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 Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:52 pm
Ok so here is the verses in question:
1 John 4:7-8
"Dear friends, let us continue to love one another, for love comes from God. Anyone who loves is a child of God and know God. But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love." NLT Translation
Pretty powerful verses, at least I like them anyway.
But I have a question: The verses says that anyone who loves is a child of God. Does that mean anyone who loves at all will choose Jesus/be saved ulitmately?
What about the people who don't?
Please help, I just don't have enough insight to see the Truth in this verse.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:39 pm
dragongirl42391 Ok so here is the verses in question: 1 John 4:7-8 "Dear friends, let us continue to love one another, for love comes from God. Anyone who loves is a child of God and know God. But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love." NLT Translation Pretty powerful verses, at least I like them anyway. But I have a question: The verses says that anyone who loves is a child of God. Does that mean anyone who loves at all will choose Jesus/be saved ulitmately? What about the people who don't? Please help, I just don't have enough insight to see the Truth in this verse. I would say that if you were a loving person then you are good to go. Doesn't matter if you’re Christian. But then again this isn't a segment of ask the Jew is it?
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:29 pm
dragongirl42391 Ok so here is the verses in question: 1 John 4:7-8 "Dear friends, let us continue to love one another, for love comes from God. Anyone who loves is a child of God and know God. But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love." NLT Translation Pretty powerful verses, at least I like them anyway. But I have a question: The verses says that anyone who loves is a child of God. Does that mean anyone who loves at all will choose Jesus/be saved ulitmately? What about the people who don't? Please help, I just don't have enough insight to see the Truth in this verse. there is love then there is LOVE-AGAPE. john is talking about AGAPE- Gods love, un-conditional, no matter what love no beginning no end.its the love that led Jesus to the cross, willing to die for our sins. this kind of love is hard for humans to grasp. it means litterally turning the other cheek when slapped. it means smiling at your enimy, and not thinking (i wish i had a dagger, id gut you like a fish) johns books are all about Gods love, and how we can love like that. every human loves, but AGAPE is different, its not a human love. lordstar, it is always a segment of ask the Jew. YSHW came for you first then for us, you and your people were the first on his mind when he dies, and the first on his mind when he rose, as evidenced by the fact that it was jews, not greeks or romans, who first saw the Messiah after he was ressurected. He is a Jew, from the line of David (through Mary)
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:08 am
There are 3 diffrent kinds of love.
Once you manage Agape ( mentioned above) Then you probably already love God. lol
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:13 am
dragongirl42391 Ok so here is the verses in question: 1 John 4:7-8 "Dear friends, let us continue to love one another, for love comes from God. Anyone who loves is a child of God and know God. But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love." NLT Translation Pretty powerful verses, at least I like them anyway. But I have a question: The verses says that anyone who loves is a child of God. Does that mean anyone who loves at all will choose Jesus/be saved ulitmately? What about the people who don't? Please help, I just don't have enough insight to see the Truth in this verse. By love, I am pretty sure by Love john meant... like... kindness, mercifulness or faithfulness.
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:47 pm
promised_child dragongirl42391 Ok so here is the verses in question: 1 John 4:7-8 "Dear friends, let us continue to love one another, for love comes from God. Anyone who loves is a child of God and know God. But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love." NLT Translation Pretty powerful verses, at least I like them anyway. But I have a question: The verses says that anyone who loves is a child of God. Does that mean anyone who loves at all will choose Jesus/be saved ulitmately? What about the people who don't? Please help, I just don't have enough insight to see the Truth in this verse. there is love then there is LOVE-AGAPE. john is talking about AGAPE- Gods love, un-conditional, no matter what love no beginning no end.its the love that led Jesus to the cross, willing to die for our sins. this kind of love is hard for humans to grasp. it means litterally turning the other cheek when slapped. it means smiling at your enimy, and not thinking (i wish i had a dagger, id gut you like a fish) johns books are all about Gods love, and how we can love like that. every human loves, but AGAPE is different, its not a human love. lordstar, it is always a segment of ask the Jew. YSHW came for you first then for us, you and your people were the first on his mind when he dies, and the first on his mind when he rose, as evidenced by the fact that it was jews, not greeks or romans, who first saw the Messiah after he was ressurected. He is a Jew, from the line of David (through Mary) Mary was not from the line of David but of Benjamin (depends on who you ask I guess) Thanks for supporting Ask the Jew Today’s segment was sponsored in part by the letter A and also the number 3
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:49 pm
promised_child dragongirl42391 Ok so here is the verses in question: 1 John 4:7-8 "Dear friends, let us continue to love one another, for love comes from God. Anyone who loves is a child of God and know God. But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love." NLT Translation Pretty powerful verses, at least I like them anyway. But I have a question: The verses says that anyone who loves is a child of God. Does that mean anyone who loves at all will choose Jesus/be saved ulitmately? What about the people who don't? Please help, I just don't have enough insight to see the Truth in this verse. there is love then there is LOVE-AGAPE. john is talking about AGAPE- Gods love, un-conditional, no matter what love no beginning no end.its the love that led Jesus to the cross, willing to die for our sins. this kind of love is hard for humans to grasp. it means litterally turning the other cheek when slapped. it means smiling at your enimy, and not thinking (i wish i had a dagger, id gut you like a fish) johns books are all about Gods love, and how we can love like that. every human loves, but AGAPE is different, its not a human love. lordstar, it is always a segment of ask the Jew. YSHW came for you first then for us, you and your people were the first on his mind when he dies, and the first on his mind when he rose, as evidenced by the fact that it was jews, not greeks or romans, who first saw the Messiah after he was ressurected. He is a Jew, from the line of David (through Mary) Cool, thank you so much for the insight, I assume AGAPE is a Hebrew word from the original text?
