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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:39 pm
I thought I'd quote lymelady's signature for the title. This was brought up in another topic, so I thought I'd make a new thread. sachiko_sohma To be honest i'm for the death penalty for convicted murders, I think people that kill for no reason and keep harming others should be executed. I'm pro-life for the innocent, not murders that keep killing people, it depends on the person and situation.(i'm against the war though, that is just pointless killing and usually only hurts people not help). As for the assisted suicide-That is difficult. On one hand, the doctor took and oath to help save lifes and do no harm but on another hand, they can't save everybody and some patients are dying a slow and painful death (there isn't anything more the doctor can do to help) and want it to end sooner and give consent to it. So, what are your thoughts on the Death Penalty and Euthanasia?
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:06 pm
I hope that doesn't make me seem like a bad person.
I know that pro-life doesn't end at birth but I think in order to stop crimals and over flooding jails, you have to rid of the worst of the worst in order to protect others.
Now if some just make a mistake (they didn't mean or plan to kill them it just happened) and they don't see like the type of people that just go around kill, then jail time is just fine.
But some people kill for fun or they just keep doing so and don't care if people get hurt or not, that is that type of people that should be executed.
As for euthanasia, is a diffifult case to talk about. I'm not sure if they should make it legal or not but if they did, the pateint should all ways consent to it first, it should never be forced on them. I hate that they have to die but they are going to die anyways and often are suffering greatly and it's a slow and pain thing to deal with, and often they ask for it to just end with is very sad thing to hear.
It's similer to animals. If our pets are sick and suffering, we put them to sleep to they don't have to suffer no more. The only difference is people can give consent and should do so if that is their wish.
That doesn't mean I don't care for people or only care about the life of the unborn. I don't want people to get the wrong idea.
I'm against abortion in most cases cause the baby and mother are often heathly and the baby can't give it's consent and it didn't do anything wrong so I don't see why it should be punished.
In the end, it really depends on the situation. Each one is different.
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:31 pm
sachiko_sohma I hope that doesn't make me seem like a bad person. I hope so also, as that was in no way my intention! I thought that the topic was really interesting, and so deserved its own thread. And the quote I used in the Title was relevant, I thought, so I used that. I really hope it doesn't come off as attacking you. I didn't even think of that! [edit] Do you want to me move your quote from the first post to another post? Or remove it from the thread?
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:39 pm
sachiko_sohma I think in order to stop crimals and over flooding jails, you have to rid of the worst of the worst in order to protect others. Now if some just make a mistake (they didn't mean or plan to kill them it just happened) and they don't see like the type of people that just go around kill, then jail time is just fine. But some people kill for fun or they just keep doing so and don't care if people get hurt or not, that is that type of people that should be executed. Personally, I think that no one should be put to death by the State. I would worry that someone innocent might be killed (it's happened before) and there is no way to retract that. Also, I feel that all forms of the Death Penalty (since the guillotine, at least) are cruel and unusual punishment due to the amount of suffering by the prisoner. However, I do think that if a prisoner asks to be put to death instead of given life in prison, they should be granted such. Oh - I think that there would be more room in prison if we legalized victim-less crimes (drug offenses and prostitution)! Over half the people in prison are there for drug related crime. I suppose that is something for another thread, though (it's on page two, actually). sachiko_sohma As for euthanasia, is a diffifult case to talk about. I'm not sure if they should make it legal or not but if they did, the pateint should all ways consent to it first, it should never be forced on them. I hate that they have to die but they are going to die anyways and often are suffering greatly and it's a slow and pain thing to deal with, and often they ask for it to just end with is very sad thing to hear. It's similer to animals. If our pets are sick and suffering, we put them to sleep to they don't have to suffer no more. The only difference is people can give consent and should do so if that is their wish. I agree that Euthanasia should only be allowed for consenting patients. I think it should be legal, though. I feel that, since everyone owns their body, they also own their life and should be allowed to end it as they choose and die with dignity.
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:33 pm
I support both euthanasia and the death penalty.
Euthanasia for consenting patients, because they shouldn't be forced to suffer. Death penalty for violent criminals, because they've proven that they are a threat to society, including others in prison, and I've seen too many cases of rapists or murderers getting out of prison because the judicial system is screwy to believe that many will actually serve out their life sentences.
I agree, WatersMoon. Maybe there should be another thread about legalizing drugs or prostitution?
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:04 pm
I'm against the death penalty, abortion and somewhat against Euthanasia, depending on the circumstance.
The death penalty one I just find it... well kind of stupid. You're giving the government the go ahead to kill its citizens in order to make a point that killing people is wrong. The legal system shouldn't be about revenge, when you deal in revenge the entire world goes to Hell.
I'd go into more detail, but it's almost my bedtime.
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:54 pm
WatersMoon110 sachiko_sohma I hope that doesn't make me seem like a bad person. I hope so also, as that was in no way my intention! I thought that the topic was really interesting, and so deserved its own thread. And the quote I used in the Title was relevant, I thought, so I used that. I really hope it doesn't come off as attacking you. I didn't even think of that! [edit] Do you want to me move your quote from the first post to another post? Or remove it from the thread? It's o.k., i'll only ask to remove it if it starts to cause problems but for now it's fine I guess. Oh and the reason why most drugs are illegal cause it can impair their judgement and can hurt people but the same could be said for drinking. I guess if they don't drive or hurt anyone then maybe they shouldn't be in jail. There are people that deserve to be in jail more then some guy at home smoking weed.
