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Selenai

PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:59 pm


If a critical analysis of the SasuNaru pairing is going to bother you, then you probably shouldn’t read this. I am not bashing SasuNaru. What I am attempting to do is criticize the feminine portrayal of Naruto in typical SasuNaru fan works, and to use that critique to explain why some fans prefer the NaruSasu dynamic. Again, if this sounds like it will insult you, then you probably shouldn’t read it.


“Why NaruSasu?”

I’ve seen a lot of people asking this question lately, and while I can’t speak for every NaruSasu fan, I can at least give my take on why I, personally, prefer this version of the pairing between Sasuke and Naruto.

A lot of my reasoning comes not so much from Sasuke’s character, but from Naruto’s. I was, admittedly, at first equally fond of the pairing either way. I love both characters, I love the interesting relationship that they develop over the course of the series, and any fan fiction or fanart which competently shows that relationship developing into something more is something that I will enjoy.

Notice, however, the word ‘competently,’ and take into consideration the fact that I don’t consider turning either one of the characters into a girl to be competent. The reason I was pushed away from SasuNaru is because every fanfic that I read with the pairing done that way turned Naruto into a weepy, whiney, and most importantly weak girl. So, to start off, I’ll go into Naruto’s character and explain why I think this portrayal of him butchers the actual character that Kishimoto created.

Naruto’s Character

Naruto is, first of all, very male. I have three younger brothers, and I can promise you that as the series starts out, Naruto is the epitome of a typical twelve-year-old boy. He is loud, obnoxious, and has no concept of politeness or manners. He knows what he wants, and shouts it to anyone who will listen. Whether it’s his dream to become hokage, to make Sakura his girlfriend, whatever, he’s not at all shy about it. As the main character of the series, Naruto obviously develops into a very powerful individual. I fail to see the weak, needy creature portrayed in fanart and fan fiction.

Fandom’s Portrayal

You’ll notice, both in Naruto’s description in typical SasuNaru fan fiction and his portrayal in SasuNaru fanart, that he seems to be an overly thin, feminine, large-eyed, limp-haired individual. This change should be even more obvious than the change that takes place with his personality. Just one look at Naruto in the series shows that he is far from ‘overly thin.’ Let’s face it, guys, his face is downright chubby before the timeskip, and personally, I find it adorable. I wouldn’t change it for anything. Which brings me to Naruto’s eyes.

Yes, Naruto does have larger eyes than Sasuke. However, I don’t equate this with meaning that he’s a ‘wuvy wittle uke boy who needs his Sasuke to save him with his love!” I take this more to indicate Naruto’s innocence, in many ways. He’s spent his life shunned by the village, but he’s also been very sheltered in a way that Sasuke has not. He doesn’t really understand the world for what it is, which is a very simplistic view, but, again, does not make him feminine in any way; it makes him childish. It allows him to be the boyish hero that the series needs.

Continuing on the concept of his eyes, but from a more superficial standpoint, while Naruto’s eyes are bigger than Sasuke’s, he squints them quite a bit, especially before the timeskip. I’ve always found that to be one of Naruto’s most likeable traits, and was incredibly disappointed when I saw a thread in another guild suggesting that he not do it so much, because it ‘hides his gorgeous eyes!’ It was, to me, just another attempt to turn Naruto into what the fan girls want him to be, as opposed to what he is, the character that Kishimoto created.

Okay, we’ve gone over the eyes, let’s move to Naruto’s hair. This is, aside from Naruto’s weight, the most obvious physical change that I see to his character, most noticeably in fanart. Naruto’s spiky, boyish hair becomes somehow flat and silky. The one and only time we see Naruto’s hair like this is when it’s wet, and even then it’s not to the degree that it is done in fan fiction. While artistic license is fine, the problem is, again, that fans start to believe that this is what Naruto actually looks like. They push the fan-altered hair, along with the other previously mentioned, fan-altered physical attributes, onto the actual character and use them in arguments as to why Naruto is a ’girly uke.’

If we’re looking purely at the physical, Sasuke is the one with the more feminine attributes. The longer, more ‘flowing’ hair, the pale skin, the way he’s more precise and has less of the typical, almost clumsy nature usually attributed to men. He’s also often shown in more stereotypically ‘feminine’ poses than Naruto is.

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Sasuke and Naruto’s Relationship

I often hear the argument that Naruto would be more willing to let Sasuke top him simply because he’s the more emotional of the two, the more willing to let his love for the other overcome his need for dominance over him. This is really untrue. Sasuke is very emotional. He is affected by his emotions in a way that no one else in the series is. His emotions are what Itachi uses against him. His emotions are a big part of what drove him to leave Konoha in the first place. Sasuke even makes efforts to suppress them-giving him the emotionless appearance that people refer to-because they are so strong and control him so completely, and it’s a ‘weakness’ that he recognizes.

Because of the emotion that Naruto shows (and, like a true little boy, he's rather loud about it), many fans take it to mean that he'd be willing to just... take it in the name of true love or something, just so that he could prove to Sasuke that he really loves him. Well... this analysis of Naruto is a bit confusing. While he is a very empathetic person (which is what drives him to help Gaara and Haku), he's also a very single-minded character at times. He doesn't really see things in the same perspective as everyone else. Like when it came to Sasuke in the VotE battle, Naruto wasn't quite able to comprehend anything aside from the fact that Sasuke was leaving the village, and that all of his friends had put their lives in danger. Naruto thought it was all about power, when in actuality, it was about revenge. Or when it came to Neji, for example. All Naruto really understood was that Neji had been screwed over by his family. There was no way he'd be able to understand the complexities of the Hyuuga clan. So he just let it go. And he can get away with that, because he's a little boy. That's just the way it works.

So when saying that Naruto would give everything to Sauke in the name of TRU LUV or something, keep in mind that Naruto would probably never just give himself to something so... frivolous. I also don't think there are any girls who would do that in Naruto-verse, seeing as how in a ninja village, there would just be so much more to worry about and to deal with in general, I doubt they would have time to ponder the complexities of TRU LUV. In fact, that sort of thing doesn’t often come up in the series. It’s there, like with Zabuza and Haku, for example, but it’s never able to be what we think of as true love. It’s often in the background, because there are life and death things going on (think of Asuma and Kurenai, here).

Also, one has to take into consideration that Sasuke has had a rather messed up childhood, what with Itachi and everything. I mean, even to non-ItaSasu fans, it's easy to see the child that Sasuke was: easy going, cheerful, eager to please. It just seems that after everything he's lost (whereas Naruto had nothing to begin with), he'd do whatever it took to keep something that he'd gained (obviously so long as it didn't interfere with Itachi-hunting). Sasuke is very developed as a character. He's very well-rounded, intelligent, and more mature for his age than most kids (even though his behaviour at the VotE is a little... touch and go; he often lets his emotions get in the way of his common sense). I believe that he, with very little effort, would be able to comprehend the way a relationship really works between two people. In the bedroom and out of it. Which is why I think he'd just let it happen and go with it (and this isn't even counting the fact that TJ!Sasuke would probably think that he OWES Naruto for what happened between them), accepting the fact that Naruto would be unwilling to show 'weakness'.