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:00 pm
dragongirl42391 promised_child dragongirl42391 Ok so here is the verses in question: 1 John 4:7-8 "Dear friends, let us continue to love one another, for love comes from God. Anyone who loves is a child of God and know God. But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love." NLT Translation Pretty powerful verses, at least I like them anyway. But I have a question: The verses says that anyone who loves is a child of God. Does that mean anyone who loves at all will choose Jesus/be saved ulitmately? What about the people who don't? Please help, I just don't have enough insight to see the Truth in this verse. there is love then there is LOVE-AGAPE. john is talking about AGAPE- Gods love, un-conditional, no matter what love no beginning no end.its the love that led Jesus to the cross, willing to die for our sins. this kind of love is hard for humans to grasp. it means litterally turning the other cheek when slapped. it means smiling at your enimy, and not thinking (i wish i had a dagger, id gut you like a fish) johns books are all about Gods love, and how we can love like that. every human loves, but AGAPE is different, its not a human love. lordstar, it is always a segment of ask the Jew. YSHW came for you first then for us, you and your people were the first on his mind when he dies, and the first on his mind when he rose, as evidenced by the fact that it was jews, not greeks or romans, who first saw the Messiah after he was ressurected. He is a Jew, from the line of David (through Mary) Cool, thank you so much for the insight, I assume AGAPE is a Hebrew word from the original text? greek, the new testament was written in greek, as (thanks to alexander the great of macidonia) it was the worlds universal language. EVERYBODY spoke greek lordstar: Quote: 1A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham: 2Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers, 3Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar, Perez the father of Hezron, Hezron the father of Ram, 4Ram the father of Amminadab, Amminadab the father of Nahshon, Nahshon the father of Salmon, 5Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab, Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth, Obed the father of Jesse, 6and Jesse the father of King David. David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah's wife, 7Solomon the father of Rehoboam, Rehoboam the father of Abijah, Abijah the father of Asa, 8Asa the father of Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram, Jehoram the father of Uzziah, 9Uzziah the father of Jotham, Jotham the father of Ahaz, Ahaz the father of Hezekiah, 10Hezekiah the father of Manasseh, Manasseh the father of Amon, Amon the father of Josiah, 11and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[a] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon. 12After the exile to Babylon: Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel, Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel, 13Zerubbabel the father of Abiud, Abiud the father of Eliakim, Eliakim the father of Azor, 14Azor the father of Zadok, Zadok the father of Akim, Akim the father of Eliud, 15Eliud the father of Eleazar, Eleazar the father of Matthan, Matthan the father of Jacob, 16and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. it is also known that mary and joseph were cousins- like 5th or 6th cousins. since messiah had to be born of the line of David and to a virgin- it makes sence that she was also of that regal line, at least according to both my NEW TESTAMENT SURVEY prof. and my HISTORY OF THE BIBLE prof.- RHEMA BIBLE TRAINING CENTER, BA OK USA
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:07 am
promised_child dragongirl42391 promised_child dragongirl42391 Ok so here is the verses in question: 1 John 4:7-8 "Dear friends, let us continue to love one another, for love comes from God. Anyone who loves is a child of God and know God. But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love." NLT Translation Pretty powerful verses, at least I like them anyway. But I have a question: The verses says that anyone who loves is a child of God. Does that mean anyone who loves at all will choose Jesus/be saved ulitmately? What about the people who don't? Please help, I just don't have enough insight to see the Truth in this verse. there is love then there is LOVE-AGAPE. john is talking about AGAPE- Gods love, un-conditional, no matter what love no beginning no end.its the love that led Jesus to the cross, willing to die for our sins. this kind of love is hard for humans to grasp. it means litterally turning the other cheek when slapped. it means smiling at your enimy, and not thinking (i wish i had a dagger, id gut you like a fish) johns books are all about Gods love, and how we can love like that. every human loves, but AGAPE is different, its not a human love. lordstar, it is always a segment of ask the Jew. YSHW came for you first then for us, you and your people were the first on his mind when he dies, and the first on his mind when he rose, as evidenced by the fact that it was jews, not greeks or romans, who first saw the Messiah after he was ressurected. He is a Jew, from the line of David (through Mary) Cool, thank you so much for the insight, I assume AGAPE is a Hebrew word from the original text? greek, the new testament was written in greek, as (thanks to alexander the great of macidonia) it was the worlds universal language. EVERYBODY spoke greek lordstar: Quote: 1A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham: 2Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers, 3Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar, Perez the father of Hezron, Hezron the