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 Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:53 pm
Post why you like this pairing. heart
Quite simply, I like Cloti because it's a balanced relationship. There are conflicts and resolved conflicts, love and understanding. What kind of relationship is always perfect? Love shows that if you get in arguements, you are able to forgive the person and make up, which I believe happens with Cloti. It's a blossoming and deepening relationship with solid proof and lovely depth. <333
In more depth:
My thoughts on Cloti... WOW, there are just so many.
I think, that the very fact that they made a promise beneath the stars as children, is a very good start for them already. If you all recall, Cloud didn't even think Tifa would show up for him, but she did. When Cloud meets her again after so long, he apologizes for not being able to fufill the promise. He always felt like he wasn't good enough for Tifa, and was always trying to impress her. I think that right there means a lot, because you don't just TRY to impress a friend. You sometimes might, but constantly? To feel so guilty for endangering Tifa and not being able to be there for her... I think that means just so much.
Also, Cloud's subconsious. Tifa was the only one who knew who the real Cloud was, even when Cloud himself didn't know who he was. She unlocked his memories, and helped him realize who his true self was. That shows that Tifa knows a lot about Cloud, that she's very close to him. Aerith said it herself, that she was a bit jealous that Tifa was the one to help Cloud realize those things. But, she also knew that Tifa was the only one who could do it.
I think that what Tifa and Cloud share underneath the highwind is definitely special. Of course, that's where the famous 'Feelings aren't conveyed by words alone' quote/moment takes place. Though it's debated what happened after Tifa says this, it's still a very romantic scene. Cloud hasn't been that close to anyone else, physically.
Also, I think that opposites attract really is all just hype. Tifa and Cloud are very much alike eachother, and that's what I think makes the two so perfect. Tifa likes to hide her feelings, and so does Cloud. However, Cloud and Tifa both show that they know what's on eachothers mind countless times. In fact, in AC Tifa's words of encouragement like the whole 'dilly dally' thing, really helped Cloud in the end.
As mentioned, I think that the fact that Cloud and Tifa are taking care of the children together is a very big thing. They have plenty of time to be close, during that. Not to mention that it was said by even Aeris that she's entrusting her feelings in Tifa's hands, now. She trusts Tifa to live 'together' with Cloud.
I think the scene in VII where Cloud is about to fall into Aeris's flowershop, and Tifa says "Cloud! Don't die! There's so much I have to tell you..."
And Cloud says,
"Tifa, I know..."
What does that mean, percisely? xD It could mean a lot of romantic things, deep things; I think!
Out of all the gondola dates, I thought that Cloud and Tifa's was the sweetest. Because, in Aeris', you can be mean to her. And, Aeris basically admits then that she wants to know the real Cloud.
Tifa on the other hand, almost confesses her love for Cloud.
Tifa has always supported Cloud, through his difficult times. When he lost hope, when Aeris died, when he wanted to give up all together--- she helped him realize so much, and helped him through all of these things.
There's so much more I could say! Ahhh~~ <33
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:30 pm
Beautifully said Lunar. I don't really believe in that "opposites attract crap". In reality, that's not the case at all. (Lol, I'm taking Psychology class, so I should know. 3nodding )
They are pretty much the picture perfect couple. Cleris seems too....surreal, like just a dream because Aeris is just a "perfect" angel whilst Cloud is your "down-in-the-dumps-I-need-Tifa" guy. xd Ahem, sorry, I'm having a little fun torturing Cloud here.
As couples do, Cloud and Tifa even got into a fight. Even though it was not heated or anything, but it was frustration, frustration that Cloud won't tell Tifa anything and guilt and exasperation that Tifa won't leave Cloud alone. However, the fight isn't prolonged. Those two know each other too well to keep their anger in. That's what love is, unconditional and understanding love for one another.
Cloud and Tifa's relationship is very deep. You don't need to have them hold hands and kiss to know that they really do share a special kind of love. It's subconscious and spiritual. (Well duh, Tifa did go into Cloud's mind...and what did Cloud say in one of his hidden selfs? "A wish...tender memories that no one could ever know. whee heart ) Like Tifa said, they don't need words. It's all obvious right in their hearts. Cleris is more of a physical relationship. Cloud yearns for comfort and Aeris is initially attracted to him because of his similar appearance to Zack, but in the end she wanted to be with him. Of course this holds many controversies but I think it's obvious..."Mother?" xd
Like Lunar...I could write a book if I wish, but I'll end it here. heart
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:12 pm
I like Cloti for all those reasons and I really can't think of any other reasons. It's great how Tifa always manages to bring Cloud out of the darkness.
