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8Bit Jack

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:27 am


A few questions about them...

-Do they work?
-How do they work?
-Will karma bitchslap you for using one to harm someone else? (Even if it's just to get them bedridden with a sore throat?)
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:04 am


-Do they work? Maybe, depend who does it..
-How do they work? Depend on how that person wanted them to work.
-Will karma bitchslap you for using one to harm someone else? Maybe if you believe in karma..

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:10 pm


8Bit Jack
A few questions about them...

-Do they work?
-How do they work?
-Will karma bitchslap you for using one to harm someone else? (Even if it's just to get them bedridden with a sore throat?)


1) Like everything in magick, they only work if you want them to.
2) Sympathetic magick -- y'know how there're those people who're scared of cameras because they believe having their picture taken steals their soul? It's kind of like that. Someone's hair, fingernails, blood, sweat, tears, semen, photograph, full name, signature and the like are all bound to that person indefinitely -- maybe it's due to 'energy signatures', maybe it's just like-attracts-like, who knows. In any case, when you're making or using a voodoo doll (also known as a poppet, btw), you're often advised to have something that belongs to or identifies your target, such as the things I listed. When you have that, you can ritually tie that object to the voodoo doll, and then -- to God, to the Universe, to the karmic enforcers, whatever -- that poppet /is/ the target. Whatever happens to the doll happens to the person. In theory, anyway.
3) If you believe in it, probably.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:03 pm


Do you not believe in karma? D: It seems to be a pretty everyday thing...

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:47 pm


8Bit Jack
Do you not believe in karma? D: It seems to be a pretty everyday thing...


Well, I don't believe in past lives nor reincarnation, so Karma's out of the window. Likewise, I don't believe there's some sort of mystical undercurrent that hurts you when you do things it doesn't like. Seems to much like Christian guilt for me to believe it, but if other folk do, then that's good for them.

EDIT: Oh, and I took "How do they work?" to mean "What are the mechanics behind them?" -- if you wanted an explanation of how to /use/ them, I could fish something up for you.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:51 am


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8Bit Jack
Do you not believe in karma? D: It seems to be a pretty everyday thing...


Well, I don't believe in past lives nor reincarnation, so Karma's out of the window. Likewise, I don't believe there's some sort of mystical undercurrent that hurts you when you do things it doesn't like. Seems to much like Christian guilt for me to believe it, but if other folk do, then that's good for them.

EDIT: Oh, and I took "How do they work?" to mean "What are the mechanics behind them?" -- if you wanted an explanation of how to /use/ them, I could fish something up for you.
Naw, your explanation was the answer I needed.

I don't see Karma as an actual entity, I look at it simply as a balance; you get what you give. Basically what people call luck. I've witnessed and experienced it, so I've been a believer wayyyy before I got into metaphysical stuff. I don't claim to know why or how it happens, only that it does.

8Bit Jack


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:26 am


Mitsh
8Bit Jack
Do you not believe in karma? D: It seems to be a pretty everyday thing...


Well, I don't believe in past lives nor reincarnation, so Karma's out of the window. Likewise, I don't believe there's some sort of mystical undercurrent that hurts you when you do things it doesn't like. Seems to much like Christian guilt for me to believe it, but if other folk do, then that's good for them.

EDIT: Oh, and I took "How do they work?" to mean "What are the mechanics behind them?" -- if you wanted an explanation of how to /use/ them, I could fish something up for you.
Heh, just for my own morbid curiosity, I'd love it if you could fish something up for me on how to use voodoo dolls. <3

*is a total shameless information hoarder*
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:12 pm


As someone who has studied voodoo (and practices on occasion) I say:

-Do they work?
yes, though the result is not as obvious or glamorus as seen in movies and tv.

-How do they work?
they act as a medium through which negative or positive (yes, the dolls can be used to heal as well) energy can be transfered to another person. The connection to that person usually comes a scrap of clothing worn by them or some of their hair, holding the image of the person in mind as you stick the
doll also works.
Most dolls you buy have two pins, one black (for negative energy) and one white (for positive). In actuality, they are usually 6 pins (white, black, red, blue, green, and purple). There may be more, but that depends on how specific the practitioner wants to be.

-Will karma bitchslap you for using one to harm someone else? (Even if it's just to get them bedridden with a sore throat?)
That really all depends on your beliefs, just like any other magik, voodoo puts energy into the system, if you believe in the Wiccan Rede (as I do) then it depends on wheather what you did was good or bad. To answer simply (I am assuming from your question you believe in karma): yes, but it might not a HARD slap.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:47 am


8Bit Jack
Mitsh
8Bit Jack
Do you not believe in karma? D: It seems to be a pretty everyday thing...


Well, I don't believe in past lives nor reincarnation, so Karma's out of the window. Likewise, I don't believe there's some sort of mystical undercurrent that hurts you when you do things it doesn't like. Seems to much like Christian guilt for me to believe it, but if other folk do, then that's good for them.

EDIT: Oh, and I took "How do they work?" to mean "What are the mechanics behind them?" -- if you wanted an explanation of how to /use/ them, I could fish something up for you.
Naw, your explanation was the answer I needed.

I don't see Karma as an actual entity, I look at it simply as a balance; you get what you give. Basically what people call luck. I've witnessed and experienced it, so I've been a believer wayyyy before I got into metaphysical stuff. I don't claim to know why or how it happens, only that it does.


My beliefs in karma were based on observation too -- however, I seem to have got(ten?) a different result. The way I see it, the "good guys" don't always win, and the "bad guys" aren't always defeated. I suppose you could say karma manifests in little actions, like the "bad guy" receiving a lot of little misfortunes, but that assumes:

a) all outcomes are based on karmic retribution,
b) some outcomes are based on karmic retribution and cause and effect.
c) that some outcomes are based on karma, some are based on random chance and some are based on cause and effect.

I (personally) believe only in chance, as well as cause and effect (although you could say chance is a conglomeration of multiple effects from multiple causes).

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Mitsh
8Bit Jack
Do you not believe in karma? D: It seems to be a pretty everyday thing...


Well, I don't believe in past lives nor reincarnation, so Karma's out of the window. Likewise, I don't believe there's some sort of mystical undercurrent that hurts you when you do things it doesn't like. Seems to much like Christian guilt for me to believe it, but if other folk do, then that's good for them.

EDIT: Oh, and I took "How do they work?" to mean "What are the mechanics behind them?" -- if you wanted an explanation of how to /use/ them, I could fish something up for you.
Heh, just for my own morbid curiosity, I'd love it if you could fish something up for me on how to use voodoo dolls. <3

*is a total shameless information hoarder*


Well, personally, if I were making a voodoo doll --

1) Cut out two human-shaped bits of cloth from some material.
2) Sew them together, but leave one side open (unstitched).
3) Fill the doll with stuffing and personal affects of the person you're targeting (toenails, semen, blood, hair, their signature, their name, any details you can get about them)
4) Sew the doll up completely.
5) Baptise the doll in some fashion (you could just sprinkle some water on its head and proclaim it to be whomever, or come up with your own rite; so long as you symbolically show that the doll IS that person).
6) Give it life (Most people advise putting a hole in its mouth and breathing into it, but I'm sure someone could just give it some energy or whatever).
7) Do whatever it is you want to do. ninja of Persia raises a good point that voodoo dolls can be used in "good" magick too.

Steps 5 and 6 could be reversed, I think. It'd be personal preference which you do.
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