father of Ram, 4Ram the father of Amminadab, Amminadab the father of Nahshon, Nahshon the father of Salmon, 5Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab, Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth, Obed the father of Jesse, 6and Jesse the father of King David. David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah's wife, 7Solomon the father of Rehoboam, Rehoboam the father of Abijah, Abijah the father of Asa, 8Asa the father of Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram, Jehoram the father of Uzziah, 9Uzziah the father of Jotham, Jotham the father of Ahaz, Ahaz the father of Hezekiah, 10Hezekiah the father of Manasseh, Manasseh the father of Amon, Amon the father of Josiah, 11and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[a] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon. 12After the exile to Babylon: Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel, Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel, 13Zerubbabel the father of Abiud, Abiud the father of Eliakim, Eliakim the father of Azor, 14Azor the father of Zadok, Zadok the father of Akim, Akim the father of Eliud, 15Eliud the father of Eleazar, Eleazar the father of Matthan, Matthan the father of Jacob, 16and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. it is also known that mary and joseph were cousins- like 5th or 6th cousins. since messiah had to be born of the line of David and to a virgin- it makes sence that she was also of that regal line, at least according to both my NEW TESTAMENT SURVEY prof. and my HISTORY OF THE BIBLE prof.- RHEMA BIBLE TRAINING CENTER, BA OK USA I believe our Comp. Religion professors would disagree with your freelo...professors wait a second bible training center...for while there I thought you were referring to an institution of higher learning. Just think what would happen if someone like me was ever elected into public office abstinence only funding: aborted! higher accreditation standards...I don't think faith based schools would pass elimination of the death penalty forcing necessities into non-profit status with strict regulations hell I’m just getting started
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:59 am
lordstar dragongirl42391 Ok so here is the verses in question: 1 John 4:7-8 "Dear friends, let us continue to love one another, for love comes from God. Anyone who loves is a child of God and know God. But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love." NLT Translation Pretty powerful verses, at least I like them anyway. But I have a question: The verses says that anyone who loves is a child of God. Does that mean anyone who loves at all will choose Jesus/be saved ulitmately? What about the people who don't? Please help, I just don't have enough insight to see the Truth in this verse. I would say that if you were a loving person then you are good to go. Doesn't matter if you’re Christian. But then again this isn't a segment of ask the Jew is it? First, Jesus said that "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." That means that Jesus is the ONLY way to God. We must make a decision to follow Christ in order to enter heaven, because.... "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. No one is righteous, not even one." (I actually have a question about that, but that's a whole other topic!)
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:51 pm
Orizion lordstar dragongirl42391 Ok so here is the verses in question: 1 John 4:7-8 "Dear friends, let us continue to love one another, for love comes from God. Anyone who loves is a child of God and know God. But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love." NLT Translation Pretty powerful verses, at least I like them anyway. But I have a question: The verses says that anyone who loves is a child of God. Does that mean anyone who loves at all will choose Jesus/be saved ulitmately? What about the people who don't? Please help, I just don't have enough insight to see the Truth in this verse. I would say that if you were a loving person then you are good to go. Doesn't matter if you’re Christian. But then again this isn't a segment of ask the Jew is it? First, Jesus said that "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." That means that Jesus is the ONLY way to God. We must make a decision to follow Christ in order to enter heaven, because.... "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. No one is righteous, not even one." (I actually have a question about that, but that's a whole other topic!) I think you missed my point
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 3:53 pm
Agape is Greek, and contrary to popular assumption, it is a human love, and used of every variety of love from love for God, love for children, to sexual love and the lust of a rapist for his victim. It has as many meanings as the English word 'love' has.
/lecture over
I see this passage as saying that love without the taint of sin (so, not lust, or oppressive love) is God. So anyone who shares that love shares something of God, and someone who's existence is love knows the God who is Love - that it is not possible to serve the god of this world (Satan) while living always in love.
But then, to break the cycle of sin in our lives, and the taint that it casts over everything (including our love) we must have the work of Christ, so constant undefiled love is impossible without knowing him.
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:47 pm
leamhan Agape is Greek, and contrary to popular assumption, it is a human love, and used of every variety of love from love for God, love for children, to sexual love and the lust of a rapist for his victim. It has as many meanings as the English word 'love' has.