Sasuke’s personality aside, though, Naruto’s main drive with Sasuke has always been to be seen as his equal or better. That’s basically what the entire first part of the series is about. Allowing Sasuke to dominate him would shatter that. Naruto is in no way submissive- I honestly do not believe that he could be the main character of a shounen manga if he was. He works for what he wants, and growing up the way he did, he understands that he cannot expect help from anyone. He’s very independent, in that sense. His relationship with Sasuke reflects this: he doesn’t want Sasuke to coddle him or treat him like a weakling. Naruto could never be happy being treated as inferior to Sasuke in any way; especially sexually, I think.

Also, along the same basic train of thought, Sasuke is psychologically more mature than Naruto is. Whereas Sasuke would probably be more likely to understand that the bottom in a relationship is not necessarily the weaker partner, but actually has more power in the relationship and control of the situation, Naruto simply wouldn't get it. It's just something that to him would symbolize a weakness that he'd think would force Sasuke away from him.

Typical Arguments:

"But look at this scene of the anime! Look how pretty Naruto looks!"

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Yes, Naruto has his pretty moments. But if having a few pretty moments makes a character girly, then we have to go find a decently sharp knife and chop off Sasuke’s p***s right now. And Itachi’s. And Deidara’s. Hell, let’s girly-fy the whole cast and give them boobs to match!

Joking aside, my point is that there are plenty of pretty male characters in the series, but that doesn’t make them girly in any way. Neji is a great example. When I first saw a picture of him, I had not yet seen him in the anime or the manga. When he did finally show up, based on his appearance, I was expecting a very feminine character. I got instead… Neji. Who, while not as obviously boyish as Naruto, has a more mature masculinity about him that is still not feminine in any way. Naruto, on the other hand, doesn’t even have a ‘pretty’ look all the time. It happens in rare moments, more in the anime than the manga, which fan girls (including me) like to screencap and squee over. The typical Naruto, however, has a boyish look about him: short, spiky hair, tanned skin, etc. It’s almost as if Kishimoto was trying to push the fact that Naruto is a typical boy… who just happens to have a demon sealed inside of him. It makes for an interesting contrast, which is what I think he was going for: to avoid the usual anime representation of what a ‘demonic’ character would be like (probably closer to Sasuke’s personality).

Another thing to keep in mind is that this is not how Naruto always looks. Hell, it's not even how he usually looks. This appearance is very rare for Naruto, and it's unfair to characterize him based purely on one or two instances of physical appearance while leaving the entire rest of the series-and how he looks in it- out. It's actually very superficial, don't you think? Kind of like picking and choosing very miniscule things that you like about him, and disregarding everything else as irrelevant.

Akatsuki Member Hoshiko
while your points are very true. i still will remain as a SasuNaru fan, not the other way around. i still think this way because of the noise level coming out of both of them, while Naruto is the typical 12-year-old boy and Sasuke had truama in his life causing him to change his view on life, Naruto is very whiney, somewhat like a girl sort of whiney[have you ever seen those sterotypical girls who get al whiney when they dont get there way? -_-; thats what im reffering to.] while Sasuke is almost equally whiney, he mostly keeps it inside. so when something pisses Sasuke off he walks away, sort of like aguy who doenst care, meanwhile if Narto gets pissed he goes balstic like a girl, trying to prove other wise. then you have the power part, Sasuke has power know what he's doing [for the most part] while Naruto's power's are getting there he fumbles alot much like Sakura, Ino, and Hinata.[not saying they arent strong just they fumble with there strengths.and this is pre time-skip. Sakura gets alotof powerin the Shippuuden and she knows how to use it.]Sakura, Ino, and Hinata fumble alot much like Naruto thinking they have much more power[or in Hinata's case alot less power] than they really do. so Naruto is constantly winging it n matches. SAsuke seems to have ahandle on his power and ablities and doesnt have a problem using themat the right moment.

and while the fan drawings of Naruto having flatten hair, are cute, you are correct they dont sho off the fact that Naruto is more masculine than they show. but here's another thing, Naruto created the Sexy Jutsu, a female character, so Naruto is more femine than you think,peverted in his femine side but still, a femalish character. =3


Actually, let's start with the sexy no jutsu, because that's a misconception that annoys me more than most others xD; I should have put that in the essay itself, but it completely slipped my mind. The sexy no jutsu does not make Naruto feminine anymore than doing the male/male version of the jutsu to impress Sakura made Konohamaru gay. It makes Naruto smart, and it makes him perverted. It is in no way feminine, it is actually very masculine to know what sort of woman other men will like. Again, if you were going along that train of thought, you'd also have to assume that because Konohamaru did the SasuSai version, that he's gay. But Konohamaru at least at one time had a thing for Moegi. So no, the sexy no jutsu does not make Naruto feminine in any way. It makes him a smart guy who knows what kind of woman he and other guys would like to see naked ^^;

The whining thing? You would be right, except that you're looking at twelve-year-old Naruto. Notice that older Naruto stops a lot of that, after the timeskip? In assuming that it's a feminine thing to do, you're keeping in mind older boys/men, and not taking into account that the Naruto you're talking about is twelve. I have three little brothers, trust me, twelve-year-old boys are very whiney. It doesn't make them girly, it just makes them annoying.

As for Naruto's power, I don't really see how the way he fights makes him girly. He's actually very boyish in his fighting style, as well, in that he just throws himself into a fight with no real regard for what he's doing. Sakura, Ino, and Hinata aren't like that, they just lack the brute strength (before the timeskip) that the male characters have. Naruto is in no way lacking in brute strength (can we say Kyuubi? - he's probably one of the most overall powerful characters in the series), just in tactical skills. Sakura is actually a very tactical fighter, so there's not really any similarity between their fighting styles.

Sooo... while you can continue to believe that Naruto is girly if you want to, you're going to have to provide some better proof in order to convince me. xD Thanks for trying, though, you're one of the first people who has bothered and I was really looking forward to more discussion with people.

Blue Aether
I have heard many people say that Sasuke is uke 'cause his name ends in "uke" *rolls eyes* if you have even a basic knowleadge of Japanese, you will find out that the "yaoi" term uke has nothing to do with Sasuke.

