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 Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:12 pm
I know there were used only as cautionary tales to ensure that children obeyed their parents. That's why many of them ended so horribly. Either showing what happened to the wicked, or just telling of horrible children who would not listen to their parents being taken away. Personally I adore old fairy tales, myths, and legends. Things that tell a mixture of horror and wonder. The beutiful, and the ugly. They fantastic, and the mundane.
So my question is, what do you think about these new, watered down versions of the original tales? What do you think about the trend that seems to have started with disney in changing the endings, and sometimes even the entire story, to make it more "child friendly?"
Feel free to discuss!
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:29 pm
*peeks in. . .sees no response. . .. sighs*
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:56 pm
I think this should be moved into the debate/mature discussion forum as you've explained yourself quite well here. It's not quite chatterbox material!
Anyhow, I understand where you are coming from. Fairy Tales [Especially Grimm's] are incredibly strange and wonderful and most of them have a strong moralistic subtext and in older fairy tales we do see older characters being portrayed as evil counterparts to the younger heroin/heroines.
I heard Disney weren't allowed to portray older people as being a nemesis or protagonist in a film any longer as children were (according to psychologists), developing a sense of unhealthy fear towards the elderly.
I think that the "trend" as you put it is manifesting from the fact that younger children are seen as more impressionable and influential and in fact more sensitive.. although I don't think this is true.
I think children are more opinionated and volatile and respond better to gore and hostility these days. Although it is the few cases of destruction by "influence" of media that ruin the innocence of a well told story with the rawness of reality mixed with fantasy.
Personally I think it's wrong that future children's writers will have to as you say "water-down" their stories to make them more palatable for editors to publish.
-Loves Hansel and Gretal, Ginger bread houses and witches and death!-.
YAY.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:09 pm
Right, I think this is more of a debate topic, so I'm moving it.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:32 pm
now a days the stories wayback when were used to scare children, now there watered down to not even scare a baby , it's fun to see them in a comedic form , but no one telling what the story are really about that gonna be the actually story in some point of future
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:29 am
I read a book on child psychology and fairy tales, once. It was a little creepy. Like, have you ever noticed how often the real mother is eithor absent, or really good and kind, and is replaced with an evil stepmother? It explains this by saying that the child is using the good mother/evil stepmother thing to reconcile themselves with the sometimes nurturing, sometimes disciplinary mother in real life. All sorts of layers, and stuff in fairy tales.
The most gruesome fairy tale I have ever read was Cinderella. C'mon, the thing where the stepsisters cut off thier toes to fit in the slipper? Kinda nasty.
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:11 pm
yes i agree the grimm's fairy tales and myths from various anchient civilzations can be rather brutal but they have a good meaning behind them, although some go to the extreem, like when set built a cofin for osiris, then put him in the coffin nailed it shut andploated it down the nile, i think he also cut up osiris, but i cann't rember
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:53 am
I think we should go back to the old stories where violence and blood shed were incouraged. (Most original stories of 'fairy tales" are very disgusting and ill minded)
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:19 am
PhoenixTorte I read a book on child psychology and fairy tales, once. It was a little creepy. Like, have you ever noticed how often the real mother is eithor absent, or really good and kind, and is replaced with an evil stepmother? It explains this by saying that the child is using the good mother/evil stepmother thing to reconcile themselves with the sometimes nurturing, sometimes disciplinary mother in real life. All sorts of layers, and stuff in fairy tales. I'd love to read that book. As for the topic at hand: Personally, I love the original fairy tales. The watered-down ones aren't even the same story. It's sad, and we're losing an important part of the native culture--where the story originated, I mean.
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:16 pm
Starlit Revolver PhoenixTorte I read a book on child psychology and fairy tales, once. It was a little creepy. Like, have you ever noticed how often the real mother is eithor absent, or really good and kind, and is replaced with an evil stepmother? It explains this by saying that the child is using the good mother/evil stepmother thing to reconcile themselves with the sometimes nurturing, sometimes disciplinary mother in real life. All sorts of layers, and stuff in fairy tales. I'd love to read that book. As for the topic at hand: Personally, I love the original fairy tales. The watered-down ones aren't even the same story. It's sad, and we're losing an important part of the native culture--where the story originated, I mean. Have you ever even read any of the originals? eek
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:50 am
I love the old versions, and while I can see why they watered them down, I still don't think that they should have. What are we trying to protect these children from? That if you aren't careful then you can get hurt and there is NOT always going to be someone there to help you just in the nick of time? I think that kids should know that, we'd have less of them doing stupid s**t that their parents could have prevented. Like the kids who jump to their deaths because the fairy dust is real and can make them fly, and crap like that.
Everybody is so very gung-ho about protecting children's innocence, up to and including shielding them from stuff that it really wouldn't hurt them to know, and some stuff that they probably should.
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:41 am
I agree that while the tales that are watered down are better for kids. they still could have incorperated better ideas that while are slightly watered down, they still have a morale that keeps kids from being jackasses and like one of you said jumping off buildings because they believe fairy dust is real. What that really teaching kids. That they are practical invincible and their not.
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:42 pm
I think the old fairy tales were very good ways of warning children of the dangers out in the world without having to be so explicit as raising the issues of peadophiles etc.
I can understand why people are concerned they are too dark, but I think they are better than the actual truths
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:13 pm
*thinks* We should keep the old fairy tales.The new ones don't help now really at all.The children of today just find them amusing.Not really much into thinking of it really.There's no real teaching in newer versions of old fairy tales.Like "The Little Boy Who Cried Wolf".They changed the ending of that story completely. The old fairy tales were much better at teaching children.That's the way I see it.
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:45 am
V379 yes i agree the grimm's fairy tales and myths from various anchient civilzations can be rather brutal but they have a good meaning behind them, although some go to the extreem, like when set built a cofin for osiris, then put him in the coffin nailed it shut andploated it down the nile, i think he also cut up osiris, but i cann't rember that's not exactly an extreme I've read many versions egyption mythology set cuts Osiris to pieces scatters the pieces Osiris's wife takes the pieces puts him back together and revives him, an extreme is what happened to one of the titans (I forget which one) where he is tied to a cliff and every day a vulture would come and peck and claw out his organs they would then regenerate and would happen all over again, srry for the off topicness I'm just kind of a stickler when it comes to mythology. I personaly enjoy old fairy tales over the watered down Disney versions and I have scince I was younger. One of my favorites was the pied piper what does he do when the people don't pay him, he drowns all there children now that's how fairy tales are supposed to end with an over exagerated punishment to scare children into behaving
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