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Teatime Brutality

PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:04 am


On one hand the Doctor's companions get the same life that you, me and everyone else does - death and wonder, kindness and cruelty, love and monsters - they just don't get to ignore that it's all happening.

On the other hand...some of them seem to come out of the experience a lot better or a lot worse than others, don't they?

If the adventure the Doctor offers were a package holiday, consider this thread the Customer satisfaction form. Which punters would be able to recomend the experience to their friends and which would be asking for thier money back?

Of the Doctor's companions, who came off best out of thier travels and who came of worst?

We'll obviously leave those who actually died out of the running, as they've got an unfair advantage.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:42 pm


Satisfied Customer: Romana.
She gets to be rescued from the dismal fate of full aculturation into Gallifrey's cold high-on-beauracracy/low-on-dancing society, and gets her eyes opened to all the exciting alternatives to the extent that she comes to understand why she needed rescuing. And once she's transformed herself into someone capable of enjoying it all, it's obvious she was having a whale of a time. There can't be many companions who've treated thier travels as a party to the extent the second Romana did. And when the party was over, she got something else. A purpose.

Grounds for Complaint: Peri.
The most depressing story in the history of the show. Here's a girl who, by the time she goes with the Doctor, has already lost two fathers. Finding a caring, gentle and affectionate new father figure in the Fifth Doctor...he then dies on her almost immediately (ignoring the audios and just going by how it looked on telly at the time).

Her potential perfect father figure gone, she's left trapped with a man who condesendingly claims to be him. A man who subjects her to constant bullying, condesending put-downs, verbal abuse and the occasional threat of violence. Peri's an emotionally wounded child who, for some reason, the Doctor sees fit to subject to an ongoing programme of psychological torture.

And while she's enduring his sustained bullying, she's also got a random series of brutalising experiences awaiting her everytime she steps out of the TARDIS to be met by megalomanic after megalomanic who implicitly threatens to rape her.

In the end, if she's lucky, she gets killed. Or if she's unlucky she gets dragged off to a Barbarian planet that sounds like its probably got the life expectancy of a Victorian slum and is about as woman-friendly as Gor, to be married to a violent psychopath.

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Princess Alysa

PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:06 pm


worst: rose but idk good!!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:58 pm


I think Captain Jack came off best. He gained immortality! He also changed from being a conman when he first met the Doctor to being a trustworthy, responsible member of society when they parted and he had to wait for the Doctor to come back (see Utopia).

As to the ones who came off worst, probably Jamie and Zoe, because they had all memories of travelling with the Doctor wiped by the Time Lords, so obviously gained nothing.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:03 pm


tennantsbutterfly
I think Captain Jack came off best. He gained immortality! He also changed from being a conman when he first met the Doctor to being a trustworthy, responsible member of society when they parted and he had to wait for the Doctor to come back (see Utopia).

As to the ones who came off worst, probably Jamie and Zoe, because they had all memories of travelling with the Doctor wiped by the Time Lords, so obviously gained nothing.

I have to agree.

He also got his own team + spinoff show. xD
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:29 pm


tennantsbutterfly

As to the ones who came off worst, probably Jamie and Zoe, because they had all memories of travelling with the Doctor wiped by the Time Lords, so obviously gained nothing.

Though at least they lost nothing which is more than the bitter, desensitised Tegans of the world get.

And if you go with the whole Season 6B theory (which is the only sensible way of reconciling The Five Doctors and The Two Doctors with The War Games, as well as being what the author of The War Games now asserts) then Jaime at least gets his memories back at some point.

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faerie_ophelia

PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:26 pm


I'd saw that Tegan got the worst out of it because of the death that was always there to find when with the Doctor. When she left the Doctor and Turlough, she was upset and tired of all the death (the reason she ran away).

