to decide when, and how long he's on the pill.

It was just my opinion. I can see you disagree and that is alright with me. Just from my experience, I've seen more stable married couples than I have seen stable unmarried couples. Then again, this is from experience and everyone has a different experiece regarding this matter.
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