/lecture over
I see this passage as saying that love without the taint of sin (so, not lust, or oppressive love) is God. So anyone who shares that love shares something of God, and someone who's existence is love knows the God who is Love - that it is not possible to serve the god of this world (Satan) while living always in love.
But then, to break the cycle of sin in our lives, and the taint that it casts over everything (including our love) we must have the work of Christ, so constant undefiled love is impossible without knowing him. Another good interpretation. Thanks, I think I'm gonna save this onw.
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:52 pm
lordstar promised_child dragongirl42391 promised_child dragongirl42391 Ok so here is the verses in question: 1 John 4:7-8 "Dear friends, let us continue to love one another, for love comes from God. Anyone who loves is a child of God and know God. But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love." NLT Translation Pretty powerful verses, at least I like them anyway. But I have a question: The verses says that anyone who loves is a child of God. Does that mean anyone who loves at all will choose Jesus/be saved ulitmately? What about the people who don't? Please help, I just don't have enough insight to see the Truth in this verse. there is love then there is LOVE-AGAPE. john is talking about AGAPE- Gods love, un-conditional, no matter what love no beginning no end.its the love that led Jesus to the cross, willing to die for our sins. this kind of love is hard for humans to grasp. it means litterally turning the other cheek when slapped. it means smiling at your enimy, and not thinking (i wish i had a dagger, id gut you like a fish) johns books are all about Gods love, and how we can love like that. every human loves, but AGAPE is different, its not a human love. lordstar, it is always a segment of ask the Jew. YSHW came for you first then for us, you and your people were the first on his mind when he dies, and the first on his mind when he rose, as evidenced by the fact that it was jews, not greeks or romans, who first saw the Messiah after he was ressurected. He is a Jew, from the line of David (through Mary) Cool, thank you so much for the insight, I assume AGAPE is a Hebrew word from the original text? greek, the new testament was written in greek, as (thanks to alexander the great of macidonia) it was the worlds universal language. EVERYBODY spoke greek lordstar: Quote: 1A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham: 2Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers, 3Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar, Perez the father of Hezron, Hezron the father of Ram, 4Ram the father of Amminadab, Amminadab the father of Nahshon, Nahshon the father of Salmon, 5Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab, Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth, Obed the father of Jesse, 6and Jesse the father of King David. David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah's wife, 7Solomon the father of Rehoboam, Rehoboam the father of Abijah, Abijah the father of Asa, 8Asa the father of Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram, Jehoram the father of Uzziah, 9Uzziah the father of Jotham, Jotham the father of Ahaz, Ahaz the father of Hezekiah, 10Hezekiah the father of Manasseh, Manasseh the father of Amon, Amon the father of Josiah, 11and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[a] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon. 12After the exile to Babylon: Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel, Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel, 13Zerubbabel the father of Abiud, Abiud the father of Eliakim, Eliakim the father of Azor, 14Azor the father of Zadok, Zadok the father of Akim, Akim the father of Eliud, 15Eliud the father of Eleazar, Eleazar the father of Matthan, Matthan the father of Jacob, 16and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. it is also known that mary and joseph were cousins- like 5th or 6th cousins. since messiah had to be born of the line of David and to a virgin- it makes sence that she was also of that regal line, at least according to both my NEW TESTAMENT SURVEY prof. and my HISTORY OF THE BIBLE prof.- RHEMA BIBLE TRAINING CENTER, BA OK USA I believe our Comp. Religion professors would disagree with your freelo...professors wait a second bible training center...for while there I thought you were referring to an institution of higher learning. Just think what would happen if someone like me was ever elected into public office abstinence only funding: aborted! higher accreditation standards...I don't think faith based schools would pass elimination of the death penalty forcing necessities into non-profit status with strict regulations hell I’m just getting started now you are just being a jerk, it is possible to debate without being a compleat mule about it. i dont give a damn what your proffessors, who havent really studdied the history of christianity have to say about what a man, who has studdied just that for 60 years has to say.
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:53 pm
lordstar promised_child dragongirl42391 promised_child dragongirl42391 quote] I believe our Comp. Religion professors would disagree with your freelo...professors wait a second bible training center...for while there I thought you were referring to an institution of higher learning. Just think what would happen if someone like me was ever elected into public office abstinence only funding: aborted! higher accreditation standards...I don't think faith based schools would pass elimination of the death penalty forcing necessities into non-profit status with strict regulations hell I’m just getting started What the... how did we go from interpreting the bible to lordstar ruling the world? And what do you have against abstinence and faith based schools? No offense lordstar, being seeing as you don't know much at all about this Bible training center, I don't think you should judge it and put it down. Kinda harsh. Don't snub it just cause it isn't what you think is up to snuff, or whatever your standards are.
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