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 Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:29 am
As a Christian, do you believe in Evolution?
I find many Christians who claim to be very good Christians, yet believe in Evolution.
Personally, I think if you believe in Evolution, then you are denying what God made. You are essentially saying Science>God.
So what are your opinions?
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:42 am
i am a Christian and i believe in evolution because i feel that something so cool and wonderful as evolution had to be from God... life and humans came out too perfect to be anything but of God's will.
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:55 am
SusieDerkins life and humans came out too perfect to be anything but of God's will. Evolution is a dumb animal basically. It knew how to evolve. Somehow it knew how to inter connect everything in the world, with no intelligent mind.
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:54 pm
What the real issue is, is the theory of a single ancestor and human evolution, not evolution itself. Evolution is fact, organisms change over time in order to adapt to new situations, it's something that can be witnessed even within our life time, for example peppered moths who's colour changed due to the amount of pollution effecting the local birch trees' colours. I think this ability to change (to evolve) is a fundamental part of God's creation of life. If organisms couldn't change over time they would become stagnant and as soon as the environment around them changed somehow would likely die.
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:15 pm
I do believe in adaptation over time, but the evolution they teach in school is bogus. Earth is only 6-10k years old, maybe up to 20k.
Humans aren't perfect, we have flaws; there are diseases, conditions, disorders, etc that affect lots of people out there and they can potentially pass those down. We did not evolve from monkeys or even sub-humanoid things; we've always been human.
God isn't worried about "cool" or anything; His own Word states the earth was created in six days and each day is detailed in order; evolution is the opposite, so to say that God used evolution is ignorance.
I think a God creating this planet and this universe in six days is way more amazing than taking millions of years.
Besides, this topic is way overdone all over Gaia, and in this guild. It is rather pointless to keep posting and posting; arguments and putting down others is not a way to solve a problem or debate an issue.
I'll give the topic a little time, but won't hesitate to close it if need be.
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:16 pm
First of all, Humans CAN NOT have evolved from apes. It is a proven fact that in every generation, information is lost. This means that your parents have slightly more complex DNA than you. As Humans have more complex DNA than apes, monkeys, or, in fact, any tested creature, it is NOT POSSIBLE for Humans to have evolved from them.
Second, what is commonly called evolution, like the peppered moths, is not evolution at all. It's natural selection. Natural selection is like this - in each generation, genes are lost. If a dog species has a gene for long hair, and one for short hair, and all the long haired genes die off, the dogs will have only short hair untill the gene is re-introduced by mating with a long haired dog. No new genes, just losing genes.
Third of all, DNA itself is a code. What you look like is not determened by what types of partaclis are in your DNA, but by how they are aranged. That means code. There is NO instance where matter can produce code or information. NOT ONE. So there must have been a creator.
Lastly, the earth is probobly only 6-7 thousand years old. Mabye a little more, mabye a little less. The only place in the Bible where millions of years can fit is in creation, Genisis 1. Hence the Day-Age theory. The Hebrew word for day can mean "day", as in 24 hours, or a legnth of time, say, a year. Or any legnth of time. However - whenever it is used with the word morning or the word evening, or with a number, as in "first, second, third, ect", it ALWAYS means a 24 hour day. I speak Hebrew, so I know.
Sorry if that sounded bossy, or showy, of know-it-all-ish, but I don't know how else to say it.
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:59 pm
First I want to start of by apologizing. I should have said that not all of evolution is the problem, just the idea of a single ancestor in which all life stemmed and human evolution.
Do to crossing over of genes and mutations there are changes in the genes. Some information is lost but it's replaced with new information. Chromosomes stay the same length from one generation to the next. I have never heard of genes becoming less complex, only more so. I'm curious where you heard about this "de-complicating" as it were? (I'm genuinely curious so I don't want you to take that the wrong way, I've just never heard of it and I'm a bio major.)
The way you describe N.S. makes it sound like an alternative theory to evolution, which it isn't. The 2 go hand in hand, N.S. is the generally accepted "mechanism" by which evolution occurs. Evolution is the changes that occur which result in the formation of new species. N.S. is "how" that happens.