Anyway, I think Sasuke is seme because: he is the silent, dark type, and he likes to take control of everything. If you follow the anime and manga, you will know what I mean. Naruto also likes to have control, but he loves Sasuke and is always worried about him, and I think he would gladly let Sasuke control the situation (giving him hell for it from time to time!) ^w^

And now I will speak from my point of view; please mind the fact that I do not watch the anime, I only read the manga (I hate the anime 'cause they make Naruto look like a dumb fool)

Although it is true that at the beginning of the manga Naruto is very "boyish", in the latest manga chapters he has shown a more warm side of himself, almost to the point of crying... and it was when he was speaking of Sasuke! ^-^


I didn't bring up the SasUKE thing in the essay because, while it might be amusing to joke about, like the 'SasuNaru sounding better than NaruSasu' thing that someone else mentioned, it has no place in a serious discussion. It would only hurt my argument to use pointless things like that. Which is why I kept what little joking I did use to the "Just For Fun" section, to emphasize the point that none of that was honestly a part of my argument for NaruSasu.

I can't really respond to what you said in the second paragraph, because Selenai and I already basically refuted that in the essay. If you want to look over it again, feel free, I don't really have the energy to go over all of it again at the moment xD; *writing a paper for class*

As for the rest, I don't think Naruto has shown a more 'warm' side of himself at all. He was always very empathetic, if you'll remember things like the Zabuza and Haku arc, as well as the way he got so upset about the treatment of Neji and other Hyuugas by the main branch. Those are only two examples, but I'm fairly sure there are other times as well. Naruto is a lot less likely to burst into tears after the timeskip, and he seems a bit more... cold, at times. I think that's all a part of growing up, though, and also a result of some of the things he's been through. Keep in mind, as well, that while yaoi!anime and manga may sometimes make it seem this way, being dark and brooding is NOT a requirement of topping in a relationship xD; Just for a personal experience reference: my first real relationship with another girl was with a girl who was smaller than me, and very happy and hyper (while I am tall, pale, with long dark hair, and have a tendency towards being quiet and rather cynical), and she was definitely the more dominant of the two of us xD;

Also, this is just my opinion, but being an empathetic person =/= "I'm a girl!" or "I bottom in bed!" It = "I'm a decent human being! icon_biggrin.gif" xD

Orgo
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the best know yaoi couple Yuki and Shuichi from Gravitation? And doesn't Naruto strike you as more of a Shuichi type, they're both so loud and hyper. Where as Sasuke is most like Yuki, all cool and quiet like, plus they're both older than their partners.
All I'm saying is, Naruto's character is better matched for the uke role.


I actually answered this in the essay, too, so I won't go entirely into it again. All I'll say is review what was said about Naruto's personality, and question whether them both being loud is enough to qualify their personalities as the same. Most guys that I know are loud (especially younger ones, like Naruto), that doesn't make them anything like Shuichi, and it doesn't make them ukes. Or, you know, gay at all. Also, Shuichi is more of the flamboyant, stereotypically gay kind of loud, while Naruto is a 'young boy, yelling every idea that comes to him' kind of loud.

Yuki and Shuichi may be the most famous yaoi couple, but it's honestly not one I particularly like. I won't go into that, because I don't want the angry yaoi mob to come after me xD The only thing I can really say is that Naruto's only similarity to Shuichi is that they are both loud. Why does one character have to fit into the uke role? Because all that role is, in most fanfiction and even yaoi manga, is the female role. Why does it have to be that way? I like yaoi because it's two men together. Why can't the relationship be something new, that suits both characters' personalities without turning one of them into a girl or shoving them into that role?

All that aside, your argument is based on stereotypes. Sasuke is cool and quiet like Yuki, obviously a top. Naruto is loud like Shuichi, obviously a bottom. I think we should look more at the character's actual personality, and decide for ourselves whether, as a character, they would prefer to top or bottom during sex, if that is our focus. The focus of my essay, though, is more on exposing the portrayal of a 'girly' Naruto when canon Naruto is not girly at all, and explaining why that OOC portrayal pushes some people away from SasuNaru. Even if you hold that Naruto's loudness makes him Shuichi-like, do you honestly see him as being canonly girly, as fanfiction portrays him to be?

I intended to have more in this section, but I was finishing this thing up really late at night, and my brain just refused to work… If anyone has anything they’d like to add to the Arguments Section, whether it’s your own argument for SasuNaru, or one you’ve often heard, post it and I’ll add it here in the first post, with a response if you don’t already have one.

Conclusion

My point here is not, by any means, to down the SasuNaru fandom. Not at all. We’re all Naruto yaoi fans, and we get enough s**t from anime fans who have jumped on the “hate Naruto” bandwagon, not to mention those who just hate yaoi in general. My aim is to simply answer the “Why NaruSasu?” question, while at the same time explaining that while there is nothing wrong with preferring fan works featuring the feminized version of Naruto, he is the not the actual Naruto created by Kishimoto. He is the fans’ representation of Kishimoto’s character. I only insist on making this distinction because so many fans have seen this version of Naruto so many times that they actually begin to believe that this is what Naruto is really like, and that is why I think they have so much of a problem understanding why someone might prefer NaruSasu. Therefore, pointing out the distinction is necessary in explaining NaruSasu. You see, those fans are right, to a certain extent. The feminized version of Naruto is so popular in fan fiction that it’s hard to find anything else - as someone who has been a NaruSasu fan for about two years now, that problem is all too clear to me. If I had seen and read that version of Naruto so many times that it became real to me, then I’d definitely have a hard time seeing Naruto top a cupcake, much less Sasuke, which is why I decided to write this. If you’ve forgotten Naruto’s true character, then it really is going to be impossible for you to understand NaruSasu.

Neither Sasuke or Naruto is weak or girly. The reason why I like yaoi is because it is two men together. I think that the problem with SasuNaru many times is that people are so used to heterosexual couples that they want to find a character in a yaoi pairing to push into the typically feminine role. However, in a pairing where both characters are masculine, this can only be achieved by changing one character’s personality. This is fine in something like Gravitation, where Shuichi naturally accepts the feminine role in the relationship, or in yaoi involving original characters, where you might have a more typically submissive or feminine character. However, when neither character fits easily into this role, as with Sasuke and Naruto, instead of forcing one of them into it, I think it’s better to envision an entirely new kind of relationship that doesn’t fit into society’s typical idea of a heterosexual pairing. After all, isn’t that what yaoi’s supposed to be all about?

Just for Fun!

First, a chronicle of Sasuke’s epic amounts of gay. (Keep in mind that these are just for fun. I don’t see canon!Sasuke as all that much girlier than Naruto, he’s just amusing to make fun of.)

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How could we forget curse seal Sasuke? He comes with lipstick and hair extensions.

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Limp-wristed. Or asking Kakashi if his nails are dry yet- following in his big brother‘s footsteps.

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The flute is a phallic symbol. <3

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…There’s really nothing to say here.

And finally, a little Naruto to finish things up.

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Naruto seems to be hiding something rather large under there. Seriously, guys, he should be putting that thing to good use.



Co-written with Chieira.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:32 pm


Fist off... Last picture, unfortunaitly he has his leg up and that is all. Only wished it was something perverted. XD

Now, I agree with what you said. Naruto is often transformed from the masculin character into a bumbleing idiot girlly man. It kind of annoys me seeing fanfiction where he is turned practically into a chick going all crazy for Sasuke, and any other Naruto character.

