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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:10 am
So who's you favorite? I'll start, the Daleks, truth be told that's what got me into Doctor Who. Love all the episodes with them classic and new with the acception of Evolution. Daleks PWN all!!! mrgreen
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:30 am
Easily the Daleks. And I'm not, by my usual inclination, that into them. From the classic series I think I only like four of thier stories (and one of those mostly for the kitsch value).
But in the revival they've been given a real focus and the concept of why these things are horrific has been put across so forcibly. The empty, unreasoning logic of that "because it genuinely belives they should die" line is the only time I'd been given shivers at the thought of a Dalek.
There's a risk they could blow it though. None of thier appearances in the New Series have been as strong as thier first in Dalek, and very few episodes anywhere in the new run have been as poor as the Daleks in Manhattan two-parter.
The worst that could happen is that every season we could get locked into a cycle of "there goes the last Dalek in the universe/oh look, here's some more/there goes the last Dalek in the universe/oh look, here's some more/there goes the last Dalek in the universe/oh look, here's some more/there goes the last Dalek in the universe/oh look, here's some more..."
They're also the only thing that I think is being damaged by the merchandising. Rob Shearman's incredible script did such an explosive job of just blowing away all the years in which the Daleks were a comfortable joke, and making them a truly horrible and frightening monster. Monstrous in what they're capable of and in what they represent. Everyone watching got it and everyone watching was scared.
That's chipped away at a little everytime a talking greetings card insists, "IT IS YOUR BIRTH-DAY! YOU MUST CEL-E-BRATE OR YOU WITH BE EX-TER-MIN-ATED!!!"
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:31 am
I can't decide between the Daleks and the Master. Both are equally fantastic to me. <3 I may be leaning just a bit more to the Master though, he is the Master. -strokes invisible Delgado beard-
edited: I'm sorry I can't put more reasoning into my statement, it's early in the morn...
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:16 pm
I think the Master is probably the best comeback one. I remember watching videos of Delgado and Ainley when I was little, and I have to say I was majorly impressed with John Simm's performance.
I liked the return of the Daleks in the first couple of series, but I hope like mad that Dalek Caan really is the last. That Emergency Temporal Shift annoys the living daylights out of me.
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:33 pm
The Master. I loved the original's eerieness and I love John Simm's charisma!:'D
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:34 pm
I agree with Richard--the Daleks made an explosive comeback, but now they're in severe danger of being overused and trivialized all over again. RTD needs to give them a rest. Daleks in Manhattan was horrific on a level at or below Classic stories like Horns of the Nimon. It made me want to gnaw off a leg to escape or something.
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:46 pm
For the poll, I'd probably have to say the Family..they were pretty eerie at times and the episode(s) were perfect showing it.
I agree with pretty much all of you that the Daleks are terribly overused now despite what was a strong comeback in Season 1. The whole "last-Dalek-fear-me/oh look there's a big army now" as a plot is really stale now...and I agree that nobody's really properly scared of them anymore.
And I definitely echo Eirwyn's statement that Daleks in Manhattan was horrible.. I nearly wanted to give up on Doctor Who by the time that aired and I certainly gave up on RTD's creativity (or lack thereof).
And as for the Master... ><; He's like Ten on caffeine minus the good qualities (like a conscience). I could never see the Classic!Master doing what the new one has done....it's too off-the-wall for me... confused
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:50 pm
I would have said Daleks but they use the way to often give em a break for god sake! I really think they should have them out in series 3 so my vote goes to the Master
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:00 am
Ceribri And I definitely echo Eirwyn's statement that Daleks in Manhattan was horrible.. I nearly wanted to give up on Doctor Who by the time that aired and I certainly gave up on RTD's creativity (or lack thereof).
Actually, it was Helen Raynor that wrote that two parter, so don't blame RTD.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:46 am
You know, that is really hard XD However, there is somebody in particular that I'd like to come back. Sil, from Thoros Beta n 3n First met in Vengeance on Varos with 6th, then returned to 6th in Mindwarp (part of the Trial of a Timelord series). Sil was never really confirmed as dead, as the Valeyard had clearly messed with the Matrix 3nodding I'd love it if Sil returned. n_n But, I do like the Daleks. Those tinpot tyrants just never give up n_n
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:35 am
Ceribri For the poll, I'd probably have to say the Family..they were pretty eerie at times and the episode(s) were perfect showing it. But while I applaud their inclusion in the poll ( and you're all getting the measure of my particular obsessions by now, yeah?) they're a bit of a different case to the others as they're less a 'revival', more a 'translation'. tennantsbutterfly Actually, it was Helen Raynor that wrote that two parter, so don't blame RTD. Show Runner = To Blame/Praise for Everything. smile
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:37 am
Richard_Swift tennantsbutterfly Actually, it was Helen Raynor that wrote that two parter, so don't blame RTD. Show Runner = To Blame/Praise for Everything. smile That's not particularly fair though. Praise and blame to those who deserve it, not to the show runner. You can't tar RTD with the same brush as Raynor. And I will fight this cause, so there! biggrin
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:19 am
tennantsbutterfly That's not particularly fair though. Praise and blame to those who deserve it, not to the show runner. You can't tar RTD with the same brush as Raynor. And I will fight this cause, so there! biggrin Then have at thee! wink Because the show runner does deserve the blame for being the person ultimately responsible for it having got on our screens. Russ would have commissioned the script and possibly even provided the original idea. Russ would have been responsible for approving it as good enough to be filmed. Russ would have been responsible for guiding its passage into production. Helen Raynor is responsible for writing a bad script. Russell T. Davies is responsible for the existence of two bad television episodes based on that script.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:44 pm
For me, it's the Master. Both the 'Professor' and Harold Saxon versions. They're different, yet interesting, variants on the Doctor's classic archnemesis.
I don't like the new Daleks. They're now so powerful it strains credibility. I mean, yeah, I suppose it's better than being so weak that a feeble 1st Doctor and Susan can shove it out a building, but still... downloading the entire internet in a few seconds? rolleyes
On the other hand, the new Cybermen are waaaaay too wussy. A whole army of 'em can't even scratch four uppity Daleks. And their heads have this weird tendency to spontaneously explode...
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:59 pm
Richard_Swift tennantsbutterfly That's not particularly fair though. Praise and blame to those who deserve it, not to the show runner. You can't tar RTD with the same brush as Raynor. And I will fight this cause, so there! biggrin Then have at thee! wink Because the show runner does deserve the blame for being the person ultimately responsible for it having got on our screens. Russ would have commissioned the script and possibly even provided the original idea. Russ would have been responsible for approving it as good enough to be filmed. Russ would have been responsible for guiding its passage into production. Helen Raynor is responsible for writing a bad script. Russell T. Davies is responsible for the existence of two bad television episodes based on that script. Eh. I see both your points. However, RTD is responsible for quite a few mediocre/bad scripts. And as I recall, Raynor wrote some random Torchwood episode that wasn't too well-done... either way I've got reason to blame both. xD
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