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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:46 am
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:05 pm
Aw, you got me all excited to see your veil, and now it's not here. Don't tease like that. wink
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:05 pm
Divash Aw, you got me all excited to see your veil, and now it's not here. Don't tease like that. wink *hangs head in shame*
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:48 am
So, where's the veil? Where's the picture of the veil? Since, you know, this is the photos page...
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:07 pm
www.prayercoverings.com/pages/fabrics.php -my veil,which is white.
i have other images but unfortunately i cannot currently acess photobucket.*sigh*
my aplogies.i photos taken and transfered to my usb pen but,my pen went walkies...
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:38 am
 excuse the size..these 3 women are wearing the exactly same veil as i me. they are also wearing cape dresses,which i do not have-yet.
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:25 pm
Looks like something you'll really enjoy wearing, Poppy. smile Congratulations on getting it! In other news, Shukr, my favorite website for buying skirts and scarves, has some new arrivals, including a thicker-fabric line for winter wear. Are these plain enough for you and/or your community, Poppy, or are they still too bright? I'm thinking that the black and navy-blue skirts might serve you well.
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:21 pm
I received my veil fom beachy amish people around january or feburary this year.I love my veil. heart its so comfy.This last year I had a lovely fringe which needed a trim,I was given a dodgy hairdresser who massacred it and my fringe has only grown out now.This leaves me with a deliema-do I keep on growning my hair out like the beachy women (bearing in mind I am not beachy-yet) or do I be vain and get new fringe and look nicer?I admit I have many skirts like the ones on Shukr but I admit I heart colours and patterns,particuarally the japanese fashion scene, and traditional folkwear.Its a struggle,as an art student to remain true to modesty and plainness at times.I do find darker colours are better for painting as they hide the paint stains (I am a very messy painter and printmaker). whee
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:20 am
I am often grateful that I'm not bound to plainness, or to wearing one specific type of clothing. At the same time, I own very few articles of clothing -- almost all of them hats, scarves, or other accessories rather than actual clothing pieces -- that are not solid in color, and most of those are either dark, or white. Perhaps I'd do better at plainness than I think I would, if it were required of me. wink
Honestly, I would suggest getting your fringe cut in an attractive way, and then letting it grow out. Why? Well, if you let your fringe grow out for the rest of your life, you don't want to live for the rest of your life thinking of your face as being entirely un-flattered by your otherwise beautiful hair. Hair is a big part of the way we see ourselves. I know, because I cover every single strand of my hair for religious reasons -- yet I still feel it's important for me to cover my grey hairs with dye, to have it cut attractively and stylishly, and sometimes to have it straightened so it's not frizzy. Why? No one sees it but myself and my beloved, ever. If (God forbid!) my beloved should divorce me or die, I would be alone, and yet I would still care enough to make sure my hair was attractive. Not to attract a mate; they'd never see it. But simply because it's a part of me, and as such, I would feel slovenly, unkempt, and lazy if I didn't take good care of it. Hair, too, is a part of the God-created body that I have. I exercise and eat right to take care of my body, I brush and floss my teeth, I trim and file my nails to be tidy, all as a part of honoring that which God created for my use. Why wouldn't I also take care that my hair looks just as good, feels just as healthy, and is honored just as I honor my body through taking healthful action, beautifying action, and modesty-directed action?
By the same token, since your religious text says that your hair is a symbol of something you hold precious, why would you not want to polish that crown and make sure that others could see the dignity behind your covering?
I'd like to learn more about the rationale behind the philosophy (or requirement?) of plainness, where it comes from, and so on. There may be more leeway within it than you know. I say this because learning religious beliefs and laws is a lot like learning the laws of language. You learn to speak as a young child, but then when you're older, you begin to learn the letters' shapes and sounds, then how to put them together into words, then sentences, then stories, then abstract ideas. You learn spelling, grammar, sentence structure, prose, poetry. At some point, your teachers tell you, "You know all the rules now that you'll ever really need." But not every writer is a technical writer or a historical writer. Some writers are meant to write things that touch and inspire our emotions. Sometimes in doing this, we have to be willing to bend or break a linguistic rule in order to make our point come across more vividly, to leap from the page, bypass the mind, and zing straight for the heart. In writing or speaking, sometimes we make a conscious choice to abandon the hard-and-fast rules of language, and just toss out the words that best suit a situation. We spend half our lives learning the rules -- but there is a time when the rules don't suit the situation, and we have to know when, and how, to be lenient with them.