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:17 pm
I'm for the death penalty, but not as it is now.
I believe it's a matter of self preservation if someone is really, really dangerous...but the criteria in my eyes is so strict that it would hardly ever be used (if ever). Basically, if someone kills, gets imprisoned, is released, kills again, shows no progress at being rehabilitated, etc. and is a very real threat to others...
If it was about revenge, I wouldn't support it a bit. But there's more to it than that.
Euthanasia worries me a bit. I'm afraid of things like people being pressured into it by family members or doctors, or people just giving up on others and saying, "Euthanasia is best for you," because it's easier. I wasn't worried about it until I heard about it happening in countries where this is legal. Pressure from insurance companies scares me too, but that's because I'm paranoid, insurance companies seem evil to me. It's one of those things where I think in reality, there's more room for bad than for good, but that opinion might change.
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:11 am
I'm for the death penalty being abolished in favor of criminal rehabilitation. A death sentence won't bring back any victim, and I think criminals should be helped to realize the wrong of their ways. Instead of creating more victims for the executioner... This might help, here's a map that shows the status of the death penalty worldwide: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Death_Penalty_World_Map.png
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:35 pm
lymelady I believe it's a matter of self preservation if someone is really, really dangerous...but the criteria in my eyes is so strict that it would hardly ever be used (if ever). Basically, if someone kills, gets imprisoned, is released, kills again, shows no progress at being rehabilitated, etc. and is a very real threat to others... But why take the risk of them killing again in the first place?
I'd rather have them be on death row for a certain amount of time, and if - in that certain amount of time - they react well to rehabilitation and have very good behavior, put them among the general prison population and change their sentence from death to life in prison.
But I don't think any violent criminals who qualified for the death penalty should ever be let out, even if they have good behavior and appear to be rehabilitated. There is a huge difference between structured prison life and life out in The World.
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:45 pm
Because there's no way to know if someone will be that dangerous. Sure, there are indications...but they could be wrong, and then people will die for no reason. Of course, if there are people who get out and kill, people die again for no reason...so it's a matter of weighing things out.
I'm all for rehabilitation first, but some people are beyond help. Just as I would never stop a woman from having an abortion to save her own life, I wouldn't stop the state from killing people to save the lives of others, but the same as the abortion case, there needs to be reasonable cause to believe someone will kill other people. Any other method that can be used to stop it must be used first, but ultimately, just as I believe the right to bodily integrity is not an unlimited right (double negative ftl!), I believe the same of the right to live.
I believe too many innocent people are killed under the current system. I believe too many people who can be rehabilitated are just left to die in the name of justice being served. I agree with you to a certain extent; prison life is very different than being out in the world. I want to feel safe. But on the other hand, people change. Some don't, but some do.
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:14 pm
I chose the second option. I don't really know why.
Euthanasia is a huge blanket term for a lot of different things. I guess I am against some and "Meh" about others.
I've never really sat down and thought about it.
I am quite fearful of the mental battle that will ensure.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:05 am
lymelady I'm for the death penalty, but not as it is now. I believe it's a matter of self preservation if someone is really, really dangerous...but the criteria in my eyes is so strict that it would hardly ever be used (if ever). Basically, if someone kills, gets imprisoned, is released, kills again, shows no progress at being rehabilitated, etc. and is a very real threat to others... If it was about revenge, I wouldn't support it a bit. But there's more to it than that. Euthanasia worries me a bit. I'm afraid of things like people being pressured into it by family members or doctors, or people just giving up on others and saying, "Euthanasia is best for you," because it's easier. I wasn't worried about it until I heard about it happening in countries where this is legal. Pressure from insurance companies scares me too, but that's because I'm paranoid, insurance companies seem evil to me. It's one of those things where I think in reality, there's more room for bad than for good, but that opinion might change. See this post. But anyway, I would have to agree. I disagree with all of them, with exception of the most extreme cases. (Life threatening pregnancy, repeated murders for no reason, signed consent to be taken off life support)
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:01 am
divineseraph But anyway, I would have to agree. I disagree with all of them, with exception of the most extreme cases. (Life threatening pregnancy, repeated murders for no reason, signed consent to be taken off life support) Oh, I always think of "euthanasia" as being "signed consent to be taken off life support". *blush* I guess I sort of forget that it can also apply to things like someone being killed for being too old or too sick, even when they don't want to be. Which, for the record *wink* I am totally against for people, as they should have to give consent if they want to end their lives. For very young children, I'm unsure. I guess their parents should be allowed to make the choice for them, but only if a doctor agrees that the child won't recover.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:13 pm
WatersMoon110 divineseraph But anyway, I would have to agree. I disagree with all of them, with exception of the most extreme cases. (Life threatening pregnancy, repeated murders for no reason, signed consent to be taken off life support) Oh, I always think of "euthanasia" as being "signed consent to be taken off life support". *blush* I guess I sort of forget that it can also apply to things like someone being killed for being too old or too sick, even when they don't want to be. Which, for the record *wink* I am totally against for people, as they should have to give consent if they want to end their lives. For very young children, I'm unsure. I guess their parents should be allowed to make the choice for them, but only if a doctor agrees that the child won't recover. I guess it would similer to being taken off life support. In cases the pateint can't consent and won't be able to, I guess the decision is up to the family.
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