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 Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:18 am
Thank you NARAL, for telling us that abortion has to be completely unrestricted. This is a link to Ohio's state profile (we get an F). Funny thing is, I agree with the laws on everything but one. I think that mandatory counseling, a 24 hour waiting period, making sure the doctors do the procedure, have hospital or hospital-like care after a certain point, a ban on non-life-saving abortions after viability, State-run health insurance only covering life-saving abortions, and parental consent for minors (though she can get permission from a judge to bypass this) are all good things. The only thing I agree with them on is this. I think that hospitals should be allowed to refuse to do abortions, but there is no exception to this law for life-saving abortions (though there may be in practice). I don't really get how they could be against counseling and a waiting period. I mean, abortion isn't an easy choice for anyone, and this could help keep someone from making a choice that they would regret later. Plus, they call the counseling "biased" which I happen to know it isn't (someone I know was briefly a counselor in an abortion clinic, and their job was to make sure that the woman wanted an abortion and was not being influenced by a husband/boyfriend/parent into getting one). This is a response to a thread from the main page. So don't feel obligated to post info from there twice, unless you want to. *grin*
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:20 am
I wasn't fully aware of this, but I think that my views about abortion, abortion restrictions, and such have been influenced by the laws in my State.
Does anyone else have this sort of correlation?
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:42 am
My views have been influenced by state laws...I'm repulsed by them. The fact that Maryland got an A from NARAL makes me feel sick. Planned Parenthood lists "Her husband, partner, or parent wants her to have an abortion," as a common reason for women aborting. Well that doesn't sound very "My body, my choice," to me, and I would think women's rights groups on all sides of the issue would support measures like counseling that would make sure women really wanted abortions.
I agree with you, by the way, that hospitals should have to perform life-saving procedures. That's their job. If Jehovah's Witnesses runs a hospital, they need to give blood transfusions to emergency patients, I believe. Though I'm not sure if they run any hospitals so it might be irrelevant. Doctors take oaths to save lives.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:53 am
WatersMoon110 I wasn't fully aware of this, but I think that my views about abortion, abortion restrictions, and such have been influenced by the laws in my State. Does anyone else have this sort of correlation? God I hate that site just cause they call us anti-choice (and people wonder why we don't respect alot of them). Disagreeing with abortion doesn't we don't let anybody choose anything (when will people learn that anti-abortion=/= anti-choice). That site seems biased. Anyways no, California got an A+ and I still disagree with abortion is most cases. Most hospitals that I know of don't do abortions unless it's an emergency and in most emergency cases they usually just preform c-sections. Most abortions are preformed at certain clinlics. All I know is out here unless your an illegal alien or have tons of money health care sucks (I'm sure you all heared about that women dying and nobody at the hospital did anything to help her). Some hospitals here even have dumped patients that's how bad they are.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:32 pm
WatersMoon110 I think that hospitals should be allowed to refuse to do abortions, but there is no exception to this law for life-saving abortions (though there may be in practice). Really, what kind of hospital would let a patient die--at the expense of a fetus?The only thing health care workers worry about when someone dies is if there will be legal repercussions. The fetus' family is the pregnant woman's family, and a sane adult isn't going to complain because you saved her life. Nobody's going to complain that you saved their daughter's life instead of their grandchild's life, if you really did have to choose one or the other. (Well, maybe some parents would, but that's horrible.)
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:38 pm
La Veuve Zin WatersMoon110 I think that hospitals should be allowed to refuse to do abortions, but there is no exception to this law for life-saving abortions (though there may be in practice). Really, what kind of hospital would let a patient die--at the expense of a fetus?The only thing health care workers worry about when someone dies is if there will be legal repercussions. The fetus' family is the pregnant woman's family, and a sane adult isn't going to complain because you saved her life. Nobody's going to complain that you saved their daughter's life instead of their grandchild's life, if you really did have to choose one or the other. (Well, maybe some parents would, but that's horrible.) I agree there...while there are people who would bring legal action for doing an abortion, there are more who would bring legal action for NOT doing it, and those few who would take action for the abortion being done have no legal grounds if the mother requests the abortion.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:43 pm
La Veuve Zin WatersMoon110 I think that hospitals should be allowed to refuse to do abortions, but there is no exception to this law for life-saving abortions (though there may be in practice). Really, what kind of hospital would let a patient die--at the expense of a fetus?The only thing health care workers worry about when someone dies is if there will be legal repercussions. That's not true. Did read or hear about the incident about King Drew hospital and how this one woman was dying on the floor and they did nothing? She was even arrested at one point (I think for disurbing the peace or something) they didn't care about legal repercussions oviously. She might not have been pregnant but they still wouldn't help her either way.
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:58 am
I'm just gonna say it plain and clear.
NARAL can suck a c**k.
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:47 pm
divineseraph I'm just gonna say it plain and clear. NARAL can suck a c**k. Apparently not very well, though, if vaginal sex is so important to them. Seriously--suggest abstaining from vaginal sex in favor of oral, or toys..."OH MA GAWDZ NO WERE BEIN OPPREST!!1!" scream
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:59 pm
La Veuve Zin divineseraph I'm just gonna say it plain and clear. NARAL can suck a c**k. Apparently not very well, though, if vaginal sex is so important to them. Seriously--suggest abstaining from vaginal sex in favor of oral, or toys..."OH MA GAWDZ NO WERE BEIN OPPREST!!1!" scream What!? I have a closet full of toys form my last relation ship that I'd be glad to industrially disinfect and give away to all the sluts and whores if it means less slutery and whore-baggery! But...noooooo...a toy just dosn't compare to the real thing....bull s**t i say <.< I happen to have a little friend form japan that, aside from the lack of the heat factor, feels exactly like the real thing.
