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tetrasmaster
Captain

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:26 pm


What are your thoughts on the FMV?

Was it on Cloti's side, why or why not? : ]

KDD sent me this:
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Notice how Cloud is holding Tifa's hand so that she doesn't fall? :]
I never noticed that! So cuuute. <33

And, she sent me the essay from this site:

http://eternal.cloti-aikou.net/index1.html

About the final FMV. I'll post it here:

Though my opinion has changed over the years on the ending itself, what exactly happens between Cloud and Tifa only varies with minor detail. Yes this is what I think happens, my interpretation of the who "Let's meet her" thing. Firstly, after Sephiroth is beaten Cloud and Tifa are the last ones left behind, Cloud falling once more into what could be said as the lifestream, mentally, and or physically. Through the tunnel in which he falls into there are echoes of Aeris' theme, the materia dropping in my opinion echoes of the struggle for the planet and what happened when she tried to help it by summoning Holy. Cloud reaches the bottom where the final battle between him and Sephiroth take place, in which Sephiroth looses. Cloud being surrounding by the stream of consciousness in which he looks up as he follows the stream into the light of which Aeris' hand appears to be reaching for him. Yes, yes and by all means it IS Aeris' hand, her theme plays as she reaches for him, and he tries to reach for the hand back.

Though he could not grab the hand because of the interruption of Tifa's hand who seems to be reaching for him. I'd like to recap this little bit first before I continue on. This has several meanings as far as I'm concerned, for one the idea of Cloud reaching for Aeris' hand could be interpreted as that he's trying to see her again, this light, it was probably an overwhelming situation something where he was being lead into this. The place is in, is probably that of the promised land, or a derivitive the place where souls may gather perhaps this is why there is a finalization between Cloud and Sephiroth as they fought there. Though the real intention of this scene as I see it, is that Aeris is trying to bring Cloud back to reality, to draw him closer so that he'll be able to see Tifa and snap out of this dream world. See, I always saw this scene as a type of illusion almost that Cloud was trapped in, one where he would not go to see Aeris because that is not where he belongs. The fact that he suddenly sees Tifa's hand the same way he sees Aeris' hand in my opinion is symbolic on so many levels.

He sees Tifa's hand because it represents the other side of where he was, where life is, where love is right in front of him reaching for him (and Tifa is clearly a symbol of love throughout the game whether you support c/t or not). Not only that but I think the music for itself speaks also on it's own level in this scene most importantly. As Aeris' theme plays, as she reaches for Cloud, and as he notices that it's really Tifa in front of him, her theme becomes out of tune and off tune for that matter. Meaning clear as day that Tifa is what he should be seeing and paying attention to. This could also mean in it's own way that the stream of consciousness that Cloud was surrounded by was not only Aeris but Tifa's voice coming through to him sort of how it was when they were in the lifestream together. Though, that part of the theory is more in speculation than my other thoughts.

And as Tifa reaches for Cloud who she tries yelling to, and who is about to fall. The floor beneath her breaks and she falls, Cloud quickly acting as he catches her from falling and saving not only her but himself as he grabs onto a ledge. Though I have a whoooooole other explaination of what the symbolism is for Cloud catching Tifa and you can read it here. I'm not gonna repeat myself on that issue, but let me continue for the rest of what I want to rant about. As Cloud continues to hold Tifa he says "I think I'm beginning to understand", "An answer from the planet....the promised land.", "I think I can meet her...there." as Cloud finishes that Tifa looks up at him with a smile and says "Yeah, let's go meet her." Let me interprete this because I know this whole scene can have so many damn meanings. For one thing I think he was generally talking about his experience after beating Sephiroth in seeing Aeris' hand reaching for him. Generally speaking, he could just be talking about seeing her in that place when it's time he goes to that place where she is. Though I don't know where the implications come from that he wants to marry her and start a family...because the real Cloud did not meet Aeris, he would like to, in the promised land. The promised land was defined as a physical place and a mental place during the game, and overall it's "a place of supreme happiness".

Tifa's response to his words could be said that she knew exactly what he was talking about or didn't. For one, she she indeed happy when Cloud brought up the issue of meeting her, I don't think it was "defeat" or she was "bowing" her head like I read somewhere before. She simply smiled as you could plain as day see because Aeris was her friend and rested her head closer to his chest because it was a happy realization that no matter where Cloud goes and no matter what he does Tifa will always be with him by his side as she has been since the beginning. This is why she comments by saying "Yeah...let's go meet her" it's either her understanding that they might die, or that no matter what happens she'll be with him. I tend to go with the latter because that's the kind of character Tifa is. I also tend to go with this and the fact that she was happy because of the music in the background. As Cloud speaks of the promised land, Tifa's theme plays and as the conversastion ends it becomes triumphant not depressing (I also don't tend to believe those who say she finally came to realization that Cloud loves Aeris...um that to me doesn't A) make sense and B) doesn't constitute a triumphant melody). Not only that but Tifa's theme combines with the main FFVII theme which is Cloud's theme, as if there is an understanding between them, as they lift themselves up from the ledge they give each other a look and see the others calling them. With that Tifa's theme and the main theme finish off as she waves.

This is sort of minor but I feel I have to say it anywhere just to push my ideas. When the highwind is blasted from the crater everyone is falling on their sides, and Cloud indeed *does* grab Tifa's hand as he holds onto a rail stopping them from falling to the sides. Not only that but in the sequence of the whole ending Cloud is always near Tifa, yes please feel free to call me a nitpicker and that omfg that doesn't mean anything. Though to me in the long run, with such strong proof prior to this minor bs, it makes sense and should be acknowledge because it is there.