Wait...am I refering more to Kingdom Hearts than to FFVII? I'm sorry. I think it applies to the original game too though. I think that if it weren't for Tifa, Cloud would probably sink into some horrible abyss within his mind. Luckily, Tifa was there. biggrin
Would Aeris be able to help him? Probably not. She doesn't know Cloud in the least bit, and wouldn't be able to coax out Cloud's inner thoughts and feelings. Or at least I don't think she'd be able to.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:31 pm
I believe in the pairing for those reasons, mostly because it's a pairing that has one very important foundation in it, they were friends for years. Also, Cloud and Tifa would get nervous around each other. Wanna know why? Because they didn't know how or when to express their feelings. They also seem very compatible, plus, the first time Cloud ever smiled, as displayed in the thread made by Schemer, was towards Tifa. Another reason seems that Aeris is pushing Cloud towards Tifa now, if she wasn't why the heck did she let Cloud go when he was supposed to die? Coincidence, nah. That's all I gotta say.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:20 pm
Beware my logicx yo! Those with weak hearts may want to close the screen.
Few things to contribute:
-Tifa wouldn't be able to help Cloud in the lifestream if it werent for Aerith's help
-Aerith loves Cloud more.
(read MoTP peoles)
Ehh...I myself am not a big childhood lovers fan. I think I've read too much of Yazawa-sama's manga xD The promise wasnt that 'romantic' in my opnion. I love tragic romance. That's just what I like. ^__^
This made me laugh though. "Clerith is more of a physical relationship" dramallama -I shall not laugh.- I told myself I wouldn't laugh...
....
AHAHAHAHHA rofl (imitation of Tidus laugh!! : OO)
And Tifa has a maternal bond with Cloud. As stated by nomura.
And Lastly time doesnt equal substance.
[/nuffsaid]
Anyways I like Clotis as friends as family or as
"More than friends less than lovers"
That's how I've always seen them and thats how I will continue to see them. I see their relationship as stable and it doesnt seem to be progessing any farther then 'just friends' and even if they become more than just friends I still cant see them as lovers. I just cant. But I can see them as ex-lovers, if that makes sense. Like two people drawn to each other but it's not destiny, it just wasnt meant to be. No matter how much either of them loves each other, it wasnt meant to be.
If you want to get a better picture of what I meant read the lyrics to Last Bouqet by Gazette. That song frickin defines the Cloti relationship. But beware if you read too many Gaze songs you will surely become a Clerith. wink
Anyways that's all my opinion. Take it however you like. ^^
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:34 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. Few things to contribute: -Tifa wouldn't be able to help Cloud in the lifestream if it werent for Aerith's help -Aerith loves Cloud more. (read MoTP peoles)
-The fact is both girls did what they had to do to save Cloud's sanity. It's not a matter of "Aeris did this," or Tifa did that!"
-I recall reading that Aeris loved Cloud so much more than she loved Zack but I found nothing in that story about her loving Cloud more than Tifa.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:09 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. Beware my logicx yo! Those with weak hearts may want to close the screen.
Few things to contribute:
-Tifa wouldn't be able to help Cloud in the lifestream if it werent for Aerith's help
-Aerith loves Cloud more.
(read MoTP peoles)
Ehh...I myself am not a big childhood lovers fan. I think I've read too much of Yazawa-sama's manga xD The promise wasnt that 'romantic' in my opnion. I love tragic romance. That's just what I like. ^__^
This made me laugh though. "Clerith is more of a physical relationship" dramallama -I shall not laugh.- I told myself I wouldn't laugh...
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AHAHAHAHHA rofl (imitation of Tidus laugh!! : OO)
And Tifa has a maternal bond with Cloud. As stated by nomura.
And Lastly time doesnt equal substance.
[/nuffsaid]
Anyways I like Clotis as friends as family or as
"More than friends less than lovers"
That's how I've always seen them and thats how I will continue to see them. I see their relationship as stable and it doesnt seem to be progessing any farther then 'just friends' and even if they become more than just friends I still cant see them as lovers. I just cant. But I can see them as ex-lovers, if that makes sense. Like two people drawn to each other but it's not destiny, it just wasnt meant to be. No matter how much either of them loves each other, it wasnt meant to be.
