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 Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:49 pm
Just wanting to know how others words or advice here in the forum has affected what you believe. Let's hear it!
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:44 pm
they... totally... help.... ninja
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:23 pm
Well... it has affected what I believe in the way of how... um... how shall I word this... unreasonable people can be... homosexuals werent made by God... sure. I was under the impression that all humans were made by God, not just the perfect, a.k.a. non-existant ones. Anyway....
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:02 pm
kitoko minh Well... it has affected what I believe in the way of how... um... how shall I word this... unreasonable people can be... homosexuals werent made by God... sure. I was under the impression that all humans were made by God, not just the perfect, a.k.a. non-existant ones. Anyway.... Homosexuality isn't "people" its something they do. It isn't who they are. So how can God create something that isn't them? Leviticus 18:22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin."
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:04 pm
No one has given me ANY advice at all.
In fact, I doubt I would ask advice seeing as how the only thing it looks like people can do here is disrespect God...
So yeah... There are a couple of ok people here..
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:11 pm
Dcaff Just wanting to know how others words or advice here in the forum has affected what you believe. Let's hear it! i personally find it frustrating at times when someone ask for Biblical help and those who are not Bible-believing Christians come along and try to push their views in the subject....i'm sure it can go the other way as well sometime. however seeing as this is primarily a Christian guild, in part it should be kept that way. i'm not saying that those who believe different can't join us and learn and even answer questions we might have, but when a person is asking for help about their faith and how they are to obey God and so on, then unbelievers really shouldn't be the ones giving us the advice. but just things like that...i just get frustrated sometimes b/c of it. as to how it's affected me on a spiritual bases...well...i've come to see that i can get aggravated faster then i though..so i'm having to work on that. i've come to be able to see other views as to how ppl believe they are to live for God...even though sometimes i disagree with them. sometimes i wonder though how much things said in here are really taken to heart
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:41 am
Y i J u kitoko minh Well... it has affected what I believe in the way of how... um... how shall I word this... unreasonable people can be... homosexuals werent made by God... sure. I was under the impression that all humans were made by God, not just the perfect, a.k.a. non-existant ones. Anyway.... Homosexuality isn't "people" its something they do. It isn't who they are. So how can God create something that isn't them? Leviticus 18:22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin." Wrong. The current definition of homosexuality, according to the APA is: Quote: What Is Sexual Orientation? Sexual Orientation is an enduring emotional, romantic, sexual or affectional attraction to another person. It is easily distinguished from other components of sexuality including biological sex, gender identity (the psychological sense of being male or female) and the social gender role (adherence to cultural norms for feminine and masculine behavior). Sexual orientation exists along a continuum that ranges from exclusive homosexuality to exclusive heterosexuality and includes various forms of bisexuality. Bisexual persons can experience sexual, emotional and affectional attraction to both their own sex and the opposite sex. Persons with a homosexual orientation are sometimes referred to as gay (both men and women) or as lesbian (women only). Sexual orientation is different from sexual behavior because it refers to feelings and self-concept. Persons may or may not express their sexual orientation in their behaviors. It is illogical to use an incorrect definition to undermine a debate. But that's irrelevant. Kitoko, how would you say I do, on the whole? (My other accounts are Kuroi Kokoro no Mendori, Shiroi Kokoro no Mendori, lykongitsachicken, and Everybodys Happy Now.)
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:08 am
stopthebanningplease Y i J u kitoko minh Well... it has affected what I believe in the way of how... um... how shall I word this... unreasonable people can be... homosexuals werent made by God... sure. I was under the impression that all humans were made by God, not just the perfect, a.k.a. non-existant ones. Anyway.... Homosexuality isn't "people" its something they do. It isn't who they are. So how can God create something that isn't them? Leviticus 18:22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin." Wrong. The current definition of homosexuality, according to the APA is: Quote: What Is Sexual Orientation? Sexual Orientation is an enduring emotional, romantic, sexual or affectional attraction to another person. It is easily distinguished from other components of sexuality including biological sex, gender identity (the psychological sense of being male or female) and the social gender role (adherence to cultural norms for feminine and masculine behavior). Sexual orientation exists along a continuum that ranges from exclusive homosexuality to exclusive heterosexuality and includes various forms of bisexuality. Bisexual persons can experience sexual, emotional and affectional attraction to both their own sex and the opposite sex. Persons with a homosexual orientation are sometimes referred to as gay (both men and women) or as lesbian (women only). Sexual orientation is different from sexual behavior because it refers to feelings and self-concept. Persons may or may not express their sexual orientation in their behaviors. It is illogical to use an incorrect definition to undermine a debate. But that's irrelevant. Kitoko, how would you say I do, on the whole? (My other accounts are Kuroi Kokoro no Mendori, Shiroi Kokoro no Mendori, lykongitsachicken, and Everybodys Happy Now.) this isn't even what this topic is supposed to be about...so why bring it up in the first place?
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:13 am
A few words can sum this up... "In one ear and out the other!" Lord... Some people ask for help, and need help and than they don't listen...