You make a good point about how Naruto would more or likely object to being the botom of a sexual relationship with Sasuke, but even if for some cray reason he was, he can still be the strong main malke character in the show/manga. Look at Gravitation for example. The main character, Shuichi Shindou follows the stareotyp of the uke. He his pretty much, an over-dramatic woman who just happens to have a p***s and is in love with a man who is a compleat b*****d.

In my fanfictuion whereI pair Naruto up with Sasuke, I try to have both of them extremely vulnrable to the other. I have Naruto vent out his frustration he has with life because, like you said, he has been shunned by the village because of their ignorance of huim being human instead of being the demon vessel. I try to show weakness of Sasuke by showing that he is still in pain with the death of his family and the betrail he had been forced to deal with because of his brother.

Now when it comes to both Naruto and Sasuke being emotionally mature... I would have to say Naruto. I know this sounds surprizing, but the reason for this is because Sasuke in some sence was forced to grow up quicker than the other biys, but everything eles emotionally stopped growing. Sasuke is much more mature than Naruto, but that is it when it comes to emotions. Naruto is more willing to get hurt emotionally because in a subconcouse level he has learned that getting hurt like that can make people stronger. Sasuke'saloofness tends is his defence against people. In a sence it is like "If I am away from them, I can't hurt them and they can't hurt me", and that is unhealthy for any human to experiance. We must put ourselves in vulnreable positions in order to learn and grow. But that emotional wound he got the day he discovered what Itachi had done is still as freash as that day.

As I said about Sasuke's emotional growth, everything eles is fine. He is an intelegent young boy, strong and atractive. But he is just as emotional, if not more so, than Naruto. Both of them can understand the sence of not hhaving a family, but Sasuke did have one at one point, as Naruto lost them when he was a baby.

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Look at the picture above. Naruto is a child on the before (Antes) and in the after (Despues) is the time skip to show that he still does keep his masculinity.

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As for Sasuke... He seems to have lost it a little but still has some shred of masculintiy. Now, having some sort of dignity about the cloths... Let's say he would rather look more fashonable wearing Lee's green suit...

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moonchicken

PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:15 pm


^^ i never really thought of NaruSasu like what you said......I almost started the "naruto's weaker than sasuke" thoughts in my head because of all the fanfiction and the natural want in my own head. But you've made me think a little out of the box and im glad. Now i wont be stuck in the loop with all the others. lol XD -huggless- yay for people changing my thoughts!!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:24 am


moonchicken
^^ i never really thought of NaruSasu like what you said......I almost started the "naruto's weaker than sasuke" thoughts in my head because of all the fanfiction and the natural want in my own head. But you've made me think a little out of the box and im glad. Now i wont be stuck in the loop with all the others. lol XD -huggless- yay for people changing my thoughts!!


^^ I'm glad we changed your mind a little. Fandom seems to come up with its own idea of what a person should be like sometimes xD I think it has to do a lot with the fact that Naruto is shorter, blond, blue eyes, and has a female seiyuu, to tell you the truth xD But it happens.

Selenai


Chieira
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:28 am


Selenai
moonchicken
^^ i never really thought of NaruSasu like what you said......I almost started the "naruto's weaker than sasuke" thoughts in my head because of all the fanfiction and the natural want in my own head. But you've made me think a little out of the box and im glad. Now i wont be stuck in the loop with all the others. lol XD -huggless- yay for people changing my thoughts!!


^^ I'm glad we changed your mind a little. Fandom seems to come up with its own idea of what a person should be like sometimes xD I think it has to do a lot with the fact that Naruto is shorter, blond, blue eyes, and has a female seiyuu, to tell you the truth xD But it happens.


xD Exactly. The problem is, though, it's distressing that people automatically see blond hair and blue eyes and think, "Girly uke!" without bothering to even consider the character's personality. Besides the fact that Naruto's seiyuu doesn't make him girly... the fact that he has a female one means that his voice is the closest, out of all the male characters' in the series, to what an actual twelve-year-old boy's voice would sound like. Lots of twelve-year-olds haven't had their voices change yet xD; I always thought it was strange how deep Sasuke's voice sounded. As much as I LIKE his voice, it belonged with an older character xD But then, anime does that a lot.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:34 pm


Chieira
Selenai
moonchicken
^^ i never really thought of NaruSasu like what you said......I almost started the "naruto's weaker than sasuke" thoughts in my head because of all the fanfiction and the natural want in my own head. But you've made me think a little out of the box and im glad. Now i wont be stuck in the loop with all the others. lol XD -huggless- yay for people changing my thoughts!!


^^ I'm glad we changed your mind a little. Fandom seems to come up with its own idea of what a person should be like sometimes xD I think it has to do a lot with the fact that Naruto is shorter, blond, blue eyes, and has a female seiyuu, to tell you the truth xD But it happens.


xD Exactly. The problem is, though, it's distressing that people automatically see blond hair and blue eyes and think, "Girly uke!" without bothering to even consider the character's personality. Besides the fact that Naruto's seiyuu doesn't make him girly... the fact that he has a female one means that his voice is the closest, out of all the male characters' in the series, to what an actual twelve-year-old boy's voice would sound like. Lots of twelve-year-olds haven't had their voices change yet xD; I always thought it was strange how deep Sasuke's voice sounded. As much as I LIKE his voice, it belonged with an older character xD But then, anime does that a lot.


I always found his voice to be a little odd in the Japanese version. It sounded like he was a heavy drunkard. And Naruto's voice sounded too whinny for me, but then again, I do think little kid's voices a a little too whinny like that. Now, in the English version, Naruto['s voice is a bit deeper, like he is starting to hit puberty so I really didn't have too much of a problem, but Sasuke's voice, along with Gaara's voice, seemed to sound like they were taking hormones to speed up puberty.

((Oh and this is Dork_Iruka_Ninja, just to let you all know.))

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Buddygirl

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:13 pm


Okay, I LOVE myself some NaruSasu. I totaly agree with everything that's been said but I do want to add some of my own comments.

Naruto (as stated earlier) is the epitome of the typical boy. Now we all know that Naruto CAN'T be normal but he tries so hard to be. I don't think Naruto would be able to stand being on bottom just beause he tries SO hard to be masculine. Most people think the uke as a weakling who cries a lot a.k.a. a girl. Naruto tries his absolute hardest to try to seem manly and cool. He likes Sakura, (a complete girly girl.) he wears bright orange and blue (can't pick out clothes {So many people think that just because you're gay you have an awesome fasion sense. Can you say stereotype?}), and he pulls lots of pranks (another trait mainly given to guys.). if Naruto were to be on bottom I think he would tink himself unmasculine and weak.(But when you think about it, guys on bottom have to be strong.)

