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 Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 4:04 pm
I was feeling a strange burst of nostalgia today, and I got the urge to play this game for the Super Nintendo that I loved in my wee childhood days. (Kirby, if you must know. sweatdrop ) So I went scavenging the internets seeing if I could get it somehow. But to my dismay, all the games and crap for nintendo that used to be gettable on the internets were illegalized and the sites got rid of them.
BUT: I found out that this illegalization only took place in the US. So, I was actually able to find by beloved silly game in an obscure Spanish website. So, it ended up being quite the educational excperience for me, I never realized that Spanish was so easy. With just a feeble online dictionary, I could understand everything. I now know why they say Spanish is so easy, like half of the language is ********' cognates!
And this brings me that much closer to being able to read Spanish texts about my beloved Aymara and Nahuatl! I take this as a sight that the gods themseves want me to learn them.
Ooh, and I even got a Spanish version of the old Legend of Zelda! I'm such as sucker for those games. Perhaps once I beat it in Spanish, I'll be able to read the El Compiendo de Aymara, or whatever its called.
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:29 pm
PSST.
Look at the names in the most recent page of the introductions thread.
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Spanish has even more English cognates than French (I know, that's odd, but French has borrowed many, many words from other languages). I don't know if there -are- any languages with more cognates, except for Scots of course. ;Þ
Compendio is much heavier reading than games, though, believe me. However, there aren't only a bazillion obvious cognates, there are many more cognates that have gone through sufficient sound changes that although they're not immediately recognisable, you catch on once you figure out the patterns.
On a partially unrelated note, I was watching a program on TPT earlier about the Spanish conquest of South America, and this guy playing the Inca emperor was speaking Quechua. This alone was enough to cause major joy on Rebecca's part, but since Aymara and Quechua share about 30% of their vocabulary, I recognised a lot of words; marka, inti and stuff like that. It was made of condensed AWESOME.
Of course, the rest of the program was dreadfully depressing.
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:06 pm
GASP
TEH GODS BRING TOGEZER US HOO LIEK T3H AYMARA.
IT ARE A SIGN FRUM TEH HEAVENZ
CAN IT BE AYMARA TIEM NAO PLZ?
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Ehem... *cough*
Well, of course the Compiendo ought to be a bit mor dense than "Go to the castle and fight the monster!" type readings, but every little bit helps.
I very much like Quechua as well. Or, at least just the very Aymara- influenced dialect. Was it the Cuzco dialect? I don't remember. Either way, it seems that the other Quechua dialects went in a slightly more boring direction.
Though, I'm having trouble deciding weather Aymara or Nahuatl has more win. I think Aymara is winning, but Nahuatl is a close second.
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:11 pm
Also: ALERT
I had to gut my computer today, and I was going through an re-getting my links to stuff, and, HOW DO I FOUND WORKING LINK TO T3H COMPIENDO?
This ain't makin' me happy. gonk
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:19 pm
xd
Apparently, she was adopted from Bolivia when she was six months old, so she doesn't speak it. But it still rocks.
It would make sense for it to be the Cuzco dialect, considering locations. I don't know, though. I'm assuming you're talking about the dialect that randomly acquired ejectives? xd
ALL Amerind languages are awesome, but Aymara and Nahuatl are definitely in the lead (probably along with Mapudugun, or, if you're adventurous, Pirahá). I mean, you've got Aymara, which has been accused of being a constructed language because it's too perfect, and then you've got Nahuatl, which is the language of the Aztecs. You've got Aymara, which has a backwards sense of time and is possible to use as a programming language and an intermediary language in machine translation, and then you've got Nahuatl, which has [tK]. And it's the language of the ******** Aztecs.
So I was watching another program on TPT, and it was about Bolivia. This made Rebecca's ears perk up. It is a terrible understatement to say that I was delighted when I saw the Qullasuyu Wiphala.
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:32 pm
The Ilcanet site, apparently, just underwent reconstruction, which meant that I was having a hard time finding it, but here it is: http://ilcanet.com/publicaciones/pdf_compendio.htmlIt would appear that this book is a lesson book rather than a grammar, which may be easier to handle and deal more with the language as is used. It says its word list is trilingual, with Aymara, Spanish and English. And it appears to be only $5, plus shipping and handling. I must inform my parents.
