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Mr. Fascist

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:42 am


As a member of the Sith Empire, and having attained the highest rank (Dark Lord Of The Sith), I figured I'd make this thread for any interested parties to ask questions about Sithism, find out more about it, etc.

Since Sithism/Jediism are viewed as jokes by most people, hopefully through this thread I can show that they should at least be respected as religions.

So ask away!
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:01 am


First question! xd

What are Sithism and Jediism? (basically: origins, core beliefs, basic tenants... ect.)

Feel free to post links!

Kimyanji


Mr. Fascist

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:50 am


Sithism and Jediism are religious/philosophical belief systems adapted from the Star Wars Universe. They got their start in popular culture in 2001 when in many countries, people put down "Jedi" as their religion on cencuses. Whether a joke or not, many believers actually came out of the ordeal.

Depending on the group, they may be direct beliefs (like they really can do everything portrayed in the movies), or translated beliefs.

The most common name for people who follow it are "Realists' (ex. Sith Realist, Jedi Realist).

I cannot explain all factions because I am a "Reform Sith."

Their website can be found here. If you go to "Blog" you can read the first edition Book Of Sith.



The beliefs are:
- There is no God or diety, but a collective consciousness called The Force. Instead of going with the bloodstream route, the creator of Reform Sith went with the origional trilogy ideal that the Force is a higher being that surrounds everyone and everything. It is a being created out of all sentient life. Those that practice Sithism can hopefully gain a better understand and connection to the Force.

- Meditation is important. It is recommended that a Sith meditate every day. During meditation sessions they should try to tap into the Force and feel its life around them. They should also explore their emotions (such as going through events that brought out their strongest hate, happiness, sadness, etc, find what triggers the strong emotions and practice/learn how to control them and use them with more control and power).

- There is no reward for death or being Sith. Reform Sithists believe that when all things die, they join the Force. So, if a Sith has a better understanding of the Force, they can "come back" or contact other living things (as shown through the "ghosts" in the Star Wars universe).

- A ranking system of Sith based on dedication and proof of understanding. The rankings are: minion, acolyte, warrior/marauder (same rank with different emphasis), lord, and dark lord. There are strict ways one can rank up.

- All Reform Sithists must be a part of Sith Empire (all Reform Sithists) and be connected to a Sith Community (either online or physical place where people meet). With community, Sith can help each other by discussing tactics and methods used in meditation and living daily life.

- Love is to be avoided as it is an unstable and overpowering emotion.

- The whole harnessing/controlling emotion and a connection to the Force is so in daily life, a Sith can use emotion as a strength/tool/power to overcome obstacles or tasks easier. With a connection to the Force they can do it even better/easier because they will have all sentient life emotion helping them.

- Reform Sithists do not condone violence unless absolutely necessary. Scare tactics and bullying can work for a victory, but the victory must be done through demonstration of emotion and control. If one just uses violence or whatever to acchieve what they want, they haven't learned anything or shown an understanding of the Force.

- Reform Sithists must follow the Code Of The Sith at all times. The Code being
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gan victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

Most of the Code can be explained through the whole meditation and connection to the Force/emotion bit.

- The whole point is to better yourself by utilizing your emotions and having an understanding / connection to all things around you.



Basically Reform Sithism = Transcendentalism with some Pagan/Taoist overtones.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:48 pm


Um... but wasn't Star Wars just a fictional movie?

mazuac

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Kraggus Doomhammer

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:15 pm


mazuac
Um... but wasn't Star Wars just a fictional movie?

It was a documentary about stuff that happened a long time ago. In a galaxy far far away.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:02 pm


mazuac
Um... but wasn't Star Wars just a fictional movie?
Yes, and Reform Sithists understand that.

As I said, we don't go with the direct belief from the movies, but adapt it. We view much of what happened in the movies and how things happened with the Sith and Jedi as a metaphor.

We don't claim to have any special powers, we don't run around with toy lightsabers. We just follow an adapted belief system.

Mr. Fascist


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Vice Captain

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:50 am


Strikes me as having more similarities with Satanism than with Neopaganism or Taoism, given the focus on the ego.