Also Naruto has confidance issues. He seems extremely confidant and arrogant to strangers but you see that behind closed doors he used to not believe in himself. He would probably feel horrible if he let anyone into him. Especially as early as some fangirls have him and Sasuke doing it.

In the end, I don't think that Sasuke and Naruto's relationship is black and white. In most gay relationships there isn't just one on top and one on bottom. It's a give and take relationship. Literally.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:01 am


Buddygirl
Okay, I LOVE myself some NaruSasu. I totaly agree with everything that's been said but I do want to add some of my own comments.

Naruto (as stated earlier) is the epitome of the typical boy. Now we all know that Naruto CAN'T be normal but he tries so hard to be. I don't think Naruto would be able to stand being on bottom just beause he tries SO hard to be masculine. Most people think the uke as a weakling who cries a lot a.k.a. a girl. Naruto tries his absolute hardest to try to seem manly and cool. He likes Sakura, (a complete girly girl.) he wears bright orange and blue (can't pick out clothes {So many people think that just because you're gay you have an awesome fasion sense. Can you say stereotype?}), and he pulls lots of pranks (another trait mainly given to guys.). if Naruto were to be on bottom I think he would tink himself unmasculine and weak.(But when you think about it, guys on bottom have to be strong.)

Also Naruto has confidance issues. He seems extremely confidant and arrogant to strangers but you see that behind closed doors he used to not believe in himself. He would probably feel horrible if he let anyone into him. Especially as early as some fangirls have him and Sasuke doing it.

In the end, I don't think that Sasuke and Naruto's relationship is black and white. In most gay relationships there isn't just one on top and one on bottom. It's a give and take relationship. Literally.


That is a very nice statement. But relationships in general are a give and take. Most fangirls tend to think that in gay relationships, once they are bottom, they are bottom. Don't get me wrong, there are gay people who do have a prefrence on who tops and who bottoms. But over all, they tend to switch.

Now, if Naruto and Sasuke were to take a romantic/sexual relationshiop, Naruto would more likely believe that if he were submissive to Sasuke, then he is addmitting that he is weaker than Sasuke and will forever be inequal to him.

To me, it seems that it fits more into Sasuke's personality to be the uke, or have some sort of sexual partner. We as humans are kind of like birds. If you have two birds of the opposet sex they will fall in love and only mate with them. If one of them were to be taken from them, they would end up being misserable and in a sence will eventually "die from a broken heart". We as humans are ment to be like that. We are ment to put emotion into sex.

For that reason, it would seem logical that one of the reasons for Sasuke was saying he wants to rejuvinaite his clan is not only for that, but perhapes in his mind set, sex means that somebody loves him and will in some sence never hurt him. The person who is willing to have sex with him is willing to be his mate for life. And that is perhapes one of the only times he will ever put himself up for weakness. Those who tend to be emotional will put emotion into sex. Yes, Sasuke is a ninja, and I can only assume that many ninja will put little or no emotion in sex because their lives are too dangerouse and they will hurt the ones they love most if they were ever to die or never return from a mission.

Sasuke is more like a child when it comes to emotional development. He can be the most miture person in all the village, but because of being highly emotional and being unable to cope with it, he will cast his maturity aside and do something he would have never done if he was in his cool state of mind. I am sure that he woulod have never even bothered to leave the village if it weren't for his and Naruto's little fight.

That is an other thing about Sasuke and Naruto. One is more wiling to kill than the other. Sasuke was willing to seriously injure - kill even, Naruto and Sakura when she got in the way. Naruto was horrified when Haku wanted Naruto to kill him when Haku felt that he was no longer a tool Zabuza didn't need any longer. Naruto, dispite the crule unfair life he has lived, still vies the world in an enchanting innocence. Sasuke sees the world the way we all are awear exist, one with violence, greed, anger, and death.

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Selenai

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:52 pm


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That is a very nice statement. But relationships in general are a give and take. Most fangirls tend to think that in gay relationships, once they are bottom, they are bottom. Don't get me wrong, there are gay people who do have a prefrence on who tops and who bottoms. But over all, they tend to switch.

Now, if Naruto and Sasuke were to take a romantic/sexual relationshiop, Naruto would more likely believe that if he were submissive to Sasuke, then he is addmitting that he is weaker than Sasuke and will forever be inequal to him.

To me, it seems that it fits more into Sasuke's personality to be the uke, or have some sort of sexual partner. We as humans are kind of like birds. If you have two birds of the opposet sex they will fall in love and only mate with them. If one of them were to be taken from them, they would end up being misserable and in a sence will eventually "die from a broken heart". We as humans are ment to be like that. We are ment to put emotion into sex.

For that reason, it would seem logical that one of the reasons for Sasuke was saying he wants to rejuvinaite his clan is not only for that, but perhapes in his mind set, sex means that somebody loves him and will in some sence never hurt him. The person who is willing to have sex with him is willing to be his mate for life. And that is perhapes one of the only times he will ever put himself up for weakness. Those who tend to be emotional will put emotion into sex. Yes, Sasuke is a ninja, and I can only assume that many ninja will put little or no emotion in sex because their lives are too dangerouse and they will hurt the ones they love most if they were ever to die or never return from a mission.

Sasuke is more like a child when it comes to emotional development. He can be the most miture person in all the village, but because of being highly emotional and being unable to cope with it, he will cast his maturity aside and do something he would have never done if he was in his cool state of mind. I am sure that he woulod have never even bothered to leave the village if it weren't for his and Naruto's little fight.

That is an other thing about Sasuke and Naruto. One is more wiling to kill than the other. Sasuke was willing to seriously injure - kill even, Naruto and Sakura when she got in the way. Naruto was horrified when Haku wanted Naruto to kill him when Haku felt that he was no longer a tool Zabuza didn't need any longer. Naruto, dispite the crule unfair life he has lived, still vies the world in an enchanting innocence. Sasuke sees the world the way we all are awear exist, one with violence, greed, anger, and death.




xD;;;;; Wow. I think I have to say that I agree with some of what you said in your post. I mean, obviously I ship NaruSasu since SasuNaru is just... I dunno, some kind of alien thing, but I don't know if I entirely agree with what you said closer to the end.

I believe, and I'm fairly sure it was canon, that Sasuke left the village because of what Itachi did to him. It was his fight with Naruto on the rooftop of the hospital that made him realise, in his mind, that he wasn't getting any stronger, and that he'd never be able to get revenge on Itachi for what happened to his family.

That's Sasuke's biggest problem (or not, for me, since ItaSasu is my OTP)- Itachi. Sasuke is so consumed and obsessed with Itachi that he's willing to sacrifice anything to destroy him. Although he hasn't shown any inclination to kill Sakura (he knocked her unconscious and left after saying thank-you), and when it came to Naruto... well, I think Sasuke knows that Naruto can take care of himself. I mean, at first he obviously went at it with an intent to kill (the fist through the chest, yeah.... xD; Not nice.), but at the end of their battle with Naruto the way he was... Sasuke could have killed him. But he didn't. And even with Orochimaru.... Sasuke won't kill ANYONE. He thinks it's too primal for him. Thinks it'll make him too much like his brother.