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:25 pm
Ah, relief. Glad to have it back. 3nodding That book, is that really what you say it is? If so, I conveniently today came into some expendable income. (another sign that the gods want me to learn Aymara this is methinks, btw) Anyway, I'm gettin' that thar book. How do you get it, by the way? I see no obvious way to go about ordering it, but then again, I'm not good at Spanish. Quote: I'm assuming you're talking about the dialect that randomly acquired ejectives? That would be the one. I beleive that the Cuzco dialect is the only dialect of Quechua to have a 3-way contrast between unaspirated, aspirated and ejective plosives. And a big chunk of Aymara loandwords as well, of course. I'ma look up Mapudugun, though Piraha has some win as well. Its pure weirdness makes it interesting, but it pales in comparison to the other big 2. I think the pure perfection of Aymara beats Nahuatl's historical awesomeness, though I also do love [tK]. I don't know! They're both great. They've both been great conlanging inspiration also. But Aymara, a constructed language? That might be a leap. I'm not sure if Aymara was a constructed language if that would make it more or less awesome. EI, noticed have you that whenever we appear in the same thread, magically the subject of amerind languages appears? surprised
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:50 pm
The book's description Juan de Dios Yapita, incansable profesor de aymara, ha preparado este manual del aymara paceño para estudiante, como una introducción al aymara actual escrito y hablado. La primera parte desarrolla diálogos básicos, fáciles de memorizar. En la segunda parte se presentan los sufijos nominales más comunes y, en la tercera, los verbos en infinitivos y paradigmas de conjugación. Como apéndice, el libro ofrece al estudiante un vocabulario trilingüe: en aymara, inglés y castellano. Rebecca's sloppy-ish translation Juan de Dios Yapita, untiring professor of Aymara, has prepared this Aymara manual especially for the student as an introduction to real Aymara, spoken and written. The first part develops basic, easy-to-remember dialogs. In the second part, the most common nominal suffixes are presented, and in the third, the verbs in infinitive form and in conjugation paradimes. In the appendix, this book offers the student a trilingual vocabulary in Aymara, English and Spanish. Yep, that's certainly what it is. I'm trying to figure out how to order it myself. At the bottom it says a bunch of ways of contacting, and I think you may have to write an email in Spanish. Of course, you could almost certainly contact a native within the guild about getting such a thing written. ... Yes, I've noticed that. I find it hilarious. Of course, there aren't many better things to talk about, are there? xp
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:24 pm
We've got a few Spanish knowers around here, surely. Well, if you figure it out, let me know.
I wonder, will it need to be sent all the way from Bolivia? That might take awhile, not to mention have a huge shipping cost.
I'm really suprised at how much Spanish I can understand, now that I'm actually trying. Its nice that the compiendo seems pretty much all in the present tense. Makes things easy for me.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:45 am
As far as the Aymara as a constructed language thing goes, I'm fairly sure it's nonsense. Firstly, the conlangers would have to have been Inka, and the Inkas didn't have a writing system. This certainly would have hampered things; when constructing a language, you've got to record things. Secondly, in the Inka empire, people were forced to learn to speak Quechua fluently. Since the Aymara were under the Inkas' rule, it would be very strange to invent a language for them to speak rather than having them speak Quechua. Thirdly, it's extremely odd that they would invent a language for a group of countrypeople in the Bolivian highlands. You'd think they'd pick people who were more important. Lastly, it would have been constructed in an age without linguistics, and all sorts of hidden Quechua-isms would have gotten in; Aymara's structure, however, only bears areal similarities to Quechua. Also, I would guess that the conlangers would have either made the vocabulary very similar to Quechua's or very different, but it's rather in the middle ground. --- It would seem that you can order the book from this webpage. This seems to make things easier. And look when it was added to the catalogue! Less than a week ago. It does seem that the gods want us to learn it. xd
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:59 pm
Well, I never actually suspected that it is actually a conlang, just what if. Um, I think I might have ordered the book? I was messing with the ordering options, and apprently I accidentally sent an order somehow. Erm... And yeah, I'm telling ya, The Gods Themselves Approve! At this rate, sometime soon you might just happen to stuble upon a bunch of Aymarans, of course wearing those hats that they always seem to be wearing for some reason.  Ohmigosh, an Aymaran! But the hat, is why? I kinda want one...
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:22 am
xd Bowler hats for the win! You could get one like this: Wouldn't that be fun? ... Honestly, I swear you can tell the different Andean tribes apart by the hats they wear. Some of them are really outrageous. I mean... Hi, I'm Quechua and I have a funny hat!But I've got a pretty good guess what tribe these people are.
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:23 am
Dang, whats with the moldy mushroom hat? Quote: Honestly, I swear you can tell the different Andean tribes apart by the hats they wear. Quoted for hilarity.
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:22 am
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:01 pm
One of those looked like a big 'ol bolt in the guys head. Though the turtle with hande is by far the best.
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