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:08 pm
Tiger of the Fire La Veuve Zin divineseraph I'm just gonna say it plain and clear. NARAL can suck a c**k. Apparently not very well, though, if vaginal sex is so important to them. Seriously--suggest abstaining from vaginal sex in favor of oral, or toys..."OH MA GAWDZ NO WERE BEIN OPPREST!!1!" scream What!? I have a closet full of toys form my last relation ship that I'd be glad to industrially disinfect and give away to all the sluts and whores if it means less slutery and whore-baggery! But...noooooo...a toy just dosn't compare to the real thing....bull s**t i say <.< I happen to have a little friend form japan that, aside from the lack of the heat factor, feels exactly like the real thing. True toys might not be the same but at least nobody has to worry about unwanted pregnancies. using toys instead won't ruin their relationship.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:49 am
I find it crazy how far off base the extreemist abortion rights groups and politicians go. The majority of the population supports some degree of regulation of abortions, and most people don't realize how little regulation there is. Just try stating basic facts about the lack of abortion laws in places and most abortion fanatics deny that reasonable laws don't already exist. But politicians are afraid of putting ANY restrictions on abortion because then NARAL will label them "anti-choice". What's up with the poor grades for requiring that only liscenced physicians perform abortions and or that abortion mills conform to the same standards as other clinics? Politicians who try to gather accurate data on abortion, or to uphold such standards get beaten down by a barrage of lawyers from the extreemly powerful Planned Parenthood and Naral, etc. How can these organizations deny that they're just in it for the money when they so obiviously don't really care about the "safe" part of keeping abortion "safe and legal"
As for facilities being allowed to refuse to perform abortins, I don't think they'd need a clause for life saving abortions. First off, most cases where the mother's life is in serious danger, the chances of saving the child are far smaller. Even if the mother and child's life are equally valuable, if the chances of saving the child are slim, but the mother can be saved. who wouldn't do it? But also consider that some facilities may not have the training or equipment needed to perform any abortion. In those cases, they should still refuse the procedure and refer the woman to another facility that can do it.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:33 am
sachiko_sohma Tiger of the Fire La Veuve Zin divineseraph I'm just gonna say it plain and clear. NARAL can suck a c**k. Apparently not very well, though, if vaginal sex is so important to them. Seriously--suggest abstaining from vaginal sex in favor of oral, or toys..."OH MA GAWDZ NO WERE BEIN OPPREST!!1!" scream What!? I have a closet full of toys form my last relation ship that I'd be glad to industrially disinfect and give away to all the sluts and whores if it means less slutery and whore-baggery! But...noooooo...a toy just dosn't compare to the real thing....bull s**t i say <.< I happen to have a little friend form japan that, aside from the lack of the heat factor, feels exactly like the real thing. True toys might not be the same but at least nobody has to worry about unwanted pregnancies. using toys instead won't ruin their relationship. I disagree. I have a fear of sex toys (we have one, and I can only allow my husband to use it while I am under the influence). Using only sex toys with my husband instead of actually having sex would just cause me to look elsewhere for actual sex, and would, in fact, ruin my relationship.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:43 pm
Tiger of the Fire La Veuve Zin divineseraph I'm just gonna say it plain and clear. NARAL can suck a c**k. Apparently not very well, though, if vaginal sex is so important to them. Seriously--suggest abstaining from vaginal sex in favor of oral, or toys..."OH MA GAWDZ NO WERE BEIN OPPREST!!1!" scream What!? I have a closet full of toys form my last relation ship that I'd be glad to industrially disinfect and give away to all the sluts and whores if it means less slutery and whore-baggery! But...noooooo...a toy just dosn't compare to the real thing....bull s**t i say <.< I happen to have a little friend form japan that, aside from the lack of the heat factor, feels exactly like the real thing. Wow... How about you don't talk anymore for a while whilst I go vomit. gonk Nah, I'm just kiddin' with ya! (mimimimimimi)
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:44 pm
divineseraph Tiger of the Fire La Veuve Zin divineseraph I'm just gonna say it plain and clear. NARAL can suck a c**k. Apparently not very well, though, if vaginal sex is so important to them. Seriously--suggest abstaining from vaginal sex in favor of oral, or toys..."OH MA GAWDZ NO WERE BEIN OPPREST!!1!" scream What!? I have a closet full of toys form my last relation ship that I'd be glad to industrially disinfect and give away to all the sluts and whores if it means less slutery and whore-baggery! But...noooooo...a toy just dosn't compare to the real thing....bull s**t i say <.< I happen to have a little friend form japan that, aside from the lack of the heat factor, feels exactly like the real thing. Wow... How about you don't talk anymore for a while whilst I go vomit. gonk Nah, I'm just kiddin' with ya! (mimimimimimi)when your 18, looking up Asian porn, and board out of your mind because Chuck Norris actually put a restraining order on you (******** YOU CHUCK! scream ), you'll think differently.
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