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The title says it all. Yes, it comes as a shock to me too. Afterall, my money has gone to several organizations devoted to spreading awareness of abuse. My time has gone to protesting it. I've written to my representatives about the state of the adoption system. I've lost track of how much of my money has gone to charity, for born people.

But I've come to find out that if I don't post every terrible thing that happens in the world in a place that's specifically about abortion, I don't actually care about what happens to born people. Nevermind that there are more appropriate places to discuss it, there's a need for people to discuss the pro-life point of view on things like the rape of 10 year old girls and starvation worldwide. Apparently, it's going to be different than the pro-choice point of view.

But yeah, I only care about fetuses. Seriously. Don't you? I know you do, because you're in this guild, and that means you're pro-life, which means, YOU ONLY CARE ABOUT FETUSES! Don't forget that. I know, I know, you think you care about other people, but you don't really, because you don't post about them in places about abortion.

If you don't talk about these things in a pro-life blog, website, or forum, you either think that stopping abortion will fix a completely unrelated issue (the funny part is back when it was illegal, people argued that abortion would reduce the crime rate. I suppose that means we're supposed to bring completely unrelated issues into it? Or do people not like to bring that up since there's nothing to say that it worked?) or you don't care. There are no other options.

Discussion? I suppose, does being pro-life mean you take a completely different view on things (unrelated to abortion) than other people, to the point where we need to have a "My opinion as someone who is Pro-life" on every issue?

That's true. It really is completely unrelated.

It's along the line of that argument, "Save children who DO exist!" Well, first of all, to me, a fetus is a child who does exist, and they're basically saying, "You should fight for real children!" Well I am. What they mean is, "You should fight for those I consider to be real children!" Which I may very well be doing. That argument assumes I only care about fetuses, I don't care that millions of other people are dying, that I can either care about one or the other. It's apparently impossible to care about (and do things to help) both.

So...stopping abortion wont stop rape? Nice try with that straw man, Never seen any lifer make the argument that it would. Hey L, if you're reading this, nice try on knocking that one down, you hit like a sissified ten year old farm girl.

I get it now! Because we actually do stuff instead of sitting around talking about what SHOULD be done and stroking our own egos, we don't really care. It all makes so much more sense, now. I'm so glad the choicers pointed it out otherwise we might be trapped in our horrible, horrible ways.

So much for volunteering in Africa once I've graduated! I've seen the light. Instead I'll stay, and discuss how something should be done in Africa, with you guys.

Okay ladies, I think we've done enough. It's time to drop the logic bomb. Pro-choice is a stance in the abortion debate. Pro-life is an apposite stance. Pro-choice feels it should be acceptable for a woman to decide what to do with her body, even if that something means killing human being in the process. Pro-life is apposed to this. Most, how ever, have no argument against abortion if its done to save the life of the mother, and some others if the pregnancy will result in severe permanent damage to the mother's health.

Now, rape. Rape has been used many times in the abortion debate. It is used as an emotional ploy most often. as well as a potential. "You a*****e! What if my eleven year old sister had been raped an became pregnant?" Yes, thats usually what we hear the most of. 'What if' being the potential. Now, if we look at statistics that can be found almost any where now, we will find that abortions done for causes of rape make up only about 5% at the most liberal, 1% at the most conservative (Unless of coarse you count the opinion of most of the choicers here on gaia, in which ANY pregnancy is considered the equivalent to rape...even though the two cant be compared with out taking that extremely broad line between the two and stretching it to the point where its almost not there) How ever, it has become popular for allot of little girls to claim rape, even though many of them show none of the symptoms...so one can wonder if the numbers of abortions for rape are slightly skewed. I digress. 1% at the most conservative, 5 at the most liberal. Lets be fair here and say 3% of abortions. Thats not a very high number. So one could actually ignore its relevance in abortion, and get away with it. HOWEVER! Thats about as relevant rape gets in the abortion debate.

Lets talk about rape in general. Just rape. Not a possible resulting pregnancy, just rape... Can some one explain to me how rape and abortion are related? No! Shut up! I said rape only, not pregnancy resulting from rape. Rape only. You can't, can you? Then that means the two subjects are unrelated. You go and you look for a pro-lifers view point on the rape of a ten year old girl, you're not going find it if all your looking at is the pro-life stance. Try looking OUT SIDE our pro-life stance. I'll make it easy on you, I'll draw you a map since you have a hard enough time finding it by your self.



Do you get it now? You wont find an opinion related to abortion if all you're looking for is pro-life information on the subject. Pretty much, you epically failed. Please try again. this time, instead of LOOKING, try ASKING.

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The source for the percentage of rape is from 2003. Unless they have come up with new statistics, the claim of it being outdated fails.

I'm a vegetarian, but since I only care about fetuses, I eat animals all the time. Just never aborted calves or unhatched chicken eggs. Once they're born, though, I'd like fries with that, please.

And I'm only getting a degree in health care so I can help fetuses. Like pediatrics, except fetiatrics. Yup.

"According to the ultrasound, your baby's in excellent health!"
"Oh, but Doctor, I've been feeling really nauseous..."
"Shut up, incubator!"


Nope, no such thing as too much sarcasm. 3nodding

Don't feel bad about not caring about born children or animals or...anyone but fetuses. It's okay, really. You're pro-life!

I mean, look at other people who cared about no one but fetuses. Mother Teresa, for one. When was the last time you saw her pick up a sick, dying child off the street? Oh wait.

Well organizations like Feminists for Life don't care about what drives women to abortion, they...shoot, nevermind that statement.

Because afterall, a 10-year old girl's rape which doesn't result in a pregnancy relates to abortion; if she'd been aborted, she never would have suffered the rape. At least, that is the best guess I can come up with as to how they're related.

Bottom line: If abortion has no bearing on it, it's not related. Unless someone would like to argue that abortion could have saved her in some way or ending abortion could have saved her, which is an argument that can't be made since abortion is legal and it still happened, then what does it have to do with arguments about the legality of abortion? If the issue is about a little girl being abused...

How the hell is the "Pro-life" standpoint going to be different than the "Pro-choice" standpoint? How is the suffering of any children going to be different to people who are pro-life? Oh yeah, we only care about fetuses, sorry, I forgot about that for a second.

I think its clear that none one here is going to accuse you of that Lyme, these people are too intelligent to think that. They aren't children, so I'm sure how ever that it is kind of insulting you would think they would ^^