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:21 am
dirtdevilgrunt13 A few words can sum this up... "In one ear and out the other!" Lord... Some people ask for help, and need help and than they don't listen... I agree. And I also agree with trinity. f someone's asking for CHristian advice, let them have it. They're looking for advice or support, not a debate. and banning, that has nothing to do with this topic.
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:26 am
-points up-
That's what I always see here, and its frusterating.
Its like a constant battle here to speak God's word, the sad part is that its a CHRISTIAN guild.
The non-believers shouldn't be giving advice to the believers because we are living for a different purpose than them.
So really, getting advice here is the worst possible thing.
If you want advice, please go to your pastor, youth pastor, heck even your worship leader.
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:17 am
Y i J u -points up- That's what I always see here, and its frusterating. Its like a constant battle here to speak God's word, the sad part is that its a CHRISTIAN guild. The non-believers shouldn't be giving advice to the believers because we are living for a different purpose than them. So really, getting advice here is the worst possible thing. If you want advice, please go to your pastor, youth pastor, heck even your worship leader. I'm not really in personal anguish over anything in specific. I think I was just seeing a lot of what you guys are saying you've seen, feeling some of the same frustrations as you and wondering if this place is benefiting anyone in terms of their belief or disbelief in God. I would liken this Guild more similar to an environment like a class on theology or religeon than to a church environment. Generally people are going to church because they either already believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior or they want to know more about him. Here, that is often not the case. While I get bummed out too about some of the advice given in this forum, as I understand it, this is a Christian guild where non believers are welcomed and encouraged to listen in, and along with that it seems only fair that they may say whatever they please as long as it doesn't violate any of the rules here. I'm sure there are other guilds where advice would be more Christian. I would like to point out, however that this particular thread is not a place for debate on homsexuality and I'd appreciate it if we could all stay on subject. If you guys want to debate that, go start a new thread or pm eachother please! Thanks!
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:20 pm
trinity343 stopthebanningplease Y i J u kitoko minh Well... it has affected what I believe in the way of how... um... how shall I word this... unreasonable people can be... homosexuals werent made by God... sure. I was under the impression that all humans were made by God, not just the perfect, a.k.a. non-existant ones. Anyway.... Homosexuality isn't "people" its something they do. It isn't who they are. So how can God create something that isn't them? Leviticus 18:22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin." Wrong. The current definition of homosexuality, according to the APA is: Quote: What Is Sexual Orientation? Sexual Orientation is an enduring emotional, romantic, sexual or affectional attraction to another person. It is easily distinguished from other components of sexuality including biological sex, gender identity (the psychological sense of being male or female) and the social gender role (adherence to cultural norms for feminine and masculine behavior). Sexual orientation exists along a continuum that ranges from exclusive homosexuality to exclusive heterosexuality and includes various forms of bisexuality. Bisexual persons can experience sexual, emotional and affectional attraction to both their own sex and the opposite sex. Persons with a homosexual orientation are sometimes referred to as gay (both men and women) or as lesbian (women only). Sexual orientation is different from sexual behavior because it refers to feelings and self-concept. Persons may or may not express their sexual orientation in their behaviors. It is illogical to use an incorrect definition to undermine a debate. But that's irrelevant. Kitoko, how would you say I do, on the whole? (My other accounts are Kuroi Kokoro no Mendori, Shiroi Kokoro no Mendori, lykongitsachicken, and Everybodys Happy Now.) this isn't even what this topic is supposed to be about...so why bring it up in the first place? I said as much, and diverted the topic back to it's original state; though I'm also curious how my words and advice affect what others believe. Quote: -points up- That's what I always see here, and its frusterating. Its like a constant battle here to speak God's word, the sad part is that its a CHRISTIAN guild. The non-believers shouldn't be giving advice to the believers because we are living for a different purpose than them. So really, getting advice here is the worst possible thing. If you want advice, please go to your pastor, youth pastor, heck even your worship leader. As Dcaff said, this place is more about discussing and teaching theology and doctrines, rather than getting affirmation in beliefs. As such, it's best not to ask for advice in here unless it's on a topic everyone agrees upon; otherwise, debating begins instead of advice. Personally, I much prefer the debating for receiving information; it helps me figure out more fully what position is correct. As for non-believers giving advice to believers, that's completely acceptable. The words of the Bible do not change depending on who quotes them.
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:26 pm
stopthebanningplease As Dcaff said, this place is more about discussing and teaching theology and doctrines, rather than getting affirmation in beliefs. As such, it's best not to ask for advice in here unless it's on a topic everyone agrees upon; otherwise, debating begins instead of advice. Personally, I much prefer the debating for receiving information; it helps me figure out more fully what position is correct. As for non-believers giving advice to believers, that's completely acceptable. The words of the Bible do not change depending on who quotes them. well, it just a bit bothersome when debates start up in the advice subforum - where people go SPECIFICALLY to get advice and to AVOID debate. I actually don't really care who gives advice, as long as it's good advice and they take the other person's beliefs into account. The problem is that that's not what's happening . . .
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:48 am
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