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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:04 am
There may have been a thread on this sometime before now, but even if there has been, it's high time to make a new one! This is after all a guild that wishes to promote tolerance of people's belief systems and towards that end, it can be useful to think about what the sources of intolerance are in the first place. The idea here isn't to come up with any root cause of intolerance, but to get an idea of the factors that can lead to intolerance. I'll make a list of them here as I get contributions from people and it would be great if we could discuss some of the items, especially in terms of how to remedy the cause.
Fire away, folks!
1) Intolerance is passed down from generation to generation (aka, it is a learned behavior)
2) Intolerance as arising from the ego plus ignorance
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:33 pm
Religous intolerance has been passed down from generation to generation. Even if you are tolerant, we were still influenced by our parents (unless you parents were extremely tolerant) and influenced by society. Each generation it gets better and we can learn to be more tolerant later on in life. You just tend not to like other religions because that is what you were taught.
Well, that is how religous intolerance is spread in my opinion. Still, the root. I guess that is the nature of man. We tend not to like the people that are different from us. They are strange and sometimes that added in with one mistake causes a war. Then that war causes another and even in peace time, we hate people of different religions. We'll never know the first case of it, but we can still poeint out the cause. Man, sadly, hasn't changed much. We still get in wars and we still want money.
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:44 pm
I say it's from a lack of understanding and ego. One person doesn't understand a view different from their own and therefore declare their view to be better.
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:04 pm
Believing your personal path to be the one true path.
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A Murder of Angels Captain
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Eloquent Conversationalist
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:25 am
Mainstream Society Bias. Enjoy. XB
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:35 am
Okay, we'll get to these ideas one by one, so to start of with, let's think about the idea of intolerance being something inherited or learned from the previous generation.
What were some bad things you've learned or heard from other people about a religious group? Let's be as tactful about this as we can; in knowing what we've been taught we can unlearn what we've learned. I'll start out.
I've heard a lot of nasty stuff about Scientology ranging from accusations of it being some brainwashing cult to people just treating it with derision for (near as I can figure) no real good reason. Personally I know practically nothing about Scientology, aside from all the negative things I've heard from other people. Fortunately I know better than to give too much creedence to hearsay without personally verifying its truth, but from hearing so much badmouthing of this system, I know I probably have a subconscious bias against Scientiology. And that's sad. Sad to be unconsciously biased about something in a negative way just because of some crap other people said.
Yup. Never underestimate the power of words, folks. Any words, spoken and heard often enough, become to both speaker and listener... truths.
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:42 pm
Starlock Okay, we'll get to these ideas one by one, so to start of with, let's think about the idea of intolerance being something inherited or learned from the previous generation. What were some bad things you've learned or heard from other people about a religious group? Let's be as tactful about this as we can; in knowing what we've been taught we can unlearn what we've learned. I'll start out. I've heard a lot of nasty stuff about Scientology ranging from accusations of it being some brainwashing cult to people just treating it with derision for (near as I can figure) no real good reason. Personally I know practically nothing about Scientology, aside from all the negative things I've heard from other people. Fortunately I know better than to give too much creedence to hearsay without personally verifying its truth, but from hearing so much badmouthing of this system, I know I probably have a subconscious bias against Scientiology. And that's sad. Sad to be unconsciously biased about something in a negative way just because of some crap other people said. Yup. Never underestimate the power of words, folks. Any words, spoken and heard often enough, become to both speaker and listener... truths. I feel there are more internal factors than external factors when it comes to religious intolerance. As I said ego and lack of understanding are factors but fear is also a large factor. People don't like to be wrong about things and when it comes to what being deals with their immortal soul they become quite afraid. If what they believe and follow is true then they get rewarded for all eternity. But what if they a re wrong? Punishment for all eternity? Just an end to conciousness? Nonexistance? Those are all terrifying thoughts so why not say "HEY IM RIGHT BECAUSE I SAY SO" it eliminates all the fear. I will admit that people are just taught that what they believe is the only right path and everybody else is doomed. In all honesty that is a disturbingly comforting though.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:53 am
Well, let's take this as an example. In book challenge lists, sometimes classics are challenged because they show historical prejudices that used to exist. Sometimes the arguments against the books are that they're teaching children that these kinds of prejudices are okay. What sorts of prejudices do we pick up from books we read or media we view? If we do keep reading these books, does it in any way perpetuate the idea of that original intolerance?