Anyways, I was going to say that while I do know a few gay men who do switch in the bedroom, and an equal amount who prefer it one way or another, I find that I, personally, prefer there to be one dominant partner. And when it comes to Sasuke xD; I prefer him to be bottom to anyone he comes across.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:35 pm


With Sasuke and Naruto, the thing is, both of them are very emotional. It is just with Sasuke's mind set that he would want to be loved and truely loved. All the girls in the show go crazy over him just because he is attractive. For Sasuke, it looks like he would be more attracted to somebody who would curse his name just for being a jerk. It seems more reasonable because of how he is trated. Alot of the girls in the show trat him as if he is some sort of Sexual Deity, when he is just an emotionally confused child. In a sence, the girls are coddleing him when he really shouldn't. That time has already ended for him. It was ok when his family died when he was a little kid, but now he is becoming a young man and must learn that life sucks but he can make it better for himself.

Naruto learned that. He learned from an early age that coddleing will do little or no good in becoming better. That is why Naruto acts like an a** every time somebody trys to help him. It is understandable that Naruto would act like that simply because he is driven to have Sasuke accknowlegde him as an equal or supiriority. That is one of his goals that he was striving. I personally feel that if Naruto were to become Hokage, it wouldn't mean much if Sasuke really didn't see it as a great big deal.

If we remember in the Chunnin Exams when Sasuke lost to Lee and Naruto pointed out how Ssuke would have not even stood a chance. Sasuke obviously got mad, but Sasukera vented for Sasuke. Naruto explained his reasoning because of Lee's hand being rough as if he had been training until he plumited, alot more than what Sasuke trains.

Sasuke was too buisy seeing everybody eles improve that he didn't realise he was improving as well. Now he was improving at a slower rate, but improving nevertheless. He would have improved more if he trained harder. He just needs the determination both Lee and Naruto have. Sasuke had grown to think that because he has talent, he didn't need to train as hard as the others.

That mind set is not good for anybody. May it be a ninja, buisness person, or even a singer and artist. My choir teacher said that he would rather have a choir that was determend and couldn't sing a note, than to have a choir that had talent but would not work on it. It's the same with alot of people. When they see somebody with so much talent, but are just so undetermand and or do not put in the effert they know the person can put in, then it abviously annoys them.

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Selenai

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:11 pm


Sai_Man_Secks
With Sasuke and Naruto, the thing is, both of them are very emotional. It is just with Sasuke's mind set that he would want to be loved and truely loved. All the girls in the show go crazy over him just because he is attractive. For Sasuke, it looks like he would be more attracted to somebody who would curse his name just for being a jerk. It seems more reasonable because of how he is trated. Alot of the girls in the show trat him as if he is some sort of Sexual Deity, when he is just an emotionally confused child. In a sence, the girls are coddleing him when he really shouldn't. That time has already ended for him. It was ok when his family died when he was a little kid, but now he is becoming a young man and must learn that life sucks but he can make it better for himself.

Naruto learned that. He learned from an early age that coddleing will do little or no good in becoming better. That is why Naruto acts like an a** every time somebody trys to help him. It is understandable that Naruto would act like that simply because he is driven to have Sasuke accknowlegde him as an equal or supiriority. That is one of his goals that he was striving. I personally feel that if Naruto were to become Hokage, it wouldn't mean much if Sasuke really didn't see it as a great big deal.

If we remember in the Chunnin Exams when Sasuke lost to Lee and Naruto pointed out how Ssuke would have not even stood a chance. Sasuke obviously got mad, but Sasukera vented for Sasuke. Naruto explained his reasoning because of Lee's hand being rough as if he had been training until he plumited, alot more than what Sasuke trains.

Sasuke was too buisy seeing everybody eles improve that he didn't realise he was improving as well. Now he was improving at a slower rate, but improving nevertheless. He would have improved more if he trained harder. He just needs the determination both Lee and Naruto have. Sasuke had grown to think that because he has talent, he didn't need to train as hard as the others.

That mind set is not good for anybody. May it be a ninja, buisness person, or even a singer and artist. My choir teacher said that he would rather have a choir that was determend and couldn't sing a note, than to have a choir that had talent but would not work on it. It's the same with alot of people. When they see somebody with so much talent, but are just so undetermand and or do not put in the effert they know the person can put in, then it abviously annoys them.


I disagree a little with you. I don't even think that Sasuke needs to learn that coddling is bad for him, or that he can make his life better, because I'm rather certain that he already knows all of that. What it is is that every single time that Sasuke makes even the smallest breakthrough, Itachi comes back and ******** him up xD; Like seriously messes with his head. In my opinion, having to relive a trauma like that is grounds for feeling the way that Sasuke does.

I also think that Sasuke was advancing at least as quickly as Lee and Naruto. This is obvious by the fact that he got much further with Gaara than Lee did (and made it out a lot less injured), learned how to copy Lee's technique, and was taught a new technique by Kakashi.

I believe that the only reason that Sasuke doesn't see this is because when he's confronted by Itachi and told that everything he's doing is in vain, he just can't see the difference. Itachi always beats him.

Back to Naruto and Sasuke, I agree that Sasuke wants to be with someone who understands who he is, what he needs, and his drive for revenge against his brother. I think that when Sasuke is around Naruto is when he's the most vulnerable, and that's partially what pushes his over the edge and away from Konoha. It's also the vulnerability in Sasuke, and the pure want to prove himself in Naruto, that makes their relationship so fascinating. It's part of what makes me love them for sure.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:53 am


Selenai
Sai_Man_Secks
With Sasuke and Naruto, the thing is, both of them are very emotional. It is just with Sasuke's mind set that he would want to be loved and truely loved. All the girls in the show go crazy over him just because he is attractive. For Sasuke, it looks like he would be more attracted to somebody who would curse his name just for being a jerk. It seems more reasonable because of how he is trated. Alot of the girls in the show trat him as if he is some sort of Sexual Deity, when he is just an emotionally confused child. In a sence, the girls are coddleing him when he really shouldn't. That time has already ended for him. It was ok when his family died when he was a little kid, but now he is becoming a young man and must learn that life sucks but he can make it better for himself.

Naruto learned that. He learned from an early age that coddleing will do little or no good in becoming better. That is why Naruto acts like an a** every time somebody trys to help him. It is understandable that Naruto would act like that simply because he is driven to have Sasuke accknowlegde him as an equal or supiriority. That is one of his goals that he was striving. I personally feel that if Naruto were to become Hokage, it wouldn't mean much if Sasuke really didn't see it as a great big deal.

