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 Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:41 pm
when paladin tanks hp gets upped 10% in next patch, do you think we will be accepted by the big raiding guilds finally?
i've heard it so many times, "paladin tanks aren't good enough for our guild, you don't have as much hp as warriors" next patch we will have almost equal hp to warriors if equally equipped, so i wonder if the snobbish raiders will finally accept us as a class who can tank.
this might only be on my server but i doubt it..
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:29 pm
Paladin tanks are accepted in a lot of raiding guilds. I know Lore (BE paladin) has the shield off of Illdian. It's only the ones not willing to try something new that bring up that silly argument. Any spec can be viable for raid, maybe not the best choice but still can be played.
The HP Increase will help a lot but still there will be times when a druid / warrior are better. I don't see why guilds don't bring a paladin OT. They can be so useful for AoE fights and multiple add tanking. Just gear out the paladin with some good healing gear and for fights not needing OT they can be off healers. The warrior health argument isn't all just about the difference. Warriors have oh sh!t buttons and stance dancing for fears. That will soon change with the fear changes. Warriors also have debuffs they can put on the mob and spell reflect.
On my server seems paladin tanks are openly recruited on the alliance side. Guilds sometimes even try to recruit some eek My guild is letting my widdle tankadin alt tank the packs in TK and the murlocs in SSC. I justed tanked for a gruul's lair and was OT for the fight ^^
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:46 pm
In our raiding guild we have a druid and paladin tanking. Our only warrior is fury/arms or something. You jsut need to find a guild that thinks outside the box.
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:00 pm
Just speaking from playing as main-tank on my (scrubly geared) 64 paly: HOOOO-RAAAY! whee That's my chief problem with tanking, as I learned after PuGing my brains out in SP & BF - my deaths were always attributed to me "dying too fast" - ie. "I'm used to healing people with more HP that you". ;_; I just respecced way deeper into Prot, to get Avenger's Shield, the stam booster/DS bonus, & whatever-the-talent-that-reduces-dmg-at-lessthan-21%-HP-is.
After getting increased Blessing times, this = icing on cake. Icing made of delicious fudge. <3
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:18 pm
One of our Paladins recently went to full time prot, but we only use him for Hyjal and a couple bosses in BT.
My guild has Illidan on farm.
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:47 pm
Paladins I think can be good tanks... They have good agro and can AoE agro... they just don't do great DPS in AoE... I think it realy depends on the player, but the ability to heal, the bonuses to agro gain, and AoE factor all point to Paladins being viable tanks. Hell, if shadow priests can tank, then plate-wearing, bubbling paladins should be able to.
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:18 pm
I just started playing my pally again today and specced her prot for leveling. I had a good friend who tanked instances for us all the time and he was a really good tank. My b/f was healing him and he didn't have any complaints. I think it depends on a. how good you are and b. how good the guild is you're wanting to tank for. Creativity is always fun, though. biggrin
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:25 pm
Problem most of my healers had were they didn't understand how much front load damage I'd take. If you have a tankadin most likely the group has no CC. I remember pugging Shattered Halls and the priest would start healing me at 30% ... Ahhh..... Some healers aren't used to a tank being able to hold more than 2 targets at a time with no problem. My biggest problem with pugs is annoying DPS not understanding my threat isn't Super duper. When I AoE tank things down people always go off picking off what ever add pleases them and pull aggro /head desk
I'm looking forward to 2.3 razz I might be able to tank some more fights than just boring murloc packs and Hydross adds.
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:57 pm
I've run into the same issues Indigogold. D: I find myself liking tree droods as healers much better than priests. The constant HoTs with occasional big heals works a lot better than big heals/ Renew. Next after ToLs are Holy palys, & then Shammies.
I think the next time I PuG, I'll whisper the healer & let them know my HP/ tanking style isn't the same as a warr or druids, & please don't wait until I'm in the orange to heal. <_< I don't like "telling people how to play lol", but it just seems like most people aren't used to tankadins.
And rogues/hunters love to rip aggro off me by going after an add instead of the thing with the big obnoxious skull over it. ._. Even after explaining the mark order... sigh. I try & cycle through targets, especially when Reckoning procs, to get a little more aggro oomph out there, but that won't hold back a DPS-er giving it all he's got either. That's when I stealth-Salv Bless people. rofl
My favorite PuG yet was two Arcane-spec mages, Demo-lock, & a ToL druid. :3 The lock's Felguard was getting add aggro, but it didn't matter to me, after letting Consecration tick till just about the end, those three would rush in & clear the group pretty damn quick.
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:59 pm
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:53 am
divineseraph Paladins I think can be good tanks... They have good agro and can AoE agro... they just don't do great DPS in AoE... I think it realy depends on the player, but the ability to heal, the bonuses to agro gain, and AoE factor all point to Paladins being viable tanks. Hell, if shadow priests can tank, then plate-wearing, bubbling paladins should be able to. You kidding me? My Pally is usually 2nd or 3rd in damage when we're doing a bunch of AoE pulls (read: a healer who can keep up). I beat out decently geared Feral Kitty Druids, some Mages, and Elemental Shammies. Paladin tanks are the deeps, man.
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:04 am
my pala is usually 5th on the dps meter in kara, my aggro is 40k over the other tanks in the group too usually when on a boss... after one mob im at least 50k more threat over the dpsers in kara and most of the time take over MT because of it and do a better job and require less heals than a druid or warrior who's tanking.
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:06 am
shut up d**k head... don't speak at all unless you have a good explanation or reasons why you moron.
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:40 pm
Paladins have decent tanking ability.
As far as I know, Paladins can gather and keep aggro on many mobs, but don't really scale that high on the charts for reliable aggro and reliable ability to take off aggro from other players in a snap moment. Not to mention their inability to 'taunt' enemies without aggro being on someone else in the first place.
I kind of scale Tanking the same as Healing. I minus the entire section of skills because that is a pending variable.
Paladins = best at group aggro (Consecration + that taunt off move, forgot what its called, as well as Argent Defender)
Warriors = Best medium (Versatility in aggro for both group [Spam Sunder Armors on different targets] and single [Taunt and Spamming Sunder])
Druid Tanks = Best single target aggro (Taunt + high damage means its a good single target aggro.)
I so miss the old WoW...
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:57 pm
I'm in a guild that kills Illidan and well...
I LOVE our paladin tank. Granted, he's not always tanking, he has to respec healing sometimes when its necessary but wow- he's awesome I <3 him.
For Hyjal, his bum is required. It makes doing the annoying trash waves so simple. He tanks Rage though no other bosses in there. ( Anetheron- the infernals stick to him too hard, Kaz- mana issue, Azg- no saving graces if silences go badly, Archi, ditto as Azg.)
In BT- again he is awesome on the trash packs, it makes it so much faster with him around. We use him interchangeably with druid tanks, though in general we still have most of our bosses tanked by a warrior for self-saving moves.
Personally, as long as they're flexible, I think every guild should have a paladin tank. It just makes things easier.
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