I think either Jo Grant or Nyssa got the best out of it. Jo Grant definitely grew up a lot around the Doctor and learned a lot because the Doctor encouraged her to learn and then let her go when it was time for her to go. Nyssa traveled with the Doctor and found that there was need for help in the universe and finally found a place where she would be very useful. She got a purpose in the end and saw how bad things can get.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:55 pm


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I think Captain Jack came off best. He gained immortality! He also changed from being a conman when he first met the Doctor to being a trustworthy, responsible member of society when they parted and he had to wait for the Doctor to come back (see Utopia).

As to the ones who came off worst, probably Jamie and Zoe, because they had all memories of travelling with the Doctor wiped by the Time Lords, so obviously gained nothing.

I have to agree.

He also got his own team + spinoff show. xD


In in a sense. But at what cost was his immotality. Jack was person who lived on the edge the risk of death being half the fun. Now he lives forever no real risk the only pain being watching those around him age and die and not being able to stay with those he loves. He's really lost a real lust for life to him it's "What's the point of living if you can't die?"

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:05 am


rainyeyes29
I'd saw that Tegan got the worst out of it because of the death that was always there to find when with the Doctor. When she left the Doctor and Turlough, she was upset and tired of all the death (the reason she ran away).


I've a bit less sympathy for her than most though, because it's as if she never really engaged with her experience. She spent most of her time in a strop or a huff or a sulk about something or another and, to my mind, blinded herself to everything fabulous that was out there other than the death. She's like the exact opposite of Elton from Love and Monsters.

Death is, of course, something that there's rather a lot of even if you don't go with the Doctor. As the Flaming Lips sang, Everyone you know, one day, will die. Tegan seemed to think that fact, like everything else, was somehow the Doctor's fault.
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I think either Jo Grant or Nyssa got the best out of it. Jo Grant definitely grew up a lot around the Doctor and learned a lot because the Doctor encouraged her to learn and then let her go when it was time for her to go. Nyssa traveled with the Doctor and found that there was need for help in the universe and finally found a place where she would be very useful. She got a purpose in the end and saw how bad things can get.


Jo came off vey well out of it, didn't she?
She wanted a glamourous and exciting career in Intelligence and got everything she wanted and more.

Plus she got to keep a life and a circle of friends on Earth inbetween vworping off to alien planets. And she got a Doctor who was clearly head over heels in love with her.

As for Nyssa, well there's one pretty huge thing she got as a result of going with the Doctor - not being on Traken during Logopolis. smile
PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:35 pm


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I think Captain Jack came off best. He gained immortality! He also changed from being a conman when he first met the Doctor to being a trustworthy, responsible member of society when they parted and he had to wait for the Doctor to come back (see Utopia).

As to the ones who came off worst, probably Jamie and Zoe, because they had all memories of travelling with the Doctor wiped by the Time Lords, so obviously gained nothing.

I have to agree.

He also got his own team + spinoff show. xD


In in a sense. But at what cost was his immotality. Jack was person who lived on the edge the risk of death being half the fun. Now he lives forever no real risk the only pain being watching those around him age and die and not being able to stay with those he loves. He's really lost a real lust for life to him it's "What's the point of living if you can't die?"

Yeah. Being immortal has its drawbacks - the Doctor knows that. (He's not technically immortal, but you get my point)

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faerie_ophelia

PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:17 pm


Richard, I agree with what you say about Tegan. She did complain and sulk a lot and not see anything bright wherever they went.

And I haven't seen "The Keeper of Traken" or "Logopolis" yet, so I can't comment on that...Knowing that the Master took over her father, it probably was good that she left, though.

Oh, great...Thinking of "Terminus" put Turlough on my mind. Must...escape...
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:45 am


rainyeyes29
Richard, I agree with what you say about Tegan. She did complain and sulk a lot and not see anything bright wherever they went.


I think it was partly down to the problem successive production teams had on the classic series of trying to create strong female companions. Usually this would mean "a strong companion for her first storyline, who'd then start acting like all the others from her second storyline on", but with Tegan then they made an effort to keep the character assertive, but made the mistake of thinking 'assertive' had to mean 'perpetually contrary and dismissive'.

