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 Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:29 am
Yes, infinity exists according to evidence and theories I've come up with. I was in a discussion with a muslim friend of mine and he said the universe is limited, not infinite. I asked "well, if the universe ends, then what is outside the universe, or what is blocking anything from escaping?" he said "You can leave the universe"... and that made absolutely no sense. He later clarified that he thought I meant our solar system, not the whole universe. Freedictionay.com pwnz u·ni·verse (yn-vûrs) n. 1. All matter and energy, including the earth, the galaxies, and the contents of intergalactic space, regarded as a whole. 2. a. The earth together with all its inhabitants and created things. b. The human race. 3. The sphere or realm in which something exists or takes place. 4. Logic See universe of discourse. 5. Statistics See population. So, if the universe includes all matter, that would include anti-matter and/or dark-matter, which means all negative matter that is existent or nonexistent. If that is so then anything outside of reality is contained within the universe, meaning the universe is limitless, thus infinite. Khalida Nyoka Of course infinity exists... we needn't look at the universe to see infinity. So I shall go to mathematics, as I am wont to do. First, there is the infinite set of all real numbers. It is infinite because there is no end to the numbers contained within the set. Within that set, would be the infinite set of integers (whole numbers), and within that the two sets of positive and negative integers. Stepping back a bit. From 0 to 1, there are an infinite amount of irrational numbers. So within all real numbers, there is further evidience of infinity. Not to mention imaginary numbers. Now... when applied to physical systems, the incredibly small changes are of little consequence... but it does still make an infinitesimal difference. I mean... Reimann sums/integration work by the idea of adding those infinitely small segments of "change" together. I say that it should have been explicitly stated at the start that what was meant was "infinitely large" not just "infinity." Especially considering the fact that size is relative. ~Moved here by LoBo~ What are your ideas on this minor theory? confused
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:32 pm
You're going by a dictionary definition of the universe, which is based on what we humans know. By our logic we believe everything that is and ever will be is in the universe. I believe we're just one universe of many inside of a bigger much larger area. I don't know what to call the area myself, but it's a place that holds probably millions of other universes like our own, or completely different. I doubt the universe is infinite.
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:10 pm
a**l Jesus You're going by a dictionary definition of the universe, which is based on what we humans know. By our logic we believe everything that is and ever will be is in the universe. I believe we're just one universe of many inside of a bigger much larger area. I don't know what to call the area myself, but it's a place that holds probably millions of other universes like our own, or completely different. I doubt the universe is infinite. Well, I'm going by the first definition, which includes all matter known to man or not.
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:10 pm
Some scientist somewhere did some thing where they did the math and figure out the universe is constantly expanding by 'X' LPS(light years per second).But one day I am sure it will have to stop,at which point,I reckon everything will end...
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:16 pm
Dark_of_Niwa Some scientist somewhere did some thing where they did the math and figure out the universe is constantly expanding by 'X' LPS(light years per second).But one day I am sure it will have to stop,at which point,I reckon everything will end... Why would everything cease to exist once the universe stops expanding?
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:17 pm
You're saying, "Look! The universe is infinite! The dictionary says so." If I came up to you and said, "God exists, and I can prove it without a shadow of a doubt. Here, let me show you what it says in this dictionary. See? 'God' is in the dictionary, so he must exist." Would you believe me? I mean, you can't have the entire basis of your argument be a dictionary definition. It just doesn't work as a valid argument.
And as to the part after the definition...what? You say that the universe contains all matter, existent or not. How can you contain something nonexistent?
Also, what is this about "...anything outside of reality is contained within the universe..."? Unreal things are in the universe? How does that make any sense?
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:24 pm
DrasBrisingr You're saying, "Look! The universe is infinite! The dictionary says so." If I came up to you and said, "God exists, and I can prove it without a shadow of a doubt. Here, let me show you what it says in this dictionary. See? 'God' is in the dictionary, so he must exist." Would you believe me? I mean, you can't have the entire basis of your argument be a dictionary definition. It just doesn't work as a valid argument. And as to the part after the definition...what? You say that the universe contains all matter, existent or not. How can you contain something nonexistent? Also, what is this about "...anything outside of reality is contained within the universe..."? Unreal things are in the universe? How does that make any sense? Your consciousness. Every fictional and non-fictional thought you have 3nodding . And god is in the dictionary, based as an idol of worship. God a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions. I refuse to believe it is real. I put the definition in the dictionary because almost all arguments seem to be based on a single misinterpretation of the definition of a single word. Me and my friend Ali had almost a two hour discussion on infinity because he didn't know I meant the ENTIRE universe.
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:26 pm
Mitsh Dark_of_Niwa Some scientist somewhere did some thing where they did the math and figure out the universe is constantly expanding by 'X' LPS(light years per second).But one day I am sure it will have to stop,at which point,I reckon everything will end... Why would everything cease to exist once the universe stops expanding? My thoughts ezzatly. confused
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:18 pm
There really isn't room to argument if something is to contain "everything" known and not, or real and imagined... sweatdrop
So how exactly does one have a discussion about it?
It sounds to me like the US declaring any place it finds as part of the US, simply because it's there... regardless of whether or not people already claimed the land as theirs.
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:38 pm
I've always reasoned that there is no limit to time or space; our universe, and every other out there, has always been and always will be. The form matter takes may fluctuate (ie: big bang or equivalent) but space is space, an area in which matter will exist. It would seem illogical for there to be any sort of barrier on the "edge" of space. Hell, maybe it doubles back on itself, like a trippy mobius strip.
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:47 pm
8Bit Jack I've always reasoned that there is no limit to time or space; our universe, and every other out there, has always been and always will be. The form matter takes may fluctuate (ie: big bang or equivalent) but space is space, an area in which matter will exist. It would seem illogical for there to be any sort of barrier on the "edge" of space. Hell, maybe it doubles back on itself, like a trippy mobius strip. mmm...Bosconian surprised
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:48 pm
My personal view is that there can be nothing outside of All That Is.
The Universe as I understand it is an all-encompassing term, and thus there can be nothing outside of it.
That's about all I've got to say about that.
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:03 pm
I suppose if the universe was considered space and space is what matter and everything goes into... personally the universe to me would be all this matter that's together... but... I would think a separate body of matter if out there would be something "outside" of this... er... what I view as a universe.
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:42 am
>.>
even it your right with everything you deduced you can only be half right considering its impossible to proove that unknown things exist in the universe. how do you proove somethings out there without knowing what/where/when/how its there?
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:17 am
fluffysteel2 >.> even it your right with everything you deduced you can only be half right considering its impossible to proove that unknown things exist in the universe. how do you proove somethings out there without knowing what/where/when/how its there? Good point.
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