If we remember in the Chunnin Exams when Sasuke lost to Lee and Naruto pointed out how Ssuke would have not even stood a chance. Sasuke obviously got mad, but Sasukera vented for Sasuke. Naruto explained his reasoning because of Lee's hand being rough as if he had been training until he plumited, alot more than what Sasuke trains.

Sasuke was too buisy seeing everybody eles improve that he didn't realise he was improving as well. Now he was improving at a slower rate, but improving nevertheless. He would have improved more if he trained harder. He just needs the determination both Lee and Naruto have. Sasuke had grown to think that because he has talent, he didn't need to train as hard as the others.

That mind set is not good for anybody. May it be a ninja, buisness person, or even a singer and artist. My choir teacher said that he would rather have a choir that was determend and couldn't sing a note, than to have a choir that had talent but would not work on it. It's the same with alot of people. When they see somebody with so much talent, but are just so undetermand and or do not put in the effert they know the person can put in, then it abviously annoys them.


I disagree a little with you. I don't even think that Sasuke needs to learn that coddling is bad for him, or that he can make his life better, because I'm rather certain that he already knows all of that. What it is is that every single time that Sasuke makes even the smallest breakthrough, Itachi comes back and ******** him up xD; Like seriously messes with his head. In my opinion, having to relive a trauma like that is grounds for feeling the way that Sasuke does.

I also think that Sasuke was advancing at least as quickly as Lee and Naruto. This is obvious by the fact that he got much further with Gaara than Lee did (and made it out a lot less injured), learned how to copy Lee's technique, and was taught a new technique by Kakashi.

I believe that the only reason that Sasuke doesn't see this is because when he's confronted by Itachi and told that everything he's doing is in vain, he just can't see the difference. Itachi always beats him.

Back to Naruto and Sasuke, I agree that Sasuke wants to be with someone who understands who he is, what he needs, and his drive for revenge against his brother. I think that when Sasuke is around Naruto is when he's the most vulnerable, and that's partially what pushes his over the edge and away from Konoha. It's also the vulnerability in Sasuke, and the pure want to prove himself in Naruto, that makes their relationship so fascinating. It's part of what makes me love them for sure.


I like how you had the last part. But Sasuke does tend to get lazy in his training more often than Naruto. And yes, Itachi can be such a jerk when it comes to taring down Sasuke's emotional self esteem.

Yeah, Sasuke does have a right to be a little angst because of what happened. But if we had every single character act out bitter the way he does because of life, then every single one would be the worlds bigest emo kid ever.

I can understand that Sasuke wants to avenge his clans death and has been iven the tools to do so. But is it really worth it? In the begining, I could see where Sasuke could have been able to follow both the roads he wanted to and thought he could actually follow. But he took it too far when he left. There is a diffrence in revenge and avenge. Avenge tends to be more selfless while revenge is more of selfesh reasoning. Revenge will only lead to the path of distruction. He lost his path on the road to avengance and stumbled on a self distructing road of revenge. In the end, even the mightiest of mortals will fall. Revenge only brings pain and does nobody good. Avenge really doesn't. So many people get revenge and avenge confused. Even I do in my own life. And Sasuke is no acception.

Wow... I feel like saying that Sasuke should follow a bible quote "When your enemy is thirsty, give him water. When your enemy is hungry , give him bread." Over all it means, when somebody is being a jerk-facve, teat them with kindness. But I highly doubt many people would even do that.

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Selenai

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:38 am


Sai_Man_Secks


I like how you had the last part. But Sasuke does tend to get lazy in his training more often than Naruto. And yes, Itachi can be such a jerk when it comes to taring down Sasuke's emotional self esteem.

Yeah, Sasuke does have a right to be a little angst because of what happened. But if we had every single character act out bitter the way he does because of life, then every single one would be the worlds bigest emo kid ever.

I can understand that Sasuke wants to avenge his clans death and has been iven the tools to do so. But is it really worth it? In the begining, I could see where Sasuke could have been able to follow both the roads he wanted to and thought he could actually follow. But he took it too far when he left. There is a diffrence in revenge and avenge. Avenge tends to be more selfless while revenge is more of selfesh reasoning. Revenge will only lead to the path of distruction. He lost his path on the road to avengance and stumbled on a self distructing road of revenge. In the end, even the mightiest of mortals will fall. Revenge only brings pain and does nobody good. Avenge really doesn't. So many people get revenge and avenge confused. Even I do in my own life. And Sasuke is no acception.

Wow... I feel like saying that Sasuke should follow a bible quote "When your enemy is thirsty, give him water. When your enemy is hungry , give him bread." Over all it means, when somebody is being a jerk-facve, teat them with kindness. But I highly doubt many people would even do that.


xD;;; Actually.... firstly, Sasuke doesn't get lazy in his training at all. He's the only one out of team seven that we know of so far that trains on a regular basis.

Secondly, I... am really shocked xD; I had no idea that people... had such a narrow view of who Sasuke is or why he does the things he does. I don't think he's 'emo' at all. I mean, how can one possibly gauge what it would be like to have everything you care about stripped away from you when you're eight years old? And to have that be done by one of the most important people in your life? And... to have to WATCH it? Relive it over and over? xD;;;;; That's not emo. That's rational. I think that he actually handles himself quite well.

With what happened in the VotE battle, even I thought it was terrible, but after everything that happened to Sasuke in his life, one can't expect him to be perfect or absolutely psychologically mature. He's also still only 12 years old, which a lot of people forget all the time. He's going to make mistakes, and yeah, he's going to be rather single-minded in his quest to get to Itachi, but that's because everything he has ever had is constantly taken away from him by his brother, and every time he makes a little headway, Itachi simply messes him up even more. I can't say exactly what he must be feeling, obviously, since I am neither him or Kishimoto, but basically, if you look up in the dictionary under Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, there would probably be a picture of Sasuke.

There's a stigma attached to him that, personally speaking, bothers me a lot. At first I thought the whole 'emo kid' thing was cute and funny, but it actually bothers me that people are SERIOUS about it. Sasuke is just... he's gone through things that are unimaginable. Who does he have aside from the entire clan that was taken from him? And now to fear that his brother is going to take Naruto from him, too? I doubt that I'd be okay with simply sitting back and letting that happen.

So yeah, I think it just bothers me when people rag on Sasuke, because.... I just don't understand how anyone has the right to judge him or his behaviour, when what he's been through is something that's so extreme, so unbelieveably tragic, that I can't even begin to comprehend it.

xD; So I mean, unless someone who has had to live through watching a family member massacre everything they ever knew or cared about decides to say something, well, maybe at that point I'll decide that maybe Sasuke should rethink his motives.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:58 pm


I've had it happen to me. I have has something taken from me and have to deal with the scares. I do not act 'emo' about it. I know that life gave me a bad hand in the begining of the game of life, but I can always turn it around. I still wake up with my heart punding and tears trying to escape my eyes. But I do not let them come out because I know that what happened was nopt my fault. I never asked for that stuff to happen to me or any of my family.