Very nice points! :] Don't you all agree!
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:34 pm


Most definitely! heart heart

I think this scene is very misunderstood by CloudAeris fans. They seem to see it as a defeat for Tifa but people seem to forget Aeris was Tifa's friend too. When she says "Yeah, let's go meet her," Tifa isn't plotting in her head ways to stand in between Cloud and Aeris' relationship (as a couple or friends, however you choose to interpret it) she says that and lowers her head because she misses her friend who fought beside her and gave up her life to say them all, not because "she realizes Cloud loves Aerith and they are never going to get married and make babies LOLOLOLOLOL!!!11"

Yes, Cloud reaches for Aeris' hand, but when he heard Tifa calling out to him he took hers instead. heart

Truthiness3x4
Vice Captain

Sara Hysaro

Precious Seeker

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:12 pm


Cloud and Aeris can't get married and have babies anyway. She's dead. Hate to be blunt here, but it's the truth. sweatdrop

Guess what? Tifa's not dead! He can marry her if he so desires (and if she complies, of course), and as long as the brief materia-related radiation didn't make him sterile he can have children with her.

I hate the way I worded that second paragraph. It sounds vaguely mean to me, but I can't think of any other way to put it.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:24 pm


Oh, that's not mean. xd I can be MUCH nastier than that. xd Most of us can....especially in debates. It's another side of us that comes out....ooh...little nasty goblins going to chomp up some Cleris and Cloti. xd Females are such strange creatures....though not physically strong, we can sure make the bravest man cower with words alone.

I love the ending....because Cloud seems so affectionate to Tifa. He looked like he moved on, really moved on. All his attention focuses on Tifa. When both climb up on the rock, Cloud turns to Tifa whereas before in his mental instability he did not regard her. In the Highwind, when the airship falls, he holds onto Tifa. It's quite romantic because it shows that they're are right there! Together! Next to each other! In close proximity to each other! Though, it's not like that scene is the basis of Cloti relationship, of course not! It's just cute. 3nodding When Tifa is looking outside, Cloud looks up at her. Once again, he's so much more caring towards her.

Twindream
Crew


Sara Hysaro

Precious Seeker

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:51 pm


Yeah, but when I consider the tone of the paragraph it just seems mean and mildly rude to me. Maybe I'm just overly nice? sweatdrop
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:53 pm


Heheh, most likely. You seem to catch yourself pretty quickly before you fall. xd I on the other hand will let that out from time to time. xp But yeah, "Patience is a virtue, catch it if you can. Seldom found in a woman, but never in a man." -Mrs. Charette (my sixth grade language arts teacher. blaugh )

Twindream
Crew


Sara Hysaro

Precious Seeker

PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 3:50 pm


Sounds like a nice teacher. biggrin
PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:31 pm


Oh yeah....she definitely was...but almost everyone hated her. xd

Twindream
Crew


Sara Hysaro

Precious Seeker

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:49 pm


Really? I've had teachers that I liked but everyone else hated. Kinda wierd hearing them make fun of the teacher when the teacher wasn't listening.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:15 pm


Yeah, it's strange isn't it? Kids these days are just so immature. It annoys me how disrespectful they are to the instructors sometimes. rolleyes But yeah, we're getting off topic. xd

Quote:
He sees Tifa's hand because it represents the other side of where he was, where life is, where love is right in front of him reaching for him (and Tifa is clearly a symbol of love throughout the game whether you support c/t or not).


Here I agree with that Tifa is a symbol for love and of memories because throughout the game she is supportive of Cloud and tries to hide her feelings. Also, her compassion for everyone sets her apart from the others. Aeris is more of a symbol for life. Her outfit itself shows a deep contrast between the game's dark exterior. Her bubbly nature is life itself. And both girls share the same element=water.

Twindream
Crew


Truthiness3x4
Vice Captain
PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:59 pm


Twindream
Yeah, it's strange isn't it? Kids these days are just so immature. It annoys me how disrespectful they are to the instructors sometimes. rolleyes But yeah, we're getting off topic. xd

Quote:
He sees Tifa's hand because it represents the other side of where he was, where life is, where love is right in front of him reaching for him (and Tifa is clearly a symbol of love throughout the game whether you support c/t or not).


Here I agree with that Tifa is a symbol for love and of memories because throughout the game she is supportive of Cloud and tries to hide her feelings. Also, her compassion for everyone sets her apart from the others. Aeris is more of a symbol for life. Her outfit itself shows a deep contrast between the game's dark exterior. Her bubbly nature is life itself. And both girls share the same element=water.


Hmm, how do they share in the element of water? I've heard that about Aeris several times but never Tifa.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:44 pm


As have I, I've heard mostly that Aeris's element was water. But I have heard that about Tifa also, just not as much. Although, Aeris's element is pretty much the most evident, since there are quite a few scenes involving water and Aeris's theme. There really is no clear sign that Tifa has the same element or not though, but, I'll agree with Twin, getting a little off topic me thinks.

iResilience


Truthiness3x4
Vice Captain
PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:00 pm


NerotheSable7714
As have I, I've heard mostly that Aeris's element was water. But I have heard that about Tifa also, just not as much. Although, Aeris's element is pretty much the most evident, since there are quite a few scenes involving water and Aeris's theme. There really is no clear sign that Tifa has the same element or not though, but, I'll agree with Twin, getting a little off topic me thinks.


Well I've also been told Tifa likes to swim but I'm not exactly sure where people have pulled that fact from.... gonk
PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:10 pm


I have no idea where that came from, neither the game nor the movie mentioned anything like that. *Shrugs* But, I'm not on the staff, so what do I know? I think that's probably just a rumor.

iResilience


Sara Hysaro

Precious Seeker

PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:06 pm


It's cause the end of Tifa's ponytail looks like a dolphin's tail in the game. And isn't one of her overdrives related to water? I'd have to play the game again.
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