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 Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:30 pm
I wasn't sure if there was a thread on this already, but here goes:
I'm curious about what pro-lifers think about the 'morning after pill'. Do they consider it murder in the same way that they consider an abortion murder?
ShadowIce I feel the need to stress that Plan B (also known as the morning after pill) does not cause abortions. Plan B can do two things. 1) Stops ovulation. 2) Prevents implantation. Failure to implant is not an abortion or a miscarriage. Instead, it is a failure to get pregnant at all.Quote: FDA's Decision Regarding Plan B: Questions and Answers2. What is Plan B? Plan B is emergency contraception, a backup method to birth control. It is in the form of two levonorgestrel pills (0.75 mg in each pill) that are taken by mouth after unprotected sex. Levonorgestrel is a synthetic hormone used in birth control pills for over 35 years. Plan B can reduce a woman’s risk of pregnancy when taken as directed if she has had unprotected sex. Plan B contains only progestin, levonorgestrel, a synthetic hormone used in birth control pills for over 35 years. It is currently available only by prescription 3. How does Plan B work? Plan B works like other birth control pills to prevent pregnancy. Plan B acts primarily by stopping the release of an egg from the ovary (ovulation). It may prevent the union of sperm and egg (fertilization). If fertilization does occur, Plan B may prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the womb (implantation). If a fertilized egg is implanted prior to taking Plan B, Plan B will not work.
This is something that I've rarely, if ever, seen come up with abortion debates, but I feel that it's got some kind of bearing on the issue, especially if people believe that personhood, etc, begins at conception.
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:43 pm
COnsideirng it is induced, and not natural, it technicly is a form of abortion. So, yes, I would consider it as bad.
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:50 pm
I feel the need to stress that Plan B (also known as the morning after pill) does not cause abortions. Plan B can do two things. 1) Stops ovulation. 2) Prevents implantation. Failure to implant is not an abortion or a miscarriage. Instead, it is a failure to get pregnant at all.Quote: FDA's Decision Regarding Plan B: Questions and Answers2. What is Plan B? Plan B is emergency contraception, a backup method to birth control. It is in the form of two levonorgestrel pills (0.75 mg in each pill) that are taken by mouth after unprotected sex. Levonorgestrel is a synthetic hormone used in birth control pills for over 35 years. Plan B can reduce a woman’s risk of pregnancy when taken as directed if she has had unprotected sex. Plan B contains only progestin, levonorgestrel, a synthetic hormone used in birth control pills for over 35 years. It is currently available only by prescription 3. How does Plan B work? Plan B works like other birth control pills to prevent pregnancy. Plan B acts primarily by stopping the release of an egg from the ovary (ovulation). It may prevent the union of sperm and egg (fertilization). If fertilization does occur, Plan B may prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the womb (implantation). If a fertilized egg is implanted prior to taking Plan B, Plan B will not work.
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:05 pm
Basically it's a stronger forum of birth control but only used for emergencies only.
It's alot stronger then normal birth control and can make you sick (at least for a short time). It's not something people should use often.
It's to help prevent pregnancy so I don't concidered it abortion.
You have up 74 to take it after innercorse in order to prevent the pregnancy
I much rather people take that then actually abort the embryo/fetus later on since that's when I count it as an actul baby. The first stage is actually just cells, but only for a short time.
though it's common sense to use some type of protection/birth control if they don't want to get pregnant (rape is an exception to that, since nobody plans for that to happen).
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:50 pm
sachiko_sohma It's to help prevent pregnancy so I don't concidered it abortion. You have up 74 to take it after innercorse in order to prevent the pregnancy I much rather people take that then actually abort the embryo/fetus later on since that's when I count it as an actul baby. The first stage is actually just cells, but only for a short time. I completely agree!
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:23 pm
WatersMoon110 sachiko_sohma It's to help prevent pregnancy so I don't concidered it abortion. You have up 74 to take it after innercorse in order to prevent the pregnancy I much rather people take that then actually abort the embryo/fetus later on since that's when I count it as an actul baby. The first stage is actually just cells, but only for a short time. I completely agree!
Would that mean that it's a person or whatever at implantation, then, and not at conception?
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:45 pm
miyo_esparanza WatersMoon110 sachiko_sohma It's to help prevent pregnancy so I don't concidered it abortion. You have up 74 to take it after innercorse in order to prevent the pregnancy I much rather people take that then actually abort the embryo/fetus later on since that's when I count it as an actul baby. The first stage is actually just cells, but only for a short time. I completely agree!