Though I find it odd that supposedly they don't believe in the Divine, when the very concept of the Force itself is one OF the Divine... sweatdrop
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:25 pm


Starlock
Strikes me as having more similarities with Satanism than with Neopaganism or Taoism, given the focus on the ego.

Though I find it odd that supposedly they don't believe in the Divine, when the very concept of the Force itself is one OF the Divine... sweatdrop
True. Sithism is more along a Satanism route with self-fufillment, and Jediism follows the others.

Though I don't really follow what you mean with the Divine. We do believe that the Force is the divine. It's just not a "God."

Mr. Fascist


kyuuketsuki4

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:22 am


Sounds like ancient hinduism to me for the most part. sweatdrop

As far as I'm concerned the religion was based off hinduism anyways and some terms translate directly. . .
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:30 am


Mr. Fascist
Starlock
Strikes me as having more similarities with Satanism than with Neopaganism or Taoism, given the focus on the ego.

Though I find it odd that supposedly they don't believe in the Divine, when the very concept of the Force itself is one OF the Divine... sweatdrop
True. Sithism is more along a Satanism route with self-fufillment, and Jediism follows the others.

Though I don't really follow what you mean with the Divine. We do believe that the Force is the divine. It's just not a "God."


So you don't treat the Divine and God as synonyms? They can be, so maybe I'm confused here.

Starlock
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Mr. Fascist

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:49 pm


Starlock

So you don't treat the Divine and God as synonyms? They can be, so maybe I'm confused here.
Not really. God usually means one person/being that has a higher power than everyone/everything else. The Force is the "Divine" because it is made up of all living things. It doesn't necessarily control us. We have the power to change our lives by tapping into the Force. Instead of being a sentient being itself, it is made up of all living things. It reacts and acts based on the emotion and thoughts of all living things. It's more of a guiding power than a higher power.

I still don't think I'm explaining it all that well, but I hope that helps somewhat.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:59 pm


Kraggus Doomhammer
mazuac
Um... but wasn't Star Wars just a fictional movie?

It was a documentary about stuff that happened a long time ago. In a galaxy far far away.

Yeah... But it wasn't made to start a religion...

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ffdarkangel

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:10 am


mazuac
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mazuac
Um... but wasn't Star Wars just a fictional movie?

It was a documentary about stuff that happened a long time ago. In a galaxy far far away.

Yeah... But it wasn't made to start a religion...
Even if it wasn't, it certainly had some ideas in it, no? In my opinion, to make a good book (assuming this in fictional) you have to put your beliefs in it. A book is a fragment of a person if it is successful. You can tell if someone doesn't care. So, this was part of the author's views on life from the world around him. He just translated them into words. If you look at other authors, you'll see what I'm talking about. If you are lucky, your words and beliefs will pass on to another generation and live again.

Keep in mind that was from a literature standpoint, not a religous one.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:26 pm


ffdarkangel
mazuac
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mazuac
Um... but wasn't Star Wars just a fictional movie?

It was a documentary about stuff that happened a long time ago. In a galaxy far far away.

Yeah... But it wasn't made to start a religion...
Even if it wasn't, it certainly had some ideas in it, no? In my opinion, to make a good book (assuming this in fictional) you have to put your beliefs in it. A book is a fragment of a person if it is successful. You can tell if someone doesn't care. So, this was part of the author's views on life from the world around him. He just translated them into words. If you look at other authors, you'll see what I'm talking about. If you are lucky, your words and beliefs will pass on to another generation and live again.

Keep in mind that was from a literature standpoint, not a religous one.

It certainly had some ideas, but I am still... confuzzeled if you will, about how "sithism" could be a religion... It was made by... Oh, never mind, I probably couldn't state that...

Oh well, I will.

It was made by man, with a basis on fictional-science movies that were created for enjoyment to the eye. So, basically, a bunch of star wars geeks get togethor and say that Star Wars could make an awesome religion by having the "force" be a thing around all living things and that meditation brings one closer to the force.

There is no... I dunno, it's so... not real!

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Rettu Skcollob

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:01 pm


mazuac


There is no... I dunno, it's so... not real!


Well, that's a little intolerant. Whether or not you believe in a religion, you shouldn't knock it.
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