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:23 pm
Starlock Well, let's take this as an example. In book challenge lists, sometimes classics are challenged because they show historical prejudices that used to exist. Sometimes the arguments against the books are that they're teaching children that these kinds of prejudices are okay. What sorts of prejudices do we pick up from books we read or media we view? If we do keep reading these books, does it in any way perpetuate the idea of that original intolerance? Part of it does depend on the person reading it. People tend to pull their own messages from things. The movie "American History X" is a good example of this. I know a few people who are completely racist that love that movie. The actual message of the movie is that racism is bad (ultra fast summary) but they still took it as a promotion of racism and hate crimes.
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:53 am
Kraggus Doomhammer Starlock Well, let's take this as an example. In book challenge lists, sometimes classics are challenged because they show historical prejudices that used to exist. Sometimes the arguments against the books are that they're teaching children that these kinds of prejudices are okay. What sorts of prejudices do we pick up from books we read or media we view? If we do keep reading these books, does it in any way perpetuate the idea of that original intolerance? Part of it does depend on the person reading it. People tend to pull their own messages from things. The movie "American History X" is a good example of this. I know a few people who are completely racist that love that movie. The actual message of the movie is that racism is bad (ultra fast summary) but they still took it as a promotion of racism and hate crimes. If people do read their own messages into things, what's the source of that then? Where might that be learned from? If you're ignorant of biases agianst a particular group, chances are low that you'll read that into a more subtle portrayal of intolerance.
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:12 pm
Starlock Kraggus Doomhammer Starlock Well, let's take this as an example. In book challenge lists, sometimes classics are challenged because they show historical prejudices that used to exist. Sometimes the arguments against the books are that they're teaching children that these kinds of prejudices are okay. What sorts of prejudices do we pick up from books we read or media we view? If we do keep reading these books, does it in any way perpetuate the idea of that original intolerance? Part of it does depend on the person reading it. People tend to pull their own messages from things. The movie "American History X" is a good example of this. I know a few people who are completely racist that love that movie. The actual message of the movie is that racism is bad (ultra fast summary) but they still took it as a promotion of racism and hate crimes. If people do read their own messages into things, what's the source of that then? Where might that be learned from? If you're ignorant of biases agianst a particular group, chances are low that you'll read that into a more subtle portrayal of intolerance. I will agree that biases are learned. However, people's minds aren't completely formed from outside sources. People's minds naturally work a certain way too. Some people are taught biases but they just don't accept them.
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:49 am
So what are factors that might contribute to the unlearning of learned biases, or ignoring biases that you're fed?
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:32 pm
Starlock So what are factors that might contribute to the unlearning of learned biases, or ignoring biases that you're fed? Ignroing can just be from a person's natural disposition. Some people are naturally more inquisitive than others and prefer to research things. Others just seem to naturally follow and do what they are told. Both can happen from a counterpoint or an event that makes them realize that the idea they were fed or are being fed may not be true.
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:00 pm
Its a lack of knowledge. People only know what is around them, they have to be taught everything else, but if they arent taught, they are ignorant. We have the freedom of to worship any religion we want to in this country, but those descisions are made for us a young age. We generaly inherit the religion of our parents, and they inherited it from their parents. But our parents (who are generaly very loyal to their religion) don't normally want their children to be exposed to anything different, for the fear that they might like it more. So in fear they try to keep them away from it as long as possible, so that when the time comes where the children are exposed to these new ways of thinking, they have also became loyal to their religion, but also, at the same time, come to dislike ideas that are different than their own. Its hard to be accept something different than what you already think. Like if they were to prove evolution, all those creationists would have a VERY hard time trying to accept that fact, and alternatively, if creation was proved, evolutionists would have a hard time accepting that.
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:36 am
Kraggus Doomhammer Starlock So what are factors that might contribute to the unlearning of learned biases, or ignoring biases that you're fed? Ignroing can just be from a person's natural disposition. Some people are naturally more inquisitive than others and prefer to research things. Others just seem to naturally follow and do what they are told. Both can happen from a counterpoint or an event that makes them realize that the idea they were fed or are being fed may not be true. Yeah, those who don't want to learn, won't, and especially won't if it isn't required of them in some way. That's part of the reason why I support the idea of teaching about world religions in high school. Not as religious indoctrination, but so people aren't so darned ignorant of the varieties of belief. Besides, then those Creationists would have an appropriate forum for their ideas and maybe they'd be happier?
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