My family and I trusted somebody and they betrayed us along with the army and justice system. The adults, except for my mother, thought that I was lieing and trying to get attention. And I never wanted attention through those means. I had to deal with seeing my mother, who is my world, cry and wanting to end her own life. My body grew so tiered from the stress of what was going on. My body even began to release the stress in unhealthy ways. It affected my minstral cycle and made me suffer from wsivear headaches and migrans. And all of this happened when I was only 13. The pains would get so bad that the only way for me to not feel it was through sleep, and then I would suffer terrible nightmares of the events that happened.

I still have my headaches today. I have been having one for about 2 weeks now. The migranes and headaches do not bother me much since I have been suffering from them for nearly five years now. And all of this because a person my family and I trusted with our very lives had sexually abused me. So I do know how it feels to lose something you can never get back. Sasuke with his clan, myself with my childhood. And I do have an "Itachi" in my life. They anger me because they want to get in my life when I despreatly want them out. And that lowers my self worth because I know that they got away with harming me. I get so angry seeing them that I just want toi scream and cry. I can understand Sasuke's pain to some extent because I still deal with it. But I do not want my "Itachi" to control my life through my emotions. I let him do that, and he wins in the end. Sasuke let's Itachi win by letting him control him with emotions and in the end Itachi wins. Itachi proves that he still has some sort of control over Sasuke. If I let my "Itachi" do that to me, I may end up as twisted as Sasuke has turned out to be. I simply will not let him have that sick control over me. It bothers me seeing my "Itachi" with my "Naruto, or mother since she is my everything. And it makes me feel like he is trying to take the rest of what little world I have. So, please do not feel like aI was personally slandering Sasuke. I just see Sasuke and it angers me that he could do something like that. I know that in some sence that could have been me. I could have been aloof to my peers and secretly try to plot a way to put my abuser up. And I have. But it was starting to consume me to a very healthy obsession and I stopped before it went to far.

So yes, Sasuke is still 12 years old. But 12 year old boys do not act the way he does, even if they delt with something like that. They normally put that behind them and try to not bring up the subject. Sasuke just full out anti-social and that attitude will only do him harm.



And if any of you all think I am just pulling legs about spilling something so seriouse in my life... You can get bent. I have delt with the tears and an unhappy ending of that chapter in my life. Because of what happened to me, I plan to actually become a psychiatrist or psychologist to help out those who have been through domestic abuse. I want my future paitants to feel comfertable and I will tell them that I know they think that I am just some loon who acts like I know what they went through but only read that in books. I will tell them that I know exactly what they are feeling because I went through it when I was ten and have delt with the long term effect of abuse. I am not letting my abuser win in the end. I am going to prove that I am better than what had happened to me. I will show them that I am no victem, but a surviver.

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Selenai

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:14 pm


Sai_Man_Secks
I've had it happen to me. I have has something taken from me and have to deal with the scares. I do not act 'emo' about it. I know that life gave me a bad hand in the begining of the game of life, but I can always turn it around. I still wake up with my heart punding and tears trying to escape my eyes. But I do not let them come out because I know that what happened was nopt my fault. I never asked for that stuff to happen to me or any of my family.

My family and I trusted somebody and they betrayed us along with the army and justice system. The adults, except for my mother, thought that I was lieing and trying to get attention. And I never wanted attention through those means. I had to deal with seeing my mother, who is my world, cry and wanting to end her own life. My body grew so tiered from the stress of what was going on. My body even began to release the stress in unhealthy ways. It affected my minstral cycle and made me suffer from wsivear headaches and migrans. And all of this happened when I was only 13. The pains would get so bad that the only way for me to not feel it was through sleep, and then I would suffer terrible nightmares of the events that happened.

I still have my headaches today. I have been having one for about 2 weeks now. The migranes and headaches do not bother me much since I have been suffering from them for nearly five years now. And all of this because a person my family and I trusted with our very lives had sexually abused me. So I do know how it feels to lose something you can never get back. Sasuke with his clan, myself with my childhood. And I do have an "Itachi" in my life. They anger me because they want to get in my life when I despreatly want them out. And that lowers my self worth because I know that they got away with harming me. I get so angry seeing them that I just want toi scream and cry. I can understand Sasuke's pain to some extent because I still deal with it. But I do not want my "Itachi" to control my life through my emotions. I let him do that, and he wins in the end. Sasuke let's Itachi win by letting him control him with emotions and in the end Itachi wins. Itachi proves that he still has some sort of control over Sasuke. If I let my "Itachi" do that to me, I may end up as twisted as Sasuke has turned out to be. I simply will not let him have that sick control over me. It bothers me seeing my "Itachi" with my "Naruto, or mother since she is my everything. And it makes me feel like he is trying to take the rest of what little world I have. So, please do not feel like aI was personally slandering Sasuke. I just see Sasuke and it angers me that he could do something like that. I know that in some sence that could have been me. I could have been aloof to my peers and secretly try to plot a way to put my abuser up. And I have. But it was starting to consume me to a very healthy obsession and I stopped before it went to far.

So yes, Sasuke is still 12 years old. But 12 year old boys do not act the way he does, even if they delt with something like that. They normally put that behind them and try to not bring up the subject. Sasuke just full out anti-social and that attitude will only do him harm.



And if any of you all think I am just pulling legs about spilling something so seriouse in my life... You can get bent. I have delt with the tears and an unhappy ending of that chapter in my life. Because of what happened to me, I plan to actually become a psychiatrist or psychologist to help out those who have been through domestic abuse. I want my future paitants to feel comfertable and I will tell them that I know they think that I am just some loon who acts like I know what they went through but only read that in books. I will tell them that I know exactly what they are feeling because I went through it when I was ten and have delt with the long term effect of abuse. I am not letting my abuser win in the end. I am going to prove that I am better than what had happened to me. I will show them that I am no victem, but a surviver.


xD; Yeah, well, I'm not saying that what happened to you wasn't serious or anything, but you never had to watch a family member actually KILL the rest of your family except for you. ALL OF THEM except for you. Bad stuff happens to everyone. I've had a death in my immediate family, and stuff like that has happened in my home as well, but I'm still fully capable of telling the difference between that and the death of EVERY SINGLE PERSON I have in my life. Sasuke lost EVERYTHING. So it's a lot more than just waking up crying. He's trying to do a lot more than that, and he's handling a lot better than most people would.

Even that aside xD; There's a HUGE difference between 8 and 13. An eight year old is completely incapable of understanding the things that go in in he world around them. It's just the way children are. So to try to compare the problems you say you've had with something as extreme as Sasuke's.... is incredibly strange. I mean... you've still got tons of things for yourself. And thinking that messing up your menstrual cycle and having nightmares is anything compared to... xD; having nothing left except for the person who destroyed everything else..... I don't even know what to say. It still seems rather ridiculous to me.
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