Would that mean that it's a person or whatever at implantation, then, and not at conception?No. Implantation has nothing to do with personhood. And why does personhood matter any ways?
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:02 pm
Tiger of the Fire miyo_esparanza
Would that mean that it's a person or whatever at implantation, then, and not at conception?No. Implantation has nothing to do with personhood. And why does personhood matter any ways?
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:26 pm
miyo_esparanza WatersMoon110 sachiko_sohma It's to help prevent pregnancy so I don't concidered it abortion. You have up 74 to take it after innercorse in order to prevent the pregnancy I much rather people take that then actually abort the embryo/fetus later on since that's when I count it as an actul baby. The first stage is actually just cells, but only for a short time. I completely agree!
Would that mean that it's a person or whatever at implantation, then, and not at conception?That is all a matter of personal beliefs, but yes I agree it's a person once they move out of the cell stage and at implantation, not at conception At conception, it's just a infertilized egg which is just cells. There could be a chance it never makes it into the next stage, so unless it attaches on to the uterus, she techically isn't pregnant,just at risk of becoming pregnant. But everybody has different views on that matter.
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:43 pm
Morally I'm against Plan B, legally I'm for it. Mainly because I don't think legally you can stop someone from denying the use of their body (with abortion they are not denying, as the fetus is already implanted which is a completely seperate thing in law). However life begins at conception, so morally I think it is wrong to use Plan B.
Edit: I wouldn't consider it murder, either. It is preventing something someone needs to survive, not taking something away from them. ie. not giving someone water as opposed to taking water away from them.
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:07 pm
ShadowIce is absolutely right. miyo_esparanza Tiger of the Fire miyo_esparanza
Would that mean that it's a person or whatever at implantation, then, and not at conception?No. Implantation has nothing to do with personhood. And why does personhood matter any ways? To me, it's not so much a "personhood" thing. To me, all humans are persons, and though a fertilised egg, once it begins to divide, is genetically a human being, it won't divide and grow until it implants. And it'll be a while before it has a nervous system and is able to suffer from being destroyed. Like sachiko, I'd rather a woman abort a not-yet-implanted embryo than a 6-month-old fetus.
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:25 pm
miyo_esparanza Tiger of the Fire miyo_esparanza
Would that mean that it's a person or whatever at implantation, then, and not at conception?No. Implantation has nothing to do with personhood. And why does personhood matter any ways? I don't really believe in person-hood since its so discriminating against humanity, so I'm not the person to ask for an opinion. Also, personhood begins when you want it, since its not literal, and only philosophical. Humanity though, that begins at conception. And sorry, I was thinking about something else when I wrote my first post (I was thinking RU486 for some reason). But I have to agree with Jabberwok on this one. Although I dislike the idea of it since it kills a living human if conception has happened...it atleast moderatly better then killing one thats already started both stages to birth and rights.
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:35 pm
Really, for me, I really feel that stopping implantation is not the same as aborting, or even taking the dreaded RU-486 pill. Plan B is useful, I think, in allowing the process to be earlier in the pregnancy, and I suppose the earlier the better, at least before it starts to grow.
I don't like the idea of what it does, but if abortion is to be devalued in any way, I think that's a plus. Plan B, to me, is okay because it prevents the need for an abortion to happen. I mean, if something prevents abortions, that's good, clearly.
I can see why there's a moral problem with it for some people, but to me, it's easier to reconcile with in my mind, because if I want abortion to be unnecessary, I have to allow certain flexibilities in my idea of what constitutes killing.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:54 pm
The other thing that I just thought of is this; what about IUDs? Especially the ones with no hormones.
They irritate the uterine wall, so that a fertilized egg cannot attach itself, should the egg be fertilized.
While most of you feel that taking the Plan B isn't aborting, merely preventing (and I assume would feel the same about IUDs) and unwanted pregnancy, I'm more interested in the pro-lifers that feel that life begins at conception. What is their take on it? Should it not be allowed, despite being a valid form of contraception?
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:35 am
I don't think that the plan B pill is the same as aborting at all, it prevents the egg from implanting at all, and if it doesn't implant, even if you haven't taken the plan B pill, then you aren't pregnant. If a fertilised egg failed to implant, which actually happens a fair amount or so I learned from my partners Biology degree, then you would never have been pregnant in order for it to count as aborting.
Also, I don't really think that it is killing the fertilised egg either, because in order for it to live and grow and turn into a fetus, it has to implant, if it doesn't then it can't develop past the stage where the stem cells begin to differentiate if I remember correctly and as such remains a group of such cells.
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