If you want to get a better picture of what I meant read the lyrics to Last Bouqet by Gazette. That song frickin defines the Cloti relationship. But beware if you read too many Gaze songs you will surely become a Clerith. wink
Anyways that's all my opinion. Take it however you like. ^^
Also, I do agree with your feelings Pink, on that Cleris was more "physical". I didn't really think it was. I agree with Twin when she says that it is more "dreamlike". I thought that Cloud and Tifa showed not only their attraction for eachother through words, but through physical contact as well. They had both things equally balanced out.
And Pink, I find it odd that you mention fate. That no matter how two people may love one another, it's simply not meant to be. The thing that is odd, is that that describes Cleris more, in my opinion. Let's just say for a moment that Cloud loved Aeris back as deeply as she loved him. She dies and he can't be with her, but Tifa is there. His feelings start to grow for her. As much as he may have loved Aeris, he can't be with her. That's the fate of that situation. And let's say after Aeris dies, he doesn't love Tifa romantically. Even if he keeps dreaming and thinking about Aeris, he still can't be with her AKA fate. IF Cloud did indeed, love Aeris.
Which I don't believe so I'm rambling...
I for one, believe in love after death however... when you bring "fate" into the picture it sets things ascew. You don't know the fate of Cloud's heart, because we don't know what Cloud thinks PRECISELY. Also, if two people REALLY loved one another, they'd do everything in their power to MAKE it meant to be.
I know I would.
I think both girls have a maternal bond with Cloud.
Aeris smiling like an affectionate mother in Maiden.
Cloud calling Aeris mother.
Tifa having feelings like a mother.
Tifa watching over the kids, like a mother.
Yes? Yes.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:54 pm
Oh good grief....Pink's here. wink Too bad Lunar and Kefka-Daisuki-Desu beat me to countering your points. Quote: And Tifa has a maternal bond with Cloud. As stated by nomura. Funny that you should mention this Pink. I feel that we've debated quite enough in the Honeybee Inn by where the two women stand. confused As stated in MOTP, CoT, and AC, they've both showed motherly instincts. Quote: Of course this holds many controversies but I think it's obvious..."Mother?" xd That was a joke Pink, I meant no hostilities. rofl
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:00 am
No you guys miunderstood! I meant Aerith loved Cloud more than Zack! sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:44 pm
Oh....well soooooryyy. But there's one thing I'd like to stress Quote: If you want to get a better picture of what I meant read the lyrics to Last Bouqet by Gazette. That song frickin defines the Cloti relationship. But beware if you read too many Gaze songs you will surely become a Clerith. Unfortunately you seem to look at only the negative side of Case of Tifa and AC, like how they weren't able to support each other, but let me ask you this....does that so called "broken" relationship continue after AC? Err, no, it doesn't. From the ending, you can clearly tell that life goes back to the way it was. Without Cloud's guilt and the geostigma, one can infer that Cloud is back to the way he was when they decided to restart their lives. And please don't give me "What ifs" like some Cleris going "Cloud visited Aeris in the flower field and that means he still chases and whatnot". I'm only saying that it's most plausible. After all, he still has Denzel and Marlene to take care of and Tifa to protect. You don't see Cloud go all emo. And so what if the two fought once? They made up almost immediately afterwards. What makes a broken relationship? Incompatibly. Before, both Cloud and Tifa weren't able to start or really consider a relationship because both are closed off from each other, but since the lifestream event, they both became open and yeah, you know the story. They aren't incompatible! Case of Tifa shows how well they get along. They aren't awkward around each other...I mean, even Cloud seemed to be real confident and forward, saying that he'd remind her to be strong and that they would living together in the future.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:48 am
.[.pink.spider.]. No you guys miunderstood! I meant Aerith loved Cloud more than Zack! sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:42 pm
Okie I want point this to Ms. apple(ringo) please post your own responses! : 3
I mean it's not my place but I've noticed that all your posts consist of quoting everyone else and you leave that blank! I mean it's completely fine to quote people as long as respond to that! Leaving blank posts is just spam!
It doesnt take much effort, just press the keys! : D!! heart
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:22 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. Okie I want point this to Ms. apple(ringo) please post your own responses! : 3
I mean it's not my place but I've noticed that all your posts consist of quoting everyone else and you leave that blank! I mean it's completely fine to quote people as long as respond to that! Leaving blank posts is just spam!
It doesnt take much effort, just press the keys! : D!! heart  Thanks for that, Pink. :] I was going to call out Ringo on that, too.
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:41 am
I don't really have an in-depth reason, I just think they are very sweet together. I think they are soul mates.
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:58 pm
Muchs_pygmy I don't really have an in-depth reason, I just think they are very sweet together. I think they are soul mates. So simple, but so true. :]
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