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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:19 pm
Ya, I know it's long, if you don't read it I understand, but if you do I'd like to know your opinion.
It's I guess a little better if the person actually tries to support their argument with more than a, "Because it tastes good", but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there is NO logical reason to eat meat. I'm no animal lover, I'm just the kind of person that questions. I've heard several arguments trying to justify the consumption of meat. I've heard people come from an evolutionary standpoint and say that humans have evolved eating meat, and that we're natural omnivores. Yes, it is true that our bodies aren't fully herbivorous, but we are MUCH closer to being herbivores than carnivores based on things like the size of our intestines, our teeth (we actually have semi-canines, not actual canines), and in several other internal bodily features. I also think that the whole evolutionary argument for eating meat is a ridiculous one. You're basically saying that just because something has always been a certain way, that it is best for the world that it stay that way (which is completely irrational). Also, if evolution somehow makes it ok to eat meat even if it's not necessary, then is cannibalism ok? When cannibalism is brought up, all of a sudden they're saying it's murder, and that makes absolutely no sense and is completely ridiculous. I don't even understand why it ******** matters what we've eaten in the past, what does matter is the current state of the human body regarding a meatless diet. Also about the fact that humans have eaten meat since the beginning of time, I honestly couldn't care less, because here's the deal, it is easy to be healthy as a vegetarian. The requirements that are stated for the needed amount of protein are completely exaggerated, and through eating things like cheese, nuts, eggs, beans, and drinking milk, a human can easily get the necessary protein needed for growth and still have plenty left over. This could even be done without the consumption of dairy, though then it is more difficult. Iron isn't really a problem at all either. As a vegetarian whenever I sit down to eat I'm not thinking, "Ok, I need to eat this to get a balanced diet and be healthy." Here's how my eating goes, I go downstairs, grab a random thing that looks good that isn't meat, and I eat it. It’s as simple as that. I'm not even really trying to eat healthy, when you're a vegetarian it just happens. Basically the point I'm trying to get across is that as a vegetarian it's not like you're going to be living your life being inconvenienced by placing restrictions on your diet, because honestly my only dietary guideline is that it stays meatless, and I can pretty much just eat liberally. How do I know that I'm healthy? Because I've just recently paid a visit to the doctor due to the fact that I was curious and because I hadn't had an appointment since I'd become a vegetarian. I was perfectly fine, protein is normal, and so is my hemoglobin (affected by the amount of iron in your blood). If I hadn't told him so, he would have never known that I'm a vegetarian. When you are eating meat, all that is being accomplished is sacrificing the life of another living thing, so that you can damage your own health(with the exception of fish, and sometimes chicken, though chicken does have a few setbacks as well). If you say things to yourself like "who cares if it dies, it's a cow", well thanks for stating the obvious smart one, you figure that out on your own? So that brings up a new question, how the hell does what something is have any effect on their right to live? They might as a result of their own selfish denial may again repeat the words, "It's just a cow." If anyone can tell me how that is a rational train of thought, be my guest, I'll be surprised if I have any takers. The only way to describe why the life of an animal is thought of as any less valuable than the life of a human is this, They've allowed themself be ******** brainwashed. Ha ha, now here's some arguments that I find to be just plain humorous. The most ridiculous out of the two is an argument stating that because we are eating vegetables and fruit that it's ok to eat meat, as if they are trying to say that simply what life is in general is equal for both plants and animals, and as if plants and animals are capable of having the same life experiences and emotions. Again, this brings up my argument of, "If you really believe that, then you must think cannibalism is ok, if you didn't then that would make you a hypocrite." At that point if their justification was the argument of evolution that I addressed earlier, they would be unable to use it due to their contradictions, and all that would be left would be for them show off their no doubt staggering intelligence by letting you know that they know the name of the animal commonly seen on dairy farms. The other argument that is slightly less ridiculous than the one I've just discussed is the argument that states that because animals eat meat, that it is ok for humans to also consume it, as if to say that carnivorous animals have any other choice but to hunt in order to ensure their own survival. It is true that animals do eat meat, but ask yourself this. How many animals that are naturally carnivorous or omnivorous have members within that same species that have chosen to be a vegetarian? You won't find one. Animals don't have the will. Though I do believe in animal-human equality, it's ridiculous not to acknowledge that humans are much more intelligent than animals are. Also, unlike humans, many animals can't survive without meat simply because their bodies are built in a way where meat is necessary. This argument is completely ridiculous, and also often hypocritical for people like my brother that also state that humans have an innate superiority over animals, and that humans and animals can not be even compared on the same level, but will then bring up the, "What if an animal eats another animal?" argument, which then the only way for them to rationalize that would be to state that animals are capable of having a similar and equally intelligent thought process as humans, which he had just stated that humans are superior to animals and also uses as an argument when I’m discussing animals rights that I’m applying human principles to animals, which is exactly what he was doing in his previous argument. Another argument that I have heard is that, "God put animals here for human consumption." Well, one, this is another one of my "I don't care" issues. I'm no ******** christian, and honestly believe it is complete bullshit. It pisses me off that parts of the religion are basically being a wall keeping this world from becoming a better place. Anyway, this is about animal rights, not religion. I'll probably have a separate ranting on my profile soon about the topic.
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:13 pm
Heres my little rant...
My school offers Veggie burgers as an alternative every now and then. They list it on the menus and everything right? Well... Quite often when I go and order this veggie burger that is clearly listed on the chalkboard they tell me "Oh, we forgot to put it in." This kind of ruins my day. Makes me realize how unfair everything can be.
I'm sure if they forgot to prepare the meaty hamburgers quite afew students would be outraged! But it seems that veggie burgers are no big deal to forget.
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:44 pm
Veggie burgers last quite a while, are frozen, and take little time to cook. I don't see why so many restaurants refuse to offer them. =/ In Sweden, the fast food restaurants even offer veggie burgers, but not here.
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:51 am
I can easily replace every instance of "vegetarian" with "vegan" and "dairy/eggs" with "beans/whole grains". What's your excuse? You never responded when you sent me your "why I'm not vegan" explanation and I debunked your objections.
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:27 am
v e g a n l i c i o u s Veggie burgers last quite a while, are frozen, and take little time to cook. I don't see why so many restaurants refuse to offer them. =/ In Sweden, the fast food restaurants even offer veggie burgers, but not here.
They do offer them here, in America( @ Subway & Burger King). The problem usually is, that not as many people demand them. Actually, at Subway lots of people get them, but at Burger King no one really orders them. I used those 2 as an example because they're basically the only fast food places(that I'm aware of) that have veggie burgers on the menu.
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:56 pm
Burger King's veggie burgers aren't vegan; they contain egg whites.
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