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I can no longer hold back my utter disgust and angst for the whole land for peace deal between the apostate Olmert and the 'palestinians'. All that giving land and the creation of a 'palestinian' state will do is cause more blood shed for the entire region. Frankly there is no need for a 'palestinian' state because there is no such thing as 'palestine', there is no language of 'palestinan'. In fact there isn't even the letter 'P' in Arabic! But enough on that rant, here is a better idea that is backed by former and hopefully future Israeli PM Binyamin Netanyahu.
Formulated by Knesset Member Rabbi Benny Elon (National Religious Party), the "Israeli Initiative" calls for Israel to immediately annex all of Judea and Samaria, while working together with Jordan to grant Jordanian citizenship to all of the Arabs living there. Large Arab population centers would conduct civil affairs with a degree of autonomy, while exercising their national expression through Jordan, which is already a 'palestinian'-majority country. For those who need a history lesson the PLO leader Yassir Arafat tried to make 'palestine' in Jordan until King Hussien called for his death and he escaped to Israel wearing a womans dress!

With the Israeli Initiative, the 'palestinian' Authority would be dismantled, as would the so-called 'palestinian' "refugee camps."

Here are the details of the Initiative: http://www.israelinitiative.com/PersonalMessage.aspx

Unlike the U.S. Israel's power is with-in the Knesset and any plan must be decided and voted on by them. The Israeli Initiative is gaining momentum in the Knesset and I pray it is sucessful

I think that as much as we dont like it, giving the Palestinians their own land and nation is the proper step to go.

Do you mean me calling Olmert an apostate for what seems to be an anti-zionist attitude or for me using the name 'palestinian'? I don't mean to offend a fellow Jew, but his policies of late could lead to more blood shed; none of the members in the Annapolis Peace Talks even agreed to even recognise Yisrael as a Jewish State, something he said they must do before he even went to the table.

And on a personal note I am leaning closer to Traditional Judaism as I have honestly been questioning myself on why it is I believe what I believe.

I mean calling Olmert an apostate. Disagree with his policies all you like, but please leave the personal attacks at the door.

And good, famusamu, I'm glad when anyone takes the time and effort to really examine what they believe, and why they believe it. Whether your beliefs change entirely, or remain the same, chances are good that study and re-examination will make you much more sure of what your beliefs really are and why you hold them, and what they should inspire you to do.

Don't let anyone insist to you that you MUST believe this or that, though. What you believe is up to you, as is what you practice. I'll disagree with Hebrew Christianity all day long, but I will also maintain a Hebrew Christian's right to believe it and to live by it.

I know that you already have links to the J4J and Messianic Jewish websites, so I won't bother listing them; you probably have way more sites than I do on this topic. smile But because EVERY ideology has its pro-faction and its con-faction, and because I believe that the truth withstands scrutiny, you might want to check out a Jewish scrutiny of the Messianic claims. I'm referring to the Jews for Judaism website and reference center. If that link doesn't work, just try http://jewsforjudaism.org/ and click on Reference Center, then FAQ. After reading these materials, you may feel more equipped to either abandon, or more strongly commit to, your current belief system. Either way, you'll be a lot more sure of what you're committing to, and I wish you best of luck in this personal/spiritual inventory check. smile No matter where you eventually come down.

Honestly?

Shut the hell up already. You know what those settlers have gotten us? Blood, bullets, and tears. They can't keep to themselves and they've got a long history of not only harassing, injuring, and killing Palestinians, but even when their own IDF comes to move them, they attack them too.

Bottom line, your brand of extremist, militant Zionism is dead. It's undead. It's killing people and it's killing Israel and I'm tired of listening to it.

I hate Hamas. I openly state that I am not a fan of the Palestinians. But for all that is holy, I'd rather see people living than dying over a BS political doctrine that was never what Herzl had in mind in the first place.

I'm tired of bloody Christians pressuring Jews into bulldozing Al-Aqsa so we can build an unnecessary third temple so that they can get their damned zombie back and then turn around and kill us again when it doesn't happen and they think we're responsible, AGAIN. Honestly, I'm tired of anyone who isn't strictly Jewish telling Israel jack-bloody-snuff (those of you that know me know how restrained I'm being with my language) about what to do with our land and our people. Your Christ told you that your body is the temple, so do us all a favor and piss off out of Israel, you're getting both us and them killed, and giving us a bad name at the same time. Give up your dispensationalist crap, we're tired of war, and we're tired of you.

Well everyone knows my full views here.

Zionism = Fascism...

no wait, that's not it...

We should take up arms and fight tooth an nail against those who would claim our homeland as theirs. We should bring peace through superior firepower!

No wait... that's Zionism = Fascism isn't it.

Ok ok... umm

We should learn to co exist peacably with those who would wish to destroy us because they see us as foreign invaders. We should trade off our land for peace and eventually get peace and maybe lose Jerusalem while we're at it.

No wait, that's just dumb.

hmm

I KNOW!

We combine Israel and Palestine into one country and call it Caanan.


Lets be honest folks. The reason the middle east is the way it is, is because the Ottoman Empire fell after World War I, and European Superpowers decided to cut boundary lines in the area, so people who lived together under one flag for centuries, finally had something to fight over.