I feel that the laws of the Bible are binding upon Jews -- but that means both the Written Law and the Oral Law as well. The Written Law contains the absolute musts and must-nots, but the Oral Law has been codified to indicate, in part, where the leniencies lie, how and when to take them. So it's possible that the philosophy (requirement?) of plainness is an absolute, but it's also possible that there are leniencies permitted, and I'm wondering if you're being more strict with yourself than is absolutely required, simply because you're at the grammar-and-spelling stage of your faith rather than at the "use the occasional ain't" stage. This isn't an insult or argument against what you do and believe, not at all, God forbid! This is meant as an encouragement to learn more, and maybe to teach me/us here in this forum, and maybe together we can come up with a way of letting you express your inner nature while still observing the musts and must-nots of the faith to which you are so lovingly committed.
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:49 pm
I am definately at the learning stages of plainness,even though I grew up in a very similiar Anabaptist style church. smile I agree with you on this because I am new to the experience,having for years hardened my heart towards God.God got me in the end though. I like being bound to plainness,as it prevents pride and vanity and is God's way of humbling me.However I express my joy of colours and patterns through my art.I have given the fringe issue some thought these last few months and have decided to carry on growing out my fringe,because its more plain and thus more likely to keep me in check and because it dont need a fringe to feel good about myself.I do agree that its essential to keep my hair however in good condition,as hair is the glory of God and of women.And even when my hair is covered, but its a bit greasey I just feel so icke and grubby. The concept of plainness revolves around modesty, humility and unity.When everyone is dressed in a modest uniform and build houses with no frills,there is no vanity about having the *best* and most expensive footwear or clothing and there are no concerns about keeping up with the Jones' and this creates a unity.Church buildings likewise are plain and without ornamentation.And when everyone is dressed in a modest fashion this causes no one to stumble and a man will have to like a woman's personality as well as her looks before he courts her.Most clothes and furniture and buildings are handmade and hard,honest work is encouraged.Laziness is seen to be the sign of the devil(ie-the saying the devil makes work for idle hands)To neglect soil is a grave sin and one that is severe in amish and mennonite eyes.Only a brief education is acceptable in most churches because the concept of competition to get good grades in school is seen as vanity and because there are fears of the teenagers at school becoming *soft* and lazy.A few mennonitie and amish permit higher level education,but generally at christian schools and colleges and for specific jobs that will gain work but not demand too many years of study.Such jobs include secretary work,nursing and teaching.
if you want you can view www.beachyam.org for more details.
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:52 pm
Divash Looks like something you'll really enjoy wearing, Poppy. smile Congratulations on getting it! In other news, Shukr, my favorite website for buying skirts and scarves, has some new arrivals, including a thicker-fabric line for winter wear. Are these plain enough for you and/or your community, Poppy, or are they still too bright? I'm thinking that the black and navy-blue skirts might serve you well. OMG my uncle tld me abut that website i was looking for it!!! SO COOL!
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:04 pm
Hi, Zenama. smile I really like the Shukr website, too. I get almost all my skirts from there, and a few scarves as well. I'm thinking I'll get one or two amira style hijabs from there, since they stay in place so much better than snoods or scarves. I'm very vigorous when I work out, and my scarves or snoods are always slipping. I need something that stays on more securely.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:59 am
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:16 am
PoppyDadswell i heart http://www.shukronline.com/wd4601.html I know, isn't that just so pretty? I bet it would qualify as Plain, too, since it's... you know... plain.
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:41 am
Quote: OMG my uncle tld me abut that website i was looking for it!!! SO COOL! are you muslim?,because thats odd,a muslim saying omg. stressed
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