If she were stomping about on New Earth then she wouldn't react to smelling applegrass with anything like Rose's deep breath and huge grin. She'd just wrinkle up her face in derision and say, "Applegrass?" as if she were half sceptical and half eager to haul the Doctor before a civil court to be put on trial for somehow causing applegrass to exist.

Funny I should think of New Earth really, as it strikes me now that by the end of that episode Cassandra has more wisdom and understanding of death than poor Tegan ever acquired.
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And I haven't seen "The Keeper of Traken" or "Logopolis" yet, so I can't comment on that...

Oh! Go see, go see!
Traken drags a fair old bit, but deserves a bit of credit for trying to structure a four-parter in a very different way...but Logopolis is realy outstanding. Something built very much around its SF ideas shouldn't really be able to be so wistful and elegiac, but it pulls it off. A gorgeous ******** mini-epic with so many images and moments that really stay with you. One of Tom's best performances too. Loveitloveitloveit.

I quite like Logopolis.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:05 pm


Wow, I didn't know about that whole Season 6B theory thing. Yeah, it does explain two obvious continuity problems in The Five Doctors and The Two Doctors. I'm surprised to learn Terrance Dicks even adopted the theory in his novel 'World Game'.

Anyway, getting back to the question at hand... Peri got it bad, getting married to that barbarian king guy and all. But what about Mel? She willingly decided to leave the Doctor for... Sabalom Glitz?!!! Wow, she really must have hated her travels with the Doctor to use Glitz as an excuse to move on.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:01 pm


rainyeyes29
Richard, I agree with what you say about Tegan. She did complain and sulk a lot and not see anything bright wherever they went.

And I haven't seen "The Keeper of Traken" or "Logopolis" yet, so I can't comment on that...Knowing that the Master took over her father, it probably was good that she left, though.

Oh, great...Thinking of "Terminus" put Turlough on my mind. Must...escape...

I haven't seen 'Trakken' or 'Logopolis' yet either. My sister wants this box set with both of them and another Tom Baker episode, though. =3 Perhaps I'll see it then? I'm really looking forward to seeing "Logopolis", as I've heard so much praise about it.

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Teatime Brutality

PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:24 pm


Hairy Priest
Wow, I didn't know about that whole Season 6B theory thing. Yeah, it does explain two obvious continuity problems in The Five Doctors and The Two Doctors. I'm surprised to learn Terrance Dicks even adopted the theory in his novel 'World Game'.


Yeah, it must be quite exciting for anyone having cooked up a fan theory to have the original writer come along and say, "That sounds right..." smile

Hairy Priest

Anyway, getting back to the question at hand... Peri got it bad, getting married to that barbarian king guy and all. But what about Mel? She willingly decided to leave the Doctor for... Sabalom Glitz?!!! Wow, she really must have hated her travels with the Doctor to use Glitz as an excuse to move on.


Her departure's just so...so random that I can't begin to make sense of it either way. You know that Goodbye speech that the Doctor gives her? All that 'days like crazy paving' stuff? That wasn't even in the original script. Mel just slung her hook and went.

The scene had been an audition piece that McCoy had done while trying out for the role, in which he'd been saying goodbye to AGenericCompanion. It just got put in the shooting script for Dragonfire because McCoy remembered it and suggested having some scene in there to mark to departure.

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I haven't seen 'Trakken' or 'Logopolis' yet either. My sister wants this box set with both of them and another Tom Baker episode, though. =3 Perhaps I'll see it then? I'm really looking forward to seeing "Logopolis", as I've heard so much praise about it.


Ah, that's the New Beginnings set that is, and the other story on there is Castrovalva, another cracker and Davison's first. When I eventually get round to replacing all my VHS Doctor Who with DVDs then that box set will be very high up the list. smile
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