Biologist have yet to explain the origins to RNA. So yes how the coding for organisms came into to being is still elusive. Which is one of the reasons for the rising of the theory of intelligent design. Evolution is fairly easy to demonstrate on a macro scale but micro evolution is a bit more sketchy.
Lastly the general academic consensus in that the world is approximately 4.1 billion years old.
These don't necessarily reflect my personal opinions they're just what I've been taught and read.
"evolution: an explanation of the way in which present-day organisms have been produced, involving changes taking place in the genetic make up of populations that have been passed on to successive generations."
Collins internet-linked dictionary of Biology (Soft Cover)
Sorry Xi, I know how much this topic fustraights you, it starts to wear on me too. If the topic starts to degenerate into basically nothing but yelling I'll close it down, or you. Whoever gets here first.
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:23 pm
LadySiara Lastly the general academic consensus in that the world is approximately 4.1 billion years old. Yeah, the world, meaning "of the world". There are no parts of the Bible that could possibly fit with the whole millions of years things without taking things out of context. If you believe the earth is millions of years old, etc, then you don't believe in the whole Word of God; also, Genesis is a book of history, not a book of poetry or myths; all that stuff actually happened.
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:27 pm
LadySiara What the real issue is, is the theory of a single ancestor and human evolution, not evolution itself. Evolution is fact, organisms change over time in order to adapt to new situations, it's something that can be witnessed even within our life time, for example peppered moths who's colour changed due to the amount of pollution effecting the local birch trees' colours. I think this ability to change (to evolve) is a fundamental part of God's creation of life. If organisms couldn't change over time they would become stagnant and as soon as the environment around them changed somehow would likely die. Actually, they didn't evolve, there are two different kinds of moths in that area, dark and light. When the trees darkened, birds started eating the lighter colored moths because they were viewable, whereas before you couldn't see them on the birch trees when they were white. They didn't evolve, just population of species changed.
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:14 am
I live 4 God LadySiara What the real issue is, is the theory of a single ancestor and human evolution, not evolution itself. Evolution is fact, organisms change over time in order to adapt to new situations, it's something that can be witnessed even within our life time, for example peppered moths who's colour changed due to the amount of pollution effecting the local birch trees' colours. I think this ability to change (to evolve) is a fundamental part of God's creation of life. If organisms couldn't change over time they would become stagnant and as soon as the environment around them changed somehow would likely die. They didn't evolve, just population of species changed. That is evolution... As the light ones were eaten up that increased the number of black moths and as they reproduced the species colour shifted in that direction. It's called directional selection and it's one of the shifts involved in natural selection which is the mechanism for evolution.
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:15 pm
Yes, but the moths themselves didn't change. Which is what she was suggesting.
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:33 pm
She being me. And I wasn't talking about the individual moths changing but the population as a whole. If efforts hadn't been made to clean up the pollution the entire moth population might have over time might have culled out the white moths and it's changes like that which result in eventual changes in species. I grant that it's not the best example because it doesn't effect the ability of the white moths to reproduce with the black moths but I used it because it's one of the most common examples found in biology texts.
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 3:27 pm
Now I am Christian but I am not totally against evolution. The reason that I say this is because I believe that over time organisms can adapt to their environment but only through little changes. As for for fish changing in ot land walkers and then into humans. That is just truly unbelievable. So next time you make such a strong assumption you had better have a very good reason and and some strong evinced, because I am in no way what so ever denying what the Lord has done in this world.
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:26 pm
With enough research a good Christian can come to see that the reality of Evolution is that it is all false.
The believer in evolution has more faith than I do. It takes a lot of faith to believe in such slim chances, and less to believe "God did it".
After all, the chances of evolution are the same as a blind man finding 1 marked grain of sand, in ALL of the sand in the WHOLE world.
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THREE TIMES IN A ROW.
The more you know about biology, the more you'll discover that there just seems to be something missing.
It's called reason.
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:24 am
What about the theory that God created the earth but not in our earthly 7 days